Carlo's Replacement

[mad_mac]

Ok, I know this is being premature, but with us out of the CL and the Premiership challenge now down to a whimper, I fear that the writing is on the wall for Carlo. Unfairly, I feell but at the same time I don't think he's done much to install confidence in the support (or us on these boards) to say that he's the man to take us forward.

One of the things I am worried about, should he be with us again next season, is that he seems to be prone to relying on senior players. I fear that if we were to give Carlo a ton of money in the summer, then he'd use that money to buy more Pirlo, Balack, Deco type players and not looking to rebuild the squad.

However, having said that, I also fear that if he were given money and he did spend it on younger players with a view to the future, then I am not sure the board would stand by and watch us rebild for 2 or 3 seasons, which could be needed!

I also think his reliance on senior players would see s continue with players like Ballack, and I hate to say it, Lampard. I want Lampard to stay at the club, but I'd like to see him move more into a role similar to Gigg's at Man U.

I don't think Lampard has the engine anymore to offer what he did with us for three amazing seasons, and we need to be realistic heading forward.

So, if we were to invest in the future, give that manager full financial and crowd support, who would that person be? Would we even take a gamble on a young manager like Petrescu? Unfortunately the "NOW" mentality that surrounds our club means that we may fall victim to our own success. But finishing 3rd or 4th with outside shots at FA Cup glory is not really in keeping with the Clubs Board's vision.

My main concern in all this, is if we are goinig to act then we need to act immediately. Get the manager for next season in place, and give them the whole summer to build a squad in their vision. I don't think Carlo is playing with any of his own players so that is a hinderance to him, I am sure.

So, do we go for another big name, sign in a ton of players at massive cost to teh club and our Youth set up, or do we look to the future and build; patiently?

I know what I'd prefer, but I'm not sure it's what the club would allow.

Thanks

Scott

[Ruh Buh Juh]

Yes, Carlo's made some mistakes, but he's always going to be compared to Mourinho, which doesn't exactly leave anyone much room for error. No manager will ever be as successful as Jose was. Never again. Meaning, we need to rebuild. I have confidence in Carlo, I think that given maybe a season or two, he can turn us into world beaters. Let's face it, this isn't his team. I'm sure this summer he will go about making his squad, but chances are, no one will ever give him a chance. If he goes at the end of the season, we'll forever be searching for a Mourinho, but we'll never find one.

Let's face it, Chelsea is one big circus. We need STABILITY, and we're not going to get it with fans calling for his head. What's the point saying this when we're so close to the end of the season? If you started this after the last ball's been kicked, then it's understandable, but he doesn't want his fans breathing down his neck at such a crucial time in the season.

We might come away with 2 trophies at the end of this season. We might come away with nothing. But that's football.

[bjd]

I dont think Carlo isnt going to be sacked, he should be for that sub today in the 91 min alone - but he wont be.

He has to be given a season and time to work in and mould his own players. Clearly he doesn't seem impressed with the reserves or youth because we still have the same old under performing players out there week in week out and he trusts them over the youngsters. He has to be allowed to bring in a few of his own players.

Its catch 22. If we do sack him we will truly become a joke club, the ultimate circus. And if we keep him ? Im scared....

I havent got a lot of confidence in him but he at least deserves a crack at shaping his own team, whether or not he will get it who knows.

[german-blue]

I have the same concern to be honest. I dont think Carlo would seriously rebuild the squad in summer. But didnt we knew we have a old squad when we signed Carlo? Its hardly surprising that we find ourselves in that position now.

[loz]

We ran something like this when Scolari was on his last legs) 130 people voted. Only one person voted for Ancelotti. However just as it sounds like they should have listened to us I should point out that the highest number of votes went to Zola with 30!

We ran it again when he accepted Hiddink wouldn't have his mind changed. 110 voted, Carlo got 3 votes (Bilic got 11!!)

[Mod]

Have you got that link handy loz, would be interesting.

[loz]

To replace Scolari

http://www.theshedend.com/index.php?showto...t=0&start=0

To replace Hiddink (this one not quite as revealing as Hiddink was an option!)

http://www.theshedend.com/index.php?showto...t=0&start=0

[Mod]

cheers

[c.bryce]

anyway let him stay. we need a more-than-6-month man...

[just]

Its catch 22. If we do sack him we will truly become a joke club, the ultimate circus. And if we keep him ? Im scared....

I havent got a lot of confidence in him but he at least deserves a crack at shaping his own team, whether or not he will get it who knows.

Exactly how I see it too.

Before Ancelotti arrived I can recall myself, you BJD, Bluebeard and, I also think, Star, were quick to voice doubts about Carlo's appointment. I also remember we were very, very much in the minority. My own doubts arose on two levels. One was his ability to communicate clearly and effectively to the players in english. Especially during matches. The second was his tactical nous, as I felt, having seen him in action for AC Milan, that he was a manger who was reactive in his game management style rather than proactive. Both of those doubts are still very much with me.

But as you say, if we do sack him we will become the ultimate joke. And maybe he may also get to stay because of what has gone before. By this I mean Roman may perhaps have become bored. Lost interest in financing his managerial revolving door policy. Aware finally, that the massive mistake he alone made in getting rid of Mourinho can never be recitifed, (and this week will certainly have hammered that thought home), and that it's useless to keep throwing money away looking for someone who can give us instant gratification. That instant "big trophy" success that Jose brought to the party.

So, for those reasons, I too, hope Ancelotti stays. But I hope even more that Roman hasn't lost interest entirely and is prepared to back his manager in the close season. But like you BJD, I'm scared. On both counts.

Edited March 21, 2010 by just

[mad_mac]

Good points Lads,

I think we all seem to be sharing the same doubts, and fears. Carlo may want to hang on to the old tried and tested players, he may not be tactical enough to be our leader to greatness. However, it is hard to fathom what he will do given his chance to build his own squad, assuming that he is given that option.

Also, I keep thinking back to January and him saying that the squad is good enough. I hope he doesn't seriously think that come the summer

Scott

[ziggazagga]

Ive never wanted CA at the club and ive said so all season long and been slaughtered for it................

8 Years at Milan and 1 title,this coming in the early days with a side and set up he inherited...............

Champions league my arse,any proper football man knows that titles is how you gage a manager,2 of his champs league finals were against the fat spanish waiter,enough said there...................

Keeping Wilkins on as a coach,if hed done his home work hed of brought in Wisey,Petrescue,robbie or tried to get clarkey back,its rumoured that Ch

elsea ladies even knocked butch back as coach.......

Dont forget this is the man who sold Zola to us because he didnt rate him..........DOH

Ive no problem finishing 2nd 3rd 4th....... as long as the manager dosent take us for mugs and he gets 100% out of the players available to him.......

If he gets another year it will be a disaster,none of the scousers rivals want Rafa sacked and the same will apply here............

I tip my cap to mad mac for bringing up the topic

[loz]

Just

To be honest the vast majority of people weren't keen on his appointment. Here are a few relevant threads from the archives

http://www.theshedend.com/index.php?showto...mp;hl=ancelotti

http://www.theshedend.com/index.php?showto...mp;hl=ancelotti

http://www.theshedend.com/index.php?showtopic=10513&st=0

I honesntly don't know what I want to happen this summer. If we sack yet another manager after such a short time we will continue to be a laughing stock yet my gut feel is that Carlo is not the right man for the job in the long run so we should cut losses sooner rather than later.

I do accept the point that we need some stability and we need to give a manager a decent amount of time to stamp their mark on the club, sign the players they want and get the team playing their way however I also worry that if you have the wrong man at the helm then all that patience stuff is going to bite you harder.

[VG]

One of the things I am worried about, should he be with us again next season, is that he seems to be prone to relying on senior players. I fear that if we were to give Carlo a ton of money in the summer, then he'd use that money to buy more Pirlo, Balack, Deco type players and not looking to rebuild the squad.

However, having said that, I also fear that if he were given money and he did spend it on younger players with a view to the future, then I am not sure the board would stand by and watch us rebild for 2 or 3 seasons, which could be needed!

I also think his reliance on senior players would see s continue with players like Ballack, and I hate to say it, Lampard. I want Lampard to stay at the club, but I'd like to see him move more into a role similar to Gigg's at Man U.

Exactly my fears--I won't have much confidence if he brings in more aging players. I was particularly worried in the summer when we were linked with Pirlo.After this season, it wouldn't be a sign of his understanding the needs in English football if he pursues the same. Claudio and Jose did (even if they brought in some unhelpful players as well).

Does anyone know whether he had the full responsibility for signing players at AC Milan? I would think senior management now has to understand the perils of relying on older players. Perhaps the Joe and Anelka contract drag-outs are indicative of that.

And to be terribly gloomy, if things go as now expected, perhaps Carlo can blood some of the younger players in the last couple matches of the season. When we have nothing left to play for.

[loz]

At AC Milan he was largely a coach. Berlusconi had a very strong hold over transfers.

[Mikstaw]

Just

To be honest the vast majority of people weren't keen on his appointment. Here are a few relevant threads from the archives

http://www.theshedend.com/index.php?showto...mp;hl=ancelotti

http://www.theshedend.com/index.php?showto...mp;hl=ancelotti

http://www.theshedend.com/index.php?showtopic=10513&st=0

I honesntly don't know what I want to happen this summer. If we sack yet another manager after such a short time we will continue to be a laughing stock yet my gut feel is that Carlo is not the right man for the job in the long run so we should cut losses sooner rather than later.

I do accept the point that we need some stability and we need to give a manager a decent amount of time to stamp their mark on the club, sign the players they want and get the team playing their way however I also worry that if you have the wrong man at the helm then all that patience stuff is going to bite you harder.

This summer? I think enough good transfers and reconstruction team. Changing the formationand we can fight!

[The Moos]

Give him a full season. No point sacking him now when we're more or less already screwed.

But I do think we need a new manager after this season. Carlo just can't seem to get the players going.

Perhaps someone fresh and young? Someone who hasn't won many titles and therefore really yearns to do so.

I know that sacking yet another manager will make us look a bit like a circus (we already do). But first of all, why should we care? Everyone seems to hate us anyway so who gives a f*ck?

Secondly, what is more important: That we appear to stick with our manager or that we get someone who can turn us into a winning team again?

I don't like it that we keep sacking managers (though neither Grant nor Hiddink were really sacked, were they?), but if that is what it takes for us to find that perfect match then so be it.

Too bad we can't get Hiddink back though.

[loz]

Grant was sacked. He got a tidy pay off.

[Chippy]

who is available that.

Is not too old.

has not go his main experience at International level.

speaks english clearly.

has not got his experience in a country with a poorer standard of football.

Is not the owners mate.

has got a good CV ie won things in europe and wherever he has managed.

Shouts a lot and moves about on the touchline.

can do with an ageing squad and no signings what the five managers before him couldn't do.

has the guts to come to a club that has become a joke in expecting managers to deliver better than the man before with the same players and giving them less than a season to do it.

can control the stars at the club and their egos.

is willing to risk his reputation knowing its possible he will have to play with players either picked by the owner or left to him from the days when they were truely good players.

I would love to believe this forum doesn't echo the thoughts of most Chelsea fans but the sad thing is it does..I hope Roman this time stands by the man in charge and backs him for next season to find out if he got it right last time as all he has proved so far is that he can do pretty much the same as the four before him with what he has to choosse from.

[Scott]

This was my post from Feb 2009:

The name doesn't matter so much to me BUT they must have one of three qualifications:

1. Be British

or

2. Must have managed (successfully) in England.

or

3. Be called "The Special One".

Hughes

Moyes

Zola

Clarkey

Rudy

Wouldn't mind any one of those.

But it's always going to be a big name foreign manager as long as the Czar is around.

[Mikstaw]

We should not sacking Carlo now. Give him a full season, and later we'll see.

[loz]

Chippy

Sven ticks the majority of boxes on your list so given that I have found somone are you now going to change your tune?

[bcarroll]

if the worst comes to the worst and carlo gets the chop who would people like to see brought in aside from guus!

[barak81]

Carlo's record is really not thaty great at milan, Im being a bit of a broken record but one league title in 8 years with the quality all the way through the team that he had showes a guy that can't close out a league, Very good at the one of game but cant get the consistency going.

You know, we all laugh at arsenal not winning anything for 5 years but honestly, If a maager turned round and said I'm going to throw the kids in, dont expect more than a top 4 finish and a cup run for the first couple of years but I believe these kids will come good in 2/3 years. You know, I would take that. not the "building" of buying 30 mill players and then saying we are still building. bollox to that. We seem to be stuck in no man's land.

To be honest out side of Guss and Jose I can't think of any one that will come in and make the grade straight away, any managers best bet now is to come in, have a clear out and start from the ground up.

[barak81]

PS - I'm right in thinking no one is saying sack Carlo now, more the assumption that we are going to come up well short at the end this season and Roman with chop