Knowing Marina though and how little she knows about football on the pitch, we'll probably end up with neither Sarri nor Jardim and Enrique will be smiling, holding up a Chelsea shirt in about a week.

 

7 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

We spent over a month haggling over a 3m difference with Monaco in the Bakayoko transfer. Marina would penny pinch about 10 quid of you gave her the chance. It's not surprising to me at all.

On one hand, Jardim being young gives me confidence that there'll be a second chance to get him in the future if we don't get him now. On the other hand, he could be hired by someone else who refuses to let him go by the time we're ready to hire him (or maybe he chooses not to join). It would be a shame. 

Then again, there might be a new flavour of the month when Sarri leaves Chelsea. 3 years ago neither Sarri nor Jardim would have popped up in discussions for top jobs like this.

That's why i can't understand the we will run out of manager's line, there's always options. Furthermore in 04-10 we had a set playing identity we got away with appointing Avram Grant, if Sarri gets his philosophy working like we hope, the first team will play a similar style to the development teams, meaning we could probably go down the bootroom route as an option.

 

If Sarri has resigned or got himself sacked in order for Marina to get him for free, I will take my hat off to her.

Despite rumours he has turned down Zenit, it cant be ruled out though that he is off there

I guess we won't be triggering Sarri's release clause since today's the last day? I have no idea what the board are up to or whoever's in charge for such matters. This is so stressful guess I'll check up tomorrow morning again. Hopefully some progress by then. 

28 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

I tend to agree. Sarri is how old? Is he 60? Has he won anything? No. Playing good football is a lot easier than winning, ask Arsene Wenger. Sure, somebody will pipe in and say he got a record number of points for a team coming second. Forgive me but I couldn't give a f**k. The world is full of people who got a record score coming second. Getting over the line is another thing and that's what separates the men from the boys. Italy is not the strongest league. Finishing above Juve would be an achievement. As I said, Rafa Benitez came second with Napoli. Klopp finished above Bayern with Dortmund. Jardim finished above PSG with Monaco. Jardim's far younger. I'm struggling to understand why he's not getting more of a mention and everybody's fixated on Sarri. Perhaps somebody can explain. He plays good football? Sarri*, but I'll need a little bit more than that.

 

* Do you see what I did there?

Sarri utilises positional football. It's the same principles and ideas that Guardiola uses. In terms of methods and execution, Sarri's positional game is more sophisticated and better then Guardiola's. If given better players, there is a possibility that he can dominate the league the same way Guardiola has. It's a risk with a high reward. Honestly, his positional game is insanely good, the best I have seen, including Guardiola.

Something must be going on.

Sounds like Napoli want Ancelotti but Sarri still has one year left on his contract and according to italian sources we have not yet been in contact with him.
Surely something must happen tomorrow? Our rivals are already in the process of wrapping up their first transfer targets already and we have a manager on his way out and no DOF and currently no clue who our new manager will be.

I am quite excited for his potential arrival. It won't be instant but our playing style will change drastically. Would be fascinating to watch Pep vs Sarri and also Klopp since he seems to have the better of Pep at the moment. 

2 minutes ago, zes said:

I guess we won't be triggering Sarri's release clause since today's the last day? I have no idea what the board are up to or whoever's in charge for such matters. This is so stressful guess I'll check up tomorrow morning again. Hopefully some progress by then. 

I'd guess if he has been clearing his desk and Ancelotti is in talks (which has been reported a lot in Italy last few mins along with a video of him arriving at ADL house), that he is resigning.  Depends how badly he wants to leave. His comments after the match the other night suggested a mutual parting of the ways. 

Unless! Zenit have triggered it and he has decided to go............

1 minute ago, Sindre said:

Something must be going on.

Sounds like Napoli want Ancelotti but Sarri still has one year left on his contract and according to italian sources we have not yet been in contact with him.
Surely something must happen tomorrow? Our rivals are already in the process of wrapping up their first transfer targets already 

Are they?

Sarri is not dull, he will have read or seen the Ancelotti stuff therefore something is in motion.  Realistically, we have to assume he has resigned or got himself sacked (mutual agreement). That would be ideal for Marina

Edited May 22, 20188 yr by RickUK

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Are they?

Mahrez looks to be on the way to City.

Keita already completed his move to Liverpool in January.

Think it's exaggerated however that our rivals are doing much at the moment.

3 minutes ago, Total-Football said:

Sarri utilises positional football. It's the same principles and ideas that Guardiola uses. In terms of methods and execution, Sarri's positional game is more sophisticated and better then Guardiola's. If given better players, there is a possibility that he can dominate the league the same way Guardiola has. It's a risk with a high reward. Honestly, his positional game is insanely good, the best I have seen, including Guardiola.

I would die to watch Pep and Sarri go at it in the Premier League :) fascinating battle really. 

3 minutes ago, Total-Football said:

Sarri utilises positional football. It's the same principles and ideas that Guardiola uses. In terms of methods and execution, Sarri's positional game is more sophisticated and better then Guardiola's. If given better players, there is a possibility that he can dominate the league the same way Guardiola has. It's a risk with a high reward. Honestly, his positional game is insanely good, the best I have seen, including Guardiola.

 

Thanks for your answer. I will take your word for it. Jesus you've got me excited now. However, can he get over the line? Does he have the nerve? There is absolutely no proof that he has. People banged on about Bielsa being a genius but he never won anything in Europe, despite the reputation. As you say, Sarri definitely constitutes a risk, but I'm not wholly against that, I just wondered why so many people were set on him. Anyway you've given me a good answer. Can I ask, have you seen much of Napoli under him?

 

That's a question for all of you really, those of you that say the football is fantastic. How much have you really seen? I hear Tottenham's football is really good. That doesn't make Pochettino a top manager. He's good but he's shown he loses his nerve when push comes to shove, and I honestly wouldn't want him here, reason being he's not good enough. As I say, winning is a lot harder than playing good football.

1 minute ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Thanks for your answer. I will take your word for it. Jesus you've got me excited now. However, can he get over the line? Does he have the nerve? There is absolutely no proof that he has. People banged on about Bielsa being a genius but he never won anything in Europe, despite the reputation. As you say, Sarri definitely constitutes a risk, but I'm not wholly against that, I just wondered why so many people were set on him. Anyway you've given me a good answer. Can I ask, have you seen much of Napoli under him?

 

That's a question for all of you really, those of you that say the football is fantastic. How much have you really seen? I hear Tottenham's football is really good. That doesn't make Pochettino a top manager. He's good but he's shown he loses his nerve when push comes to shove, and I honestly wouldn't want him here, reason being he's not good enough. As I say, winning is a lot harder than playing good football.

Sarri's football is easily one of the best in Europe.

He has a track record of improving pretty much every player in that Napoli side. Jorginho is now seen as one of the best playmakers in the world whereas you probably hadn't of heard of him two years ago. Koulibaly was extremely average before Sarri went to Naples, now he's being estimated at over 100m. Insigne, Mertens & Callejon's goal tallies have increased dramatically since the introduction of Sarri's tactics. To prove this, Mertens has scored 47 goals in 73 games in the last two seasons whereas before that he had 22 in 97 games. 

Napoli's transfer budget is very stringent and nothing in comparison to the likes of Juventus, Inter and even Milan these days. They lost Higuain to Juventus a couple of seasons ago and have still remained close to Juventus despite their superior resources.

He can be stubborn tactically at times, a bit like Conte and he doesn't fully utilise the squad he has.

Hope that helps slightly.

1 minute ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Thanks for your answer. I will take your word for it. Jesus you've got me excited now. However, can he get over the line? Does he have the nerve? There is absolutely no proof that he has. People banged on about Bielsa being a genius but he never won anything in Europe, despite the reputation. As you say, Sarri definitely constitutes a risk, but I'm not wholly against that, I just wondered why so many people were set on him. Anyway you've given me a good answer. Can I ask, have you seen much of Napoli under him?

 

That's a question for all of you really, those of you that say the football is fantastic. How much have you really seen? I hear Tottenham's football is really good. That doesn't make Pochettino a top manager. He's good but he's shown he loses his nerve when push comes to shove, and I honestly wouldn't want him here, reason being he's not good enough. As I say, winning is a lot harder than playing good football.

Ive mentioned it a bit recently but i honestly believe the mentality of a club play's a bigger part than the manager. There's something deeprooted at Spurs that causes them to reapeadtly bottle it, i mean Redknapp even got Pompey over the line but couldn't do likewise at Spurs, Sherwood got closer to a trophy with Villa for crying out loud. I genuinely wonder if even Fergie or the Jose of the 00's could reverse the trend there.

As much fun as it is mocking Pochettino for banter purposes, no way in hell would we go 4 years without a trophy with a similar side to the one he's built there, because we have a winning mentality running through this club in every corner. 

5 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Thanks for your answer. I will take your word for it. Jesus you've got me excited now. However, can he get over the line? Does he have the nerve? There is absolutely no proof that he has. People banged on about Bielsa being a genius but he never won anything in Europe, despite the reputation. As you say, Sarri definitely constitutes a risk, but I'm not wholly against that, I just wondered why so many people were set on him. Anyway you've given me a good answer. Can I ask, have you seen much of Napoli under him?

 

That's a question for all of you really, those of you that say the football is fantastic. How much have you really seen? I hear Tottenham's football is really good. That doesn't make Pochettino a top manager. He's good but he's shown he loses his nerve when push comes to shove, and I honestly wouldn't want him here, reason being he's not good enough. As I say, winning is a lot harder than playing good football.

Bielsa is a lunatic that causes trouble all the time. It's why he isn't touched by top clubs and tends to fail often. Sarri is much more well balanced.

The reason why his Napoli team didn't win this season was mainly because they tailed off towards the end of the season due to tiredness. That's definitely on Sarri who doesn't rotate. Fortunately he has acknowledged his own fault this season a couple weeks ago. Also, his Napoli side are not really great in depth, which has forced his hand at times. 

I have watched quite a bit of Napoli under him, I also posted some full games in the Sarri thread in the rumours forum. His football is mesmerising to watch from every single aspect. I even enjoy just watching the expertise in which they build the ball from the back. 

https://spielverlagerung.com/2014/11/26/juego-de-posicion-a-short-explanation/

 

This is a small article on the principles of his philosophy. It's the same as Guardiola's and his execution of it is the best I have seen. Other practitioners of this philosophy:

. Luis Enrique 

. Van Gaal

. Thomas Tuchel

. Pep Guardiola

. Cruyff 

 

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

Ive mentioned it a bit recently but i honestly believe the mentality of a club play's a bigger part than the manager. There's something deeprooted at Spurs that causes them to reapeadtly bottle it, i mean Redknapp even got Pompey over the line but couldn't do likewise at Spurs, Sherwood got closer to a trophy with Villa for crying out loud. I genuinely wonder if even Fergie or the Jose of the 00's could reverse the trend there.

As much fun as it is mocking Pochettino for banter purposes, no way in hell would we go 4 years without a trophy with a similar side to the one he's built there, because we have a winning mentality running through this club in every corner. 

 

I don't buy that. A top manager can change the culture within a club. Besides, Pochettino wouldn't last 4 years at Chelsea, he'd be sacked within maximum 2 if he couldn't land a trophy.

 

Yes, Jose built a great side and a winning mentality, and that carried over long after he left, I agree with that, but I'm convinced a top manager can go into Spurs and create a winning culture. It just depends how good they are.

12 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Thanks for your answer. I will take your word for it. Jesus you've got me excited now. However, can he get over the line? Does he have the nerve? There is absolutely no proof that he has. People banged on about Bielsa being a genius but he never won anything in Europe, despite the reputation. As you say, Sarri definitely constitutes a risk, but I'm not wholly against that, I just wondered why so many people were set on him. Anyway you've given me a good answer. Can I ask, have you seen much of Napoli under him?

 

That's a question for all of you really, those of you that say the football is fantastic. How much have you really seen? I hear Tottenham's football is really good. That doesn't make Pochettino a top manager. He's good but he's shown he loses his nerve when push comes to shove, and I honestly wouldn't want him here, reason being he's not good enough. As I say, winning is a lot harder than playing good football.

In addition to what has been said, I've probably watched about 12 Napoli games this season. Their CL games against City and the big matches against Juve, the Milan sides and Roma. Their football was impeccable. They suffered from the same sort of breakdown City suffered in the CL last season. In other words, as good as their players were in the system Sarri built, better players would have gotten them over the line. The same way better players took City to another level this season. Would have won them the league too.

I'm excited to see what he'd do with Hazard considering what he turned Insigne into. I think we should send Willian and 15m to United for Martial if Sarri joins. He would turn that kid into a monster. The talent is already there. Also think we'd get a much better Emerson, Rudiger and co. Even Reina looked good.

Argo, are you suggesting Pochettino could have won the title and FA Cup if he had come in 2 years ago. If so, much as I respect you as a poster, I disagree. Conte takes the credit for our successes, and he also takes the blame for getting sacked.

 

Sarri is now available for nothing, then

I don't want to get excited just yet but Hazard under a manager like Sarri would be incredible to watch

4 minutes ago, Davey Baby said:

Argo, are you suggesting Pochettino could have won the title and FA Cup if he had come in 2 years ago. If so, much as I respect you as a poster, I disagree. Conte takes the credit for our successes, and he also takes the blame for getting sacked.

On Conte, he also utilises the same principles as Guardiola /Sarri. Its a bit of a primitive version though and not as extensive (As he also has a Mourinho pragmatism) but he uses the same techniques and same philosophy in his teams build up of attacks. If you watch us last season, you can actually see that our players follow similar patterns depending on where the ball/opposition are. This season our positional play broke down as teams found effective ways to counter it. It seems Conte didn't know how to effectively overcome other teams closing off his set patterns and often meant we were quite clueless on the ball. 

Guardiola has regularly complimented Conte for his positional game.