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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2012/jan/06/new-xbox-playstation-consoles-e3-2012

The next generation Xbox and PlayStation consoles will be unveiled at this year's E3 exhibition in June, industry news source MCV has reported.

I always say I'm not going to buy the new Playstation because they're massively overpriced, but I usually crumble and buy the bloody thing anyway.

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Gave up on PC gaming many years ago simply because of the expense, and got sick of having to upgrade ram, CPU, Graphics card etc every time a new top end game came out. Even though it is the best platform for gaming.

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PC Gaming is only really expensive if you look at the PC as a whole as being for gaming rather than the PC being for general usage with the graphics card, and the increased cost of some components which need a slightly better spec for gaming, being what you're paying for gaming.If you look at it that way, PC gaming will cost you £200-250 per generation.

Here's the current rumours of the 'next gen':

PS4 will be the most powerful and will use more 'normal' hardware compared to the PS3 and it's cell. PS3 was supposed to be the most powerful this gen but some technical hitches mean that cross platform stuff usually looks worse on the console.

720: Rumours that MS will show off a tablet that works with it at CES next week but I suspect that's just journalists hyping Windows tablets. Only thing known about the console itself is that it's going to use Windows 8 and it'll have have the funky 'Metro' interface. Rumours of a 2nd Generation Kinect which can spot more fine movement.

Wii U: Nintendo know their E3 showing last year, where they failed to even make it clear it was an actual new console, not just a Wii controller, was a total disaster. Console will be re-unveiled with slightly higher specs so it should sit in between the current gen and next gen in terms of performance.

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The xbox 360 with better graphics, smoother running, and less heat would do me fine.

Last point won't happen sadly. Cutting down on heat with cutting edge tech usually means lowering the power or making it more expensive. I'd be suprised if they haven't learnt from the Red Ring of Death though.

Been a few 720 rumours in the last few days, latest rumour suggests the CPU will be a more modern version of the chip in 360 and it using the latest graphics card tech from ATI (7xxx series). If they were to use the top of the line graphics chip that's just been released, it'd be 10-15 times as powerful as the 360.

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Last point won't happen sadly. Cutting down on heat with cutting edge tech usually means lowering the power or making it more expensive. I'd be suprised if they haven't learnt from the Red Ring of Death though.

Been a few 720 rumours in the last few days, latest rumour suggests the CPU will be a more modern version of the chip in 360 and it using the latest graphics card tech from ATI (7xxx series). If they were to use the top of the line graphics chip that's just been released, it'd be 10-15 times as powerful as the 360.

True but I can dream ha!

The new graphics card you're talking about is that the one there's a video on youtube of it where they show you some grass and a rock (I think from memory). They look almost identical to the real thing? We might be talking about different things but that would be immense inside the 360/720. I'm sure they said they were selling it to Microsoft aswell, Could be talking bollox though.

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I have both, the PS3 blows away the 360. The Xbox is now used as a prop to hold open the bedroom door during the summer.

Only people who don`t know how to use it properly say things like that.

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Last point won't happen sadly. Cutting down on heat with cutting edge tech usually means lowering the power or making it more expensive. I'd be suprised if they haven't learnt from the Red Ring of Death though.

Well, with the new die shrinkages of the Sandy Bridge CPUs, it shouldn't be too much to expect it to be cooler. Isn't the Intel Ivy Bridge range going to be using a 22nm tri-gate transistor? That's only going to be out in April as well. One assumes that it wouldn't be too far off to expect it or at least the technology behind it to be used in a next gen console. So it probably will be cooler and more power efficient.

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Doom 4 is probably going to be announced soon. No doubt that'll need a new graphics card...

Well, with the new die shrinkages of the Sandy Bridge CPUs, it shouldn't be too much to expect it to be cooler. Isn't the Intel Ivy Bridge range going to be using a 22nm tri-gate transistor? That's only going to be out in April as well. One assumes that it wouldn't be too far off to expect it or at least the technology behind it to be used in a next gen console. So it probably will be cooler and more power efficient.

Generally consoles are a fair bit behind when it comes to die shrinkage (3DS for example uses 45nm, the Wii U is expected to use the same). Guessing this is because they're custom chips that need dedicated production lines that take time to tool up and also that because they need millions made up quickly, they can't afford the high failure rates of a new, smaller process.

More console rumours floating around:

720 will be using a 66xx series graphics card (year old tech that's used in entry level gaming systems) and will feature anti-used game tech. That's a fair bit weaker than was rumoured before

Wii U will either be slightly more powerful than the 360 or 20% less powerful than the 720 (depending on which sites you believe)

PS4 still widely thought to be the most powerful console.

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The xbox 360 with better graphics, smoother running, and less heat would do me fine.

I can't really offer anything about the better graphics, but the Xbox 360 S (Slim) does run smoother and generates less heat. It also draws less power since it's on the 45nm architecture. My son has the "Jasper" (the latest of the old models that's not susceptible to the dreaded RROD) and I have the S. Mine is much quieter and doesn't nearly spew the heat that his does.

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Well not as brutal, Intel is though however miles ahead at the moment! ATi v nVidia just a preference but nVidia seems to be favoured a lot.

PC is pretty expensive but if you upgrade every 3 years or so its not that much of a harm to your wallet!

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You're obviously not picking the right hardware. I bought my computer and graphics card about 2 years ago, and haven't had to upgrade anything yet, and can still play the latest top of the range games. Admittedly this may change in the coming years, but consoles themselves only last about 3-4 years before being replaced anyway, and it's cheaper to upgrade a couple of components of a PC, than to buy a whole new console and their ridiculously overpriced controllers and cables and sh*te.

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You're obviously not picking the right hardware. I bought my computer and graphics card about 2 years ago, and haven't had to upgrade anything yet, and can still play the latest top of the range games. Admittedly this may change in the coming years, but consoles themselves only last about 3-4 years before being replaced anyway, and it's cheaper to upgrade a couple of components of a PC, than to buy a whole new console and their ridiculously overpriced controllers and cables and sh*te.

The controllers and cables and sh*te that you get with dont need changing so I`m not sure what your on about. I bought my current Xbox for £200 with 3 free games, its lasted me nearly 5 years now and will go another year or so at least in all probability. If you had tried to keep up with the games needing ninja hardware to run on a PC I guarantee you would have had to spend somewhere near a grand at least. Its why I gave up PC gaming, got sick of having to upgrade every time a top spec game came out.

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The controllers and cables and sh*te that you get with dont need changing so I`m not sure what your on about. I bought my current Xbox for £200 with 3 free games, its lasted me nearly 5 years now and will go another year or so at least in all probability. If you had tried to keep up with the games needing ninja hardware to run on a PC I guarantee you would have had to spend somewhere near a grand at least. Its why I gave up PC gaming, got sick of having to upgrade every time a top spec game came out.

You're lucky actually with the Xbox. A five year old Xbox is not the Jasper (last of the old-style, 65nm architecture) or Valhalla (Slim 45nm architecture) models and is susceptible to the RROD.

Knock on wood. :smile:

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