25 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We didn't need Kounde last season, we went into the last season with 6 CB's in the squad

So some long-term planning doesn't matter?

How many CB's do we have left now? Two that are ancient (one of which wants to leave), one that's actually a midfielder and not a great defender and one that's certainly not good enough.

And now we are in prime position to get absolutely rinsed because we are rather desperate for reinforcements. In a years time we'll as it stands have 0 CB's that's good enough left at the club as Azpi's and Silva's contracts are running out as well.

If that isn't terrible planning I don't know what is. Especially when we have sold two England international CBs in the process.

30 minutes ago, Whiskyjack said:

They would have performed better.  I mean, we are talking about the guy who has the record for the worst save percentage in premier league history here.  

hindsight is a wonderful thing

8 minutes ago, Sindre said:

So some long-term planning doesn't matter?

How many CB's do we have left now? Two that are ancient (one of which wants to leave), one that's actually a midfielder and not a great defender and one that's certainly not good enough.

And now we are in prime position to get absolutely rinsed because we are rather desperate for reinforcements. In a years time we'll as it stands have 0 CB's that's good enough left at the club as Azpi's and Silva's contracts are running out as well.

If that isn't terrible planning I don't know what is. Especially when we have sold two England international CBs in the process.

Didn't see a single poster moan about this at the start of last season, but now everyone is an expert that saw this coming a mile away. No one would have expected Christensen to not extend and most would have thought Rudiger would have extended too. We didn't know there would be an embargo on us to prevent us locking these players down earlier.

As said above, hindsight is a wonderful thing. 

21 minutes ago, RMH said:

You're just seeing the glass half empty. There have been flops but there have been good purchases, Kova, Jorginho, Thiago Silva, Rudi, Mendy, Kante, Chilwell, Pedro, Alonso... These all have been negotiated by her as well, and we don't complain about them (well, Jorginho we do complain but that's another story and other reasons involved).

Nothing is black or white, a balanced view would be more appropriate.

I do agree there have been some decent deals done, but not securing Rudiger, allowing him to leave on a free when he was worth circa £70m, the debacle that is the Lukaku deal, the fees paid for Kepa, Werner, Havertz, all tell me she is losing her edge, but bringing in Thiago Silva on a free should probably be heralded.

15 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

hindsight is a wonderful thing

True, many mistakes are only realized in hindsight (I didn't think Morata would flop as hard as he did for example),  but some things were reasonably foreseeable, Kepa being one. 

Panic buys, panic decision making generally in all things (not just football, investments too) have statistically lower probabilities of being winners. Kepa was a panic buy.

 

21 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We didn't know there would be an embargo on us to prevent us locking these players down earlier.

Rudiger himself confirmed it wasn't due to sanctions. But he did say he didn't hear a word from the club between August and January and that's when he had to look elsewhere to secure his future. So it was another colossal feck up by Granovskaia.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Rudiger himself confirmed it wasn't due to sanctions. But he did say he didn't hear a word from the club between August and January and that's when he had to look elsewhere to secure his future. So it was another colossal feck up by Granovskaia.

 

 

We offered him more than £200k a week in January, he said he decided to leave in April after talking to Carlo. That's 4 months he had to accept the offer himself. Works both ways.

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Rudiger himself confirmed it wasn't due to sanctions. But he did say he didn't hear a word from the club between August and January and that's when he had to look elsewhere to secure his future. So it was another colossal feck up by Granovskaia.

 

 

The only realistic window to have signed rudiger was offering him 250k before January.  He probably would have taken it, but we just didn't want to do it.  Once January came and he tested out his value on the market it was over. I guess you could say that's on Marina for low balling him initially.

Personally I think he's worth 250k in this market because a replacement would have cost us more and with more risk of not working out.  

10 minutes ago, Whiskyjack said:

Once January came and he tested out his value on the market it was over

Indeed. As several on here had predicted.

Anyways, can't do anything about it now. Fresh start is extremely needed and let's hope Boehly and our new directors fix the mess and give us a new direction.

 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I don't have any medication or doctors 

Pulisic 4 poor seasons at Dortmund? Look, it's absolutely fine to admit you didn't watch him at Dortmund and you've just been on Wikipedia to look at his stats. Pulisic was the most promising teenager in Europe. Dortmund's youngest ever player in the CL, their youngest CL scorer. 

Then I strongly recommend you get the medication you need because your level of delusion isn't normal.

Anyone who thinks Pulisic was the most promising teenager in Europe when we signed him really needs the medication.   He wasn't even the most promising teenage Winger in his own team! And had been benched by younger more talented players at Dortmund.   Sancho and Dembele were both far better.

Pulisic looked a decent talent in his debut season because he was performing well for a 16 year old, however he didn't improve at all, regressed during his time in the senior team, didn't manage a single good season and at the point we signed him was heavily criticised as not being good enough by Dortmund fans and couldn't get near the team.  They'd actually criticised him heavily for the last 2 years.

I fear you've fell into the trap of assuming a player you'd never heard of must have been good because we paid a huge fee for him but Pulisics star was already faded when we paid a ludicrous fee for him.

A poorly performing bench warmer with 1 year left on his contract shouldn't be costing 58m.  Both Marina and you really need your heads examined if you think that looked a reasonable fee at the time.

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Oi gents lets keep this on topic, Dont force the admin/mods to use the ban hammer! I think people need to try and work together to find a solution otherwise this forum will swing back to constant bickering

Rip and hazardous agree to disagree and lets move on? im getting distracted by these silly arguments lol

1 minute ago, HazardousChoice said:

 And had been benched by younger more talented players at Dortmund.   Sancho and Dembele were both far better.

Truthfully, although I knew very little about Pulisic at that time, this was a massive red flag for me at the time.  Sancho was keeping him on the bench.  We rather should have been going for Sancho instead.  Another case of buying who was available rather than waiting for the right player to become available.

6 minutes ago, Whiskyjack said:

Truthfully, although I knew very little about Pulisic at that time, this was a massive red flag for me at the time.  Sancho was keeping him on the bench.  We rather should have been going for Sancho instead.  Another case of buying who was available rather than waiting for the right player to become available.

I'd say pulisic offers more than sancho in the PL mind you

2 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

I'd say pulisic offers more than sancho in the PL mind you

See on statistics that's probably true but I can't help but feel United are butchering his development.  He just looks like he is capable of alot more.  

23 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Then I strongly recommend you get the medication you need because your level of delusion isn't normal.

Anyone who thinks Pulisic was the most promising teenager in Europe when we signed him really needs the medication.   He wasn't even the most promising teenage Winger in his own team! And had been benched by younger more talented players at Dortmund.   Sancho and Dembele were both far better.

Pulisic looked a decent talent in his debut season because he was performing well for a 16 year old, however he didn't improve at all, regressed during his time in the senior team, didn't manage a single good season and at the point we signed him was heavily criticised as not being good enough by Dortmund fans and couldn't get near the team.  They'd actually criticised him heavily for the last 2 years.

I fear you've fell into the trap of assuming a player you'd never heard of must have been good because we paid a huge fee for him but Pulisics star was already faded when we paid a ludicrous fee for him.

A poorly performing bench warmer with 1 year left on his contract shouldn't be costing 58m.  Both Marina and you really need your heads examined if you think that looked a reasonable fee at the time.

My delusion? Might want to nip back through this thread and see the likes agreeing with me and the ones agreeing with you..

Pulisic was close to winning the golden boy award at Dortmund, but you're right he was sh*t i guess. 

Just because you didn't watch Pulisic, doesn't mean i didn't. 

24 minutes ago, Whiskyjack said:

Truthfully, although I knew very little about Pulisic at that time, this was a massive red flag for me at the time.  Sancho was keeping him on the bench.  We rather should have been going for Sancho instead.  Another case of buying who was available rather than waiting for the right player to become available.

Pulisic has been far better than Sancho in this league.

22 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

My delusion? Might want to nip back through this thread and see the likes agreeing with me and the ones agreeing with you..

Pulisic was close to winning the golden boy award at Dortmund, but you're right he was sh*t i guess. 

Just because you didn't watch Pulisic, doesn't mean i didn't. 

I'll try one last time to educate you but I really do think you're a lost cause. If  you think this is some kind of majority consensus debate here are the largest collection of comments from around the Internet when we signed Pulisic.  There are not the comments of us signing a talented player or getting a good deal.  They don't make good reading unfortunately.

We were quite rightly laughed at for the fee we paid.  You most likely hadn't heard of Pulisic at the time but the facts don't change because you don't understand them or if you get 2 likes on a forum 🤣 

You can also look at the comments at the start of the Pulisic thread here.  Pretty much everyone has been in consensus from day 1 than Marina had been badly ripped off again as she usual is when we sign anyone.

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28 minutes ago, Whiskyjack said:

Truthfully, although I knew very little about Pulisic at that time, this was a massive red flag for me at the time.  Sancho was keeping him on the bench.  We rather should have been going for Sancho instead.  Another case of buying who was available rather than waiting for the right player to become available.

Whenever someone says a bench player can't be any good because he's not a regular starter, I'm reminded of Kova.

3 hours ago, Whiskyjack said:

 

And Marina isn't the "sole authority" on transfers sure but I suspect she had a veto right (the coach would no doubt have had one too), and she probably had the most authority on the committee.

 

Do you have evidence to support this? I think your completely wrong on both parts and have no idea how you could think that.

Just listened to the latest London is Blue podcast and Matt Law who many consider to be the journalist with the best sources at Chelsea said "Marina ran the club. She decided on contracts. She decided on transfers and every football aspect decision needed her sign-off"

So basically what i've always said then. To me it was always rather obvious it was the case, even judging from some of Petr Cech's comments about her.

 

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Just listened to the latest London is Blue podcast and Matt Law who many consider to be the journalist with the best sources at Chelsea said "Marina ran the club. She decided on contracts. She decided on transfers and every football aspect decision needed her sign-off"

So basically what i've always said then. To me it was always rather obvious it was the case, even judging from some of Petr Cech's comments about her.

 

By decide, she was the final sign off. 

That means she takes on all views of her team, that includes cech and tuchel and agrees or blocks. 

It doesn't mean she's watching YouTube videos of lukaku and going off and signing him based on what she thinks he's worth.

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

That means she takes on all views of her team, that includes cech and tuchel and agrees or blocks. 

Yes, excactly.

So Granovskaia with zero or very little football experience have made the final decisions at this club for several years. And it's gone exactly how you would predict.

1 hour ago, HazardousChoice said:

I'll try one last time to educate you but I really do think you're a lost cause. If  you think this is some kind of majority consensus debate here are the largest collection of comments from around the Internet when we signed Pulisic.  There are not the comments of us signing a talented player or getting a good deal.  They don't make good reading unfortunately.

We were quite rightly laughed at for the fee we paid.  You most likely hadn't heard of Pulisic at the time but the facts don't change because you don't understand them or if you get 2 likes on a forum 🤣 

You can also look at the comments at the start of the Pulisic thread here.  Pretty much everyone has been in consensus from day 1 than Marina had been badly ripped off again as she usual is when we sign anyone.

You can keep peddaling this opinion that no one had heard of Pulisic, but that's on you. He absolutely was one of the best youngsters in Europe.

Suppose we should have gone into the season with no new wingers after it was evident we were losing Hazard. Moan we don't plan for the future, moan when we do plan for the future. Moan we don't pay enough to get players, moan when we pay what clubs want to get our number one transfer target. 

I’ve always thought the new owners would keep the staff such as Buck and Marina, but now it looks like we are heading into a completely different direction and I’m excited.

It’s going to be interesting to see how we work as a club now, it could be better or worse, who knows?

44 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Yes, excactly.

So Granovskaia with zero or very little football experience have made the final decisions at this club for several years. And it's gone exactly how you would predict.

Well have fun with the next 10 years as that will continue to be someone with no football experience. 

Same as at most clubs at this level.