TheAwesomeGem Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) This pivotal formation really isn't working anymore. We got a lazy Farbegas who doesn't give a crap if someone goes through him, let alone marking him and then we got Matic having to fill both the role of Fabregas and his which is making him frustrated and allowing mistakes to occur. We need to go back to 4-3-3 and just experiment with it. I mean, what could possibly get any worse than just trying out new things? Our starting line up then could look something like this Tactical Changes: ----------------------------- *The gap between defense and midfield needs to be closed by making the defensive line more higher. Allowing more pressing to occur on the middle and more defensive support. *Offside trap. Will be required since the defensive line is more higher. Terry can organize the line. *More midfield pressure. We lack midfield pressure and close downs which allows players to easily penetrate the middle. We need ball winning midfielders like Matic, Rami and Loftus-Cheek there so we can stop attack on our defense and start a counter attack. *More Incisive Counter-Attacks. Whenever we get the ball, we are so slow and keep passing sideways and trying to play Tiki Taka. Well it's not working anymore. We need to play more direct and higher the tempo especially when we need a goal. We need to control the match's tempo. *Stop the unnecessary lofted passes. Since Fabregas was the only player who knew how to have the perfect over the top through passes and he is in shambolic form, we need to stop doing it and play more ground through passes cutting the defense. *Early crossing. We keep passing the ball on the side and eventually crossing in the most predictable way. We need to surprise their defense with an early cross and allow more errors happening from their side. Costa(with more support on left and right, he doesn't have to go on the sides often to get the ball) Hazard(has been known to be deadly in the wing and he can just stick there and cut inside and create a havoc) Pedro(known to be playing in 4-3-3 in Barca and is the most effective because he can sometimes run behind the defense) Ruben Loftus-Cheek(A good solid young central midfielder with a great potential. He is a calm collected player that we need and can run forward and have a shot. Resembles of Lampard's playing style that we badly needed) Matic(If he sticks with his role, he will be less prone of making mistakes. He was the most underrated defensive central midfielder and is ball winning and strength is what we need on the most central of the midfield.) Ramires(He is an incisive runner and with his burst of pace can allow more spaces for Costa, Hazard and Pedro to get behind and score. He is fast that means he can quickly track back and he has the fighting spirit). Cesar Azpilicueta(He has been our most best consistent performer. Has the pace to get forward and track back and is the best 1-1 fullback in the premier league) Terry(We need our leadership from our captain. Although a bit slow but hopefully get a bit more covering from Matic. If we get the space between Midfield and Defense more closed, it will be easier for a player like him. He is going to organize the defense). Cahill(He is more of a fast paced defender who if attacker get's behind him in a through ball really need to quickly get back the ball and deal with the fast paced attackers and cover Terry if needed. He can also be the ball playing defender but it's situational based). Baba Rahman(A pacey fullback like Cesar and is known for his tackle. He had a nice game against Walsall and he is that player we really need to replace the old sluggish Ivanovic. He really wants to prove himself so why not give him a chance). Thibaut Courtois(A great young goal keeper and has proven to be one of the best goalkeeper in the world. His heights helps him to dive into saves and his quick reaction saves is something we really would need at times). Begovic(Although the team's performance is lackluster, his performance has always been good. He saved us from so many goals and is the best second goalkeeper we had for a long time apart from Cech) Oscar(Trackbacks a lot and is good defensively. He seemed to lost his vision at times and often goes sideways but if he has supports and players making runs, he can have a nice through pass. Also, his wonderful goals is something we might need at times when nothing is working). Willian(Good at tracking ball and is really pacey. His work rate is excellent but his 1-1 dribbling is like an average winger. He really needs to be more incisive rather than go sideways and we will need his free kick magic if nothing works). Kenedy(He badly wants to prove himself and he is pretty good when it comes to 1-1 dribbling. Although he lacks experience and his decision-making is not quite up there yet, he has the fight on him that can drive the team forward. He is also pretty good at crossing the ball and maybe should be able to find Costa to head it in). Zouma(Pacey and strong defender with the best tackling ability. He might lack experience and isn't there yet with his decision-making, he has a great potential to become a great Chelsea defender and really needs more match. He seems to be passionate and fight for the team. His pace can help Terry cope up with the through passes and runs so really looking forward to him). Edited October 4, 2015 by TheAwesomeGem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Socrates Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Yes. But with the following: Begovic Azpi Terry Cahill Zouma Matic Ramires Fabregas Willian Hazard Costa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChelseaBlues Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 This pivotal formation really isn't working anymore. We got a lazy Farbegas who doesn't give a crap if someone goes through him, let alone marking him and then we got Matic having to fill both the role of Fabregas and his which is making him frustrated and allowing mistakes to occur. We need to go back to 4-3-3 and just experiment with it. I mean, what could possibly get any worse than just trying out new things? Our starting line up then could look something like this Tactical Changes: ----------------------------- *The gap between defense and midfield needs to be closed by making the defensive line more higher. Allowing more pressing to occur on the middle and more defensive support. *Offside trap. Will be required since the defensive line is more higher. Terry can organize the line. *More midfield pressure. We lack midfield pressure and close downs which allows players to easily penetrate the middle. We need ball winning midfielders like Matic, Rami and Loftus-Cheek there so we can stop attack on our defense and start a counter attack. *More Incisive Counter-Attacks. Whenever we get the ball, we are so slow and keep passing sideways and trying to play Tiki Taka. Well it's not working anymore. We need to play more direct and higher the tempo especially when we need a goal. We need to control the match's tempo. *Stop the unnecessary lofted passes. Since Fabregas was the only player who knew how to have the perfect over the top through passes and he is in shambolic form, we need to stop doing it and play more ground through passes cutting the defense. *Early crossing. We keep passing the ball on the side and eventually crossing in the most predictable way. We need to surprise their defense with an early cross and allow more errors happening from their side. Costa(with more support on left and right, he doesn't have to go on the sides often to get the ball) Hazard(has been known to be deadly in the wing and he can just stick there and cut inside and create a havoc) Pedro(known to be playing in 4-3-3 in Barca and is the most effective because he can sometimes run behind the defense) Ruben Loftus-Cheek(A good solid young central midfielder with a great potential. He is a calm collected player that we need and can run forward and have a shot. Resembles of Lampard's playing style that we badly needed) Matic(If he sticks with his role, he will be less prone of making mistakes. He was the most underrated defensive central midfielder and is ball winning and strength is what we need on the most central of the midfield.) Ramires(He is an incisive runner and with his burst of pace can allow more spaces for Costa, Hazard and Pedro to get behind and score. He is fast that means he can quickly track back and he has the fighting spirit). Cesar Azpilicueta(He has been our most best consistent performer. Has the pace to get forward and track back and is the best 1-1 fullback in the premier league) Terry(We need our leadership from our captain. Although a bit slow but hopefully get a bit more covering from Matic. If we get the space between Midfield and Defense more closed, it will be easier for a player like him. He is going to organize the defense). Cahill(He is more of a fast paced defender who if attacker get's behind him in a through ball really need to quickly get back the ball and deal with the fast paced attackers and cover Terry if needed. He can also be the ball playing defender but it's situational based). Baba Rahman(A pacey fullback like Cesar and is known for his tackle. He had a nice game against Walsall and he is that player we really need to replace the old sluggish Ivanovic. He really wants to prove himself so why not give him a chance). Thibaut Courtois(A great young goal keeper and has proven to be one of the best goalkeeper in the world. His heights helps him to dive into saves and his quick reaction saves is something we really would need at times). Begovic(Although the team's performance is lackluster, his performance has always been good. He saved us from so many goals and is the best second goalkeeper we had for a long time apart from Cech) Oscar(Trackbacks a lot and is good defensively. He seemed to lost his vision at times and often goes sideways but if he has supports and players making runs, he can have a nice through pass. Also, his wonderful goals is something we might need at times when nothing is working). Willian(Good at tracking ball and is really pacey. His work rate is excellent but his 1-1 dribbling is like an average winger. He really needs to be more incisive rather than go sideways and we will need his free kick magic if nothing works). Kenedy(He badly wants to prove himself and he is pretty good when it comes to 1-1 dribbling. Although he lacks experience and his decision-making is not quite up there yet, he has the fight on him that can drive the team forward. He is also pretty good at crossing the ball and maybe should be able to find Costa to head it in). Zouma(Pacey and strong defender with the best tackling ability. He might lack experience and isn't there yet with his decision-making, he has a great potential to become a great Chelsea defender and really needs more match. He seems to be passionate and fight for the team. His pace can help Terry cope up with the through passes and runs so really looking forward to him). I stopped reading when you referred to Ramires and RLC as ball winning midfielders. We will also be beaten quite a bit if we employ a high line, ask AVB. Its a personnel problem, not a tactical problem. We essentially play a 4-3-3 anyway. 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GhostOfDembaPast Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 3-5-2 Begovic ------------ Cahill Terry Zouma ------------ Baba Matic RLC / insert other Willian (attack) /Azpi (defence) ---------- Hazard ---------- Remy / Oscar / Pedro Costa / Falcao 3 defenders 2 solid CM in front of them 2 energetic wingbacks Wingbacks can join attack along with second box-box type midfielder (RLC in this case) 2 out and out goal threats in box to keep defenders busy. Hazard free to drift. And Bob's your uncle! (I know, I should be a manager!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the special one Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChelseaBlues Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Tactical mastermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bola Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Does it really matter? can ya honestly say players stick to one formation in the whole 90 minutes? Static formation is only for video game, the shape of the team is always changing during the course of the game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverCarefree Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 When Oscar plays we pretty close to playing 4-3-3 anyway because of how he drops deep and interchanges with Fabregas. Personally I think we need more aggression and directness from the attacking players. Willian gets to the edge of the area, stops, drops a shoulder, does a step over and then passes it backwards to Ivanovic. Hazard isn't happy unless he can try and play a 1-2 with someone. Oscar and Fabregas like to play 3 yard passed to one another on the edge of the area. Basically I want to see us be direct, shift the ball into space and take a shot on the edge of the area. Look to beat your man and head towards goal, not the corner flag. When we're breaking on the counter for more than just the striker to get in the area. We need, 2, 3, 4 players getting in the box and giving us something to aim at rather than trying to continuously look to thread the ball through the eye of a needle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will12 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 4-1-4-1 defensively. 4-2-4 when attacking !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnIrishTrueBlue Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Im just gonna play football manager on my computer for a few days so I understand, give us some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunkeyGibbon Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Personally I think we need more aggression and directness from the attacking players. We don't have the personnel for that. You'd need players who favour a more direct attacking style like Mohamed Salah and Andre Schurllre. Oh hang on... [emoji57] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverCarefree Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 We don't have the personnel for that. You'd need players who favour a more direct attacking style like Mohamed Salah and Andre Schurllre. Oh hang on... The only thing direct about Salah was that his shots and cross went directly into the stands. Schurrle, despite at the time of signing for Wolfsburg being their most expensive player, is struggling to get minutes even now. For what it's worth I thought selling Schurrle was a bad move, if Jose had shown some faith and stuck by him I think his form would have recovered and I think we hindered ourselves by selling him and replacing him with Cuadrado. However, with the current squad I see no reason why the likes of Pedro, Oscar and Hazard aren't able to play more direct and be more willing to take on shots themselves and the occasional one from outside the box. It's all a bit Arsenal right now with wanting to try and walk it in and playing that one pass too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChelseaBlues Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 If we were passing like Arsenal we'd be scoring more. You cant always be direct and go through defenders. We're missing a bit of luck and the space to pass or run into that defenses leave when they are up against teams with width. Hazard should have 3 or 4 goals by now. Oscar and Pedro could have a couple more as well. Hypothetical but we arent suddenly running dry on goals because we're trying to walk the ball in the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAwesomeGem Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 It seems like this season, all the teams knows our tactics and formation way too well. We really need a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_mac Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'd also say that 4-3-3 offers Ivan a little more protection too, considering Jose will probably always play him regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAwesomeGem Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 I'd also say that 4-3-3 offers Ivan a little more protection too, considering Jose will probably always play him regardless He is injured so probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_mac Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 He is injured so probably not. Well, that just happened, so do you need me to add "when not injured, Jose will probably always play him?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAwesomeGem Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 Well, that just happened, so do you need me to add "when not injured, Jose will probably always play him?" Who knows? He will still probably play even if he is injured since it won't make any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinc Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Don't think it's largely a formation issue. It's more of the way we play and the players' decision-making. Would definitely help if they don't dilly-dally with the ball for far too long and to be more DIRECT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChelseaBlues Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Bit disappointed Big Sam has been taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiller86 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 The key reason to switch to 4-3-3 is that it arguably suits Fabregas better than any other formation. Gives him protection the same way it gave Lamps protection. I also think it brings the best out of Ramires. Let's him run from deep and also potentially lead the pressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PloKoon13 Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 As much as I love the 4-3-3 (mainly for nostalgic reasons), we'd effectively be sacrificing Oscar's place in the team in order to do it, as well as having a player consistently between the lines. I think the reason it worked so well the first time around is because we had a perfect fit for the third (and most advanced) midfielder in Lampard, whose particular skillset was absolutely ideal for what we needed the player in that position to do. Now we don't have that; the closest is Ramires and he has nowhere near the attacking instincts, goalscoring ability or the quality on the ball that Lampard had. If we mould Oscar to play it we'd be wasting his abilities as he has the technical skill and footballing intelligence to play further forward; in addition he can press more effectively from there. I would argue that even when we did have Frank in the team we were at our best in 2004/05 when we used Gudjohnsen in front of Maka/Lampard and behind Drogba. I think we should stick with the formation we've got as it allows us to play progressive football. If Fabregas ultimately can't hack it then it's too bad really, we can't mould our entire team around a player who is misfiring horribly; the formation was never a problem for him at the beginning of last season when he was arguably the best centre mid in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAwesomeGem Posted October 17, 2015 Author Share Posted October 17, 2015 Nice to see this formation brought us a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PloKoon13 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 We didn't really, we played a 4-2-3-1 in both halves, in the first with Loftus-Cheek in the hole, and then we moved Fabregas forward in the second (bringing on Ramires behind him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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