'The special one' has turned into 'the sceptical one'

yeah i said something similar in the 'jose mourinho' thread

 

people are having a go at cesc, but while his form may have dropped a little hes still contributing to our attacks. i see him time and time again release an attacker wide with bags of space ahead. if that attacker isnt hazard then it will come to nothing

if hazard needs to release the ball, it will come to nothing as well

 

the 3 brazilians (even 4, with costa) are shocking at linking up play

 

 

bs.

Not a melt down mate, just replying to Scott as to how he would have us line up if we left Willian, Ramires and OScar out for a game or two.

soz came across like u wanted an entire new attacking mid lol

soz came across like u wanted an entire new attacking mid lol

No worries, lot of frayed nerves here. Just wondered how Scott would have us line up. 

 

My ideal is the lads we pick start playing a lot better than they did tonight lol.

 

Though, as I should get to watch the Southampton game, I would kind of like to see our latest signing start the game wide right so I can gather my own impression of him.

 

I'm very very disappointed still and this post will sound incredibly harsh but after tonight i think it needs to be said.

 

I just can't believe how often we are getting the basics wrong at the moment. We are really grinding things out right now and we have to start putting in some good performances because it's only a matter of time before we drop crucial points in the league.

 

For me, the attacking play breaking up as often as it is is down to Willian, Ramires and Oscar. The 3 Brazilians quite simply are playing absolute sh*t on a consistent basis.

 

Nearly every counter attack, or even a regular attack, the same thing happens. Matic or one of the defenders will break up play, they will play the ball to Fabregas then Fabregas will get the attack really going with a good a pass. If he then passes to Hazard, he will do his stuff and play a decent pass to Willian, Ramires or Oscar. This is when it all goes wrong. If it goes to Willian, he will run on the right hand side with the ball, completely stop, pretend that he is going to take the full back on and then play it back 5 yards, or he will just play a poor pass, attack over. If it goes to Ramires, he will either over run it with an awful touch or play an awful pass foward that goes to the opposition, another attack wasted. If it goes to Oscar, he will do well at first, but then as he approaches the goal he will completely mess up his touch or he get's the pass wrong and the opposition win the ball back, and another attack goes to waste. They also rarely have a shot at goal either, the defenders shoot more than these 3 do.

 

It's just the same thing happening time and time again. Basically, if Fabregas or Hazard ends up giving it to one of the 3 Brazilian midfielders when we are looking for the final piece of play, the attack more often than not completely breaks down. These 3 for me are the main reason our goals have dried up lately and why we lose the ball so much in midfield. It may seem harsh to blame it on those 3 but we are seeing them give the ball away time and time again. Oscar has his moments, but it's always in the early stages of the season, and from then on we get the odd decent performance now and again. The other 2 though are quite simply not good enough, they never have been. Willian has been offering very little going forward every since he joined us and Ramires seems to have lost anything that was ever good about him since his injury.

 

Tonight, it was worse than ever from all 3 of them. All 3 of them did nothing right throughout the entire game and i personally think that enough is enough now and we need an upgrade on all 3 of them if we are ever going to challenge for the Champions League again. We will never compete with the very top sides if these 3 are going to keep playing like this.

 

Compared to Hazard I agree Willian and Oscar look below par but if you look at their stats they have done a good job for us this season. Both are young lads competing in the best league in the world for a club challenging for the title. 

 

With respect, I think you would find it difficult to replace both these lads with the same quality and remain within financial fair play regulations. 

Compared to Hazard I agree Willian and Oscar look below par but if you look at their stats they have done a good job for us this season. Both are young lads competing in the best league in the world for a club challenging for the title.

With respect, I think you would find it difficult to replace both these lads with the same quality and remain within financial fair play regulations.

Willian ain't that young

We played like a bunch of wimps.

 

Do we have the desire to be consistently the best or do we settle for winning the odd cup here and there.

 

Our performances of late are a bit of a hit or miss. Some of our wins are lucky scrapes, if you ask me, so this game, we played a one goal lead as though we were up by 2 or 3.

 

Two free attempts from the same set piece. Unbelievable!

With respect, I think you would find it difficult to replace both these lads with the same quality and remain within financial fair play regulations. 

 

 

f**k it, throw boga into the fire

waste of £52...we pass back and forth and forth and back till we lose posession, no one has the balls to shoot...it's like they are scared to miss.. oh well at least we can concentrate on the title...

The amount of times we were yelling shoot, especially in the second half was silly. But who can actually shoot from distance in this side?

 

Willian ain't that young

 

Compared to me he is :)

Ok fair play Willian is 26, who would be a good replacement for Willian?

As a point of discussion it would be interesting to hear peoples opinions...

Edited March 12, 201511 yr by VinnyGee

Willian ain't that young

Nor is he good statistically.

In fact he's pretty poor in that regard. Tidy player but very rarely does anything with the ball.

No worries, lot of frayed nerves here. Just wondered how Scott would have us line up. 

 

My ideal is the lads we pick start playing a lot better than they did tonight lol.

 

Though, as I should get to watch the Southampton game, I would kind of like to see our latest signing start the game wide right so I can gather my own impression of him.

im just laughing and cringing at all the kneejerk tripe when were still on for a double, perspective people!

 

 

 

Compared to Hazard I agree Willian and Oscar look below par but if you look at their stats they have done a good job for us this season. Both are young lads competing in the best league in the world for a club challenging for the title. 

 

With respect, I think you would find it difficult to replace both these lads with the same quality and remain within financial fair play regulations. 

 

wow a calm intelligent post! hallelujah! 

 

 

 

Compared to Hazard I agree Willian and Oscar look below par but if you look at their stats they have done a good job for us this season. Both are young lads competing in the best league in the world for a club challenging for the title. 

 

With respect, I think you would find it difficult to replace both these lads with the same quality and remain within financial fair play regulations. 

 

thre's lies, dam lies,and statistics, oscar, willian, and ramieres, fabregas are just too inconsistent and thats what makes great players, great! consistency. jt, messi, ronaldo, lampard, drogba,zidane etc all gave consistent performances, they may have the odd bad game but never go missing. watch more games rely less on stats.

Nor is he good statistically.

In fact he's pretty poor in that regard. Tidy player but very rarely does anything with the ball.

u mean score.

 

thats the main reason people always moan about willian.

 

hes not messi ffs! 

 

just needs a few goals but his general play is top top draw

thre's lies, dam lies,and statistics, oscar, willian, and ramieres, fabregas are just too inconsistent and thats what makes great players, great! consistency. jt, messi, ronaldo, lampard, drogba,zidane etc all gave consistent performances, they may have the odd bad game but never go missing. watch more games rely less on stats.

 

 

yeah who said oscar or willian were the next ukin ronaldo or messi? jjjeesssussss

u mean score.

thats the main reason people always moan about willian.

hes not messi ffs!

just needs a few goals but his general play is top top draw

His general play is poor

He can't beat a man for goodness sake, as an attacking midfielder he's fairly ineffective

thre's lies, dam lies,and statistics, oscar, willian, and ramieres, fabregas are just too inconsistent and thats what makes great players, great! consistency. jt, messi, ronaldo, lampard, drogba,zidane etc all gave consistent performances, they may have the odd bad game but never go missing. watch more games rely less on stats.

Fabregas is inconsistent? 86% pass completion rate, 15 assists and 2 goals in the premier league in his first Chelsea season?

 general concensus on what the team should be according to last couple pages:

 

 

              messi

 

 

messi    messi   messi  messi

 

 

ronaldo   ronaldo zidane messi

 

           pele    zico 

 

 

bench:

 

u guessed it, messi ronni, messi

 

 

lolz

His general play is poor

He can't beat a man for goodness sake, as an attacking midfielder he's fairly ineffective

 

 

bulllukinshizer

Just home from the game. Thought we lacked urgency and passion. Have to say PSG wanted it more. After the game me and two of the guys I go to the games with went to the pub and all three of us were thoroughly depressed. We've been following the team for more years than we care to remember and agreed that there is too much reliance on Hazard. He can't do it all. We also agreed that if the team plays to their best and shows commitment and get stuck in you can accept defeat if you understand what I mean but if the players don't perform defeat is even worse. Not even a whisky will help.

Just home from the game. Thought we lacked urgency and passion. Have to say PSG wanted it more. After the game me and two of the guys I go to the games with went to the pub and all three of us were thoroughly depressed. We've been following the team for more years than we care to remember and agreed that there is too much reliance on Hazard. He can't do it all. We also agreed that if the team plays to their best and shows commitment and get stuck in you can accept defeat if you understand what I mean but if the players don't perform defeat is even worse. Not even a whisky will help.

Mate can't be worse than the 2008 champions league final. This sh*t happens...didnt work out for us today but we have lots to look forward to.

Just home from the game. Thought we lacked urgency and passion. Have to say PSG wanted it more. After the game me and two of the guys I go to the games with went to the pub and all three of us were thoroughly depressed. We've been following the team for more years than we care to remember and agreed that there is too much reliance on Hazard. He can't do it all. We also agreed that if the team plays to their best and shows commitment and get stuck in you can accept defeat if you understand what I mean but if the players don't perform defeat is even worse. Not even a whisky will help.

 

two words of wisdom me old mucker:

 

The double.

u mean score.

thats the main reason people always moan about willian.

hes not messi ffs!

just needs a few goals but his general play is top top draw

No I mean score, force a save, make an incisive pass, make a good off the ball run to create space for another, get an assist, make a pass that leads to an assist....

That type of stuff.

I'm not asking him to be Messi. I'm asking him to draw some attention away from Hazard and contribute as an attacking presence.

two words of wisdom me old mucker:

 

The double.

 

 

Positive vibes...lets not become fickle like those Arsenal "supporters"

Edited March 12, 201511 yr by VinnyGee