Edited June 10, 20206 yr by erskblue

9 hours ago, erskblue said:

 

My old school team mate has just scored the winning goal at Wembley.

David Hopkins for Palace in the 1997 Play Offs.

We, as kids in Scotland, dreamed of playing and scoring the winning goal at Wembley.

David Hopkins went and did it !

Strange, I'd have thought you would have dreamed of playing and scoring the winner at Hamden Park!

4 hours ago, saintquin said:

Strange, I'd have thought you would have dreamed of playing and scoring the winner at Hamden Park!

It wouldn’t have been a match of any magnitude if it was being played there... 

6 hours ago, saintquin said:

Strange, I'd have thought you would have dreamed of playing and scoring the winner at Hamden Park!

No, the big match up here back then was England v Scotland at Wembley.

And probably the fact that there were so few Scotland victories there.

There was also the aura around Wembley and the fact it had held so many major games of international importance.

I do accept there weren't many more Scotland victories over England at Hampden !

On 08/06/2020 at 14:08, erskblue said:

Funny, the first World cup, I remember watching was in 1978, as a 9 year old and I remember cheering on Scotland (Archie Gemmils goal v Holland still one of my most memorable), 4 years later and 1982, now 13, The England/Scotland  rivalry had taken hold and I sh*t myself when David Nary opened the scoring against Brazil, I was transfixed and relief set in when Brazil turned it on afterwards. Now nearly 40 years later and my Scotland rivalry has died down and unless they are playing England would want them to do well, Germany and Argentina are my hated rivals for many obvious reasons. Maybe back in the 80's Scotland were more of a threat with some great players, now the difference between the sides are worlds apart.

18 hours ago, chi blue said:

Funny, the first World cup, I remember watching was in 1978, as a 9 year old and I remember cheering on Scotland (Archie Gemmils goal v Holland still one of my most memorable), 4 years later and 1982, now 13, The England/Scotland  rivalry had taken hold and I sh*t myself when David Nary opened the scoring against Brazil, I was transfixed and relief set in when Brazil turned it on afterwards. Now nearly 40 years later and my Scotland rivalry has died down and unless they are playing England would want them to do well, Germany and Argentina are my hated rivals for many obvious reasons. Maybe back in the 80's Scotland were more of a threat with some great players, now the difference between the sides are worlds apart.

Agreed.

There was a real rivalry between the two back then.

The World Cup Finals of 1982 was probably the last time Scotland could be even reasonably compared to England.

The Scotland's 'peak' was probably between 1973 - late 1977.

Mind you, a certain England 5-1 Scotland 'Wembley hammering' was right in the middle of that period !

Edited June 11, 20206 yr by erskblue

From the 1970s. Shoot ! magazine.

There's a great story I've heard numerous times that took place during this game.

The Scotland centre half Jim Holton tackled England's Alan Ball. Ball stayed tackled !

When he got eventually up. Ball shouted to Holton." You, you're nothing but a big, ugly, Scottish b##tard !"

Holton replied. " Aye and don't you ever forget it !"

Top Picture:'St Johnstone fans are unimpressed with Arsenal in 1934 .'

That is genuinely the picture caption !

Scotland team that beat England 2-1 at Wembley in 1977.

From right to left: Rioch, Rough, McGrain, McQueen, Dalglish, Jordan, Donnachie, Forsyth, Masson, Johnston and Hartford. A great team.

After the Final Whistle. England v Scotland 4th June 1977 at Wembley.

Bobby Moore v Brazil, during the 1970 World Cup in Mexico.

Scotland team for the game against Argentina in 1977. Bud looks like he's having a cigarette.

England about to play Argentina in their summer tour of  1977.

Ray Clemence wearing a blue England goalkeepers jersey v The Netherlands at Wembley in early 1977.

And v Brazil in Rio in June 1977.

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamUnif/Goalkeepers/GKUnif1976A.html

 

 

3 hours ago, Boyne said:

Scotland team that beat England 2-1 at Wembley in 1977.

From right to left: Rioch, Rough, McGrain, McQueen, Dalglish, Jordan, Donnachie, Forsyth, Masson, Johnston and Hartford. A great team.

Alan Rough!, as a young English lad who played in goal, I had hours of fun watching Alan Rough make mistakes, now it is many years ago and I would of been between the ages of 8 and about 14 but was Alan Rough as sh*t as I remember him. I always thought George Wood was better.

14 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Alan Rough!, as a young English lad who played in goal, I had hours of fun watching Alan Rough make mistakes, now it is many years ago and I would of been between the ages of 8 and about 14 but was Alan Rough as sh*t as I remember him. I always thought George Wood was better.

Agree about George Wood. Some of Scotland's goalies in the seventies and eighties were a bit hit and miss. From the nineties onwards goalies improved with the likes of Goram, McGregor and Gordon.

Brazil 1958

 

Djalma Santos, Zito, Bellini, Nilton Santos, Orlando and Gilmar;
Garrincha, Didi, Pelé, Vavá, Zagallo and Paulo Amaral (physical instructor).

8 hours ago, Boyne said:

Scotland team for the game against Argentina in 1977. Bud looks like he's having a cigarette.

Bud was sent off in this game. To be honest. He was innocent on this occasion.

 

The European Cup lies on the physio table in the Milan dressing room following their 2-1 victory over Benfica in the 1963 European Cup Final

Photograph: L'Equipe/Offside

On ‎10‎/‎06‎/‎2020 at 19:36, Munkworth said:

It wouldn’t have been a match of any magnitude if it was being played there... 

Yeah and this first picture proves it ! 

This was actually a Scotland international match v Northern Ireland !

To be fair the game was live on tv !

Ad the weather was, as can be seen, typical for Glasgow ....

Edited June 12, 20206 yr by erskblue

May 1980 Scottish Cup Final. Police horses on the field,

The police restored order after a pitch invasion by both sets of supporters.

This fighting led to the banning of alcohol at Scottish Football Grounds from the start of the following season.

Edited June 12, 20206 yr by erskblue

5 hours ago, erskblue said:

May 1980 Scottish Cup Final. Police horses on the field,

The police restored order after a pitch invasion by both sets of supporters.

This fighting led to the banning of alcohol at Scottish Football Grounds from the start of the following season.

Can't believe that's forty years ago. I've been on a few Rangers supporters buses over the years and no one is supposed to drink alcohol on them but there is always one or two who smuggle on stuff. Normally vodka in bottles of orange juice.

10 minutes ago, Boyne said:

Can't believe that's forty years ago. I've been on a few Rangers supporters buses over the years and no one is supposed to drink alcohol on them but there is always one or two who smuggle on stuff. Normally vodka in bottles of orange juice.

Remember going to a Cup Final  on a supporters bus when we were stopped by the police for 'a routine alcohol check'.

As the two police officers came on board the silent supporters bus.

A voice from the middle of the bus simply said:" No alcohol on these buses officers."

" Thanks, Have a safe journey and enjoy the game lads." was their reply and they departed the bus !

The 'voice' was actually a senior police officer, a member of the Supporters club and going to the game.

He was their boss !

20 minutes ago, erskblue said:

Remember going to a Cup Final  on a supporters bus when we were stopped by the police for 'a routine alcohol check'.

As the two police officers came on board the silent supporters bus.

A voice from the middle of the bus simply said:" No alcohol on these buses officers."

" Thanks, Have a safe journey and enjoy the game lads." was their reply and they departed the bus !

The 'voice' was actually a senior police officer, a member of the Supporters club and going to the game.

He was their boss !

Brilliant story. Reminded me of something that happened many many years ago when I was a kid. Me, my two sisters and our parents were on holiday in Scotland and were staying at my Dad's parents in Larkhall. One day we had gone up to Loch Lomond for the day and on the way back went through Glasgow to visit Ibrox. My Dad had to stop and ask for directions. The person he stopped to ask was an off-duty copper. Copper said, I'll show the way. My Mum got into the back street with us kids so the copper could get into the passenger seat. My Dad was worried as he had been drinking. I think the copper ignored the fact as one of the reasons he offered to help was to get home.