20 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

23 million pathetic snowflakes.

Not as snow flakey as their FA trying to sue people on twitter and their fans petitioning for a replayed final while their players and fans cry and fight LOL

3 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Are you comparing opening a door to physically attacking thousands of people in violent premeditated attacks?

You think that the Wembley disorder was just a door being opened? 😂

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

A poll to remove a national team from future tournaments because you don't like them is proper woke nonsense.

Twitter is a hive mind of disingenuity. I remember there was a picture on X doing the rounds of Messi stepping on Spence just before Argentina's winner. For days, the masses used this to further concoct the rigged narrative, only for it to be proven that the photo was photoshopped and Messi actually jumped over Spence. But by that time, it was too late, and the damage was already done. Just fueled more fire to the whole rigged nonsense.

Sconnie, the poll is nonsense , you're correct. . But it's nothing to do with being "woke" mate, it's just nonsense 😂

3 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Are you comparing opening a door to physically attacking thousands of people in violent premeditated attacks?

You think that the Wembley disorder was just a door being opened? 😂

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

A poll to remove a national team from future tournaments because you don't like them is proper woke nonsense.

Twitter is a hive mind of disingenuity. I remember there was a picture on X doing the rounds of Messi stepping on Spence just before Argentina's winner. For days, the masses used this to further concoct the rigged narrative, only for it to be proven that the photo was photoshopped and Messi actually jumped over Spence. But by that time, it was too late, and the damage was already done. Just fueled more fire to the whole rigged nonsense.

Sconnie, the poll is nonsense , you're correct. . But it's nothing to do with being "woke" mate, it's just nonsense 😂

18 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Our fans ... after losing semi final to Germany at Wembley 1996

THE NIGHTMARE scenario all England dreaded came true last night as rioting football fans clashed violently with police in Trafalgar Square in the heart of London. By midnight there were reports from police across England that trouble was spreading rapidly.

Violence erupted shortly after the final penalty signalled England's defeat by Germany in the semi-final of the European championships.

In the capital hundreds of football hooligans took to the streets, burning vehicles, and leaving motorists cowering in their cars as they walked over them, kicking doors and spitting on windscreens.

Every ambulance in the city had been called out, said the London Ambulance Service, ``they are just dropping people off at hospitals and then going back out again,'' added a spokeswoman.

1996 PMSL

See:

3 hours ago, All Barco no bite said:

'history'. We also did slavery until we realised it was bad and stamped it out across the globe. People do bad things, taking responsibility for them is another issue.

The fan favourite past time was rightly stamped out and villainised by the media, FA and country in general. As you can see, its encouraged by all aspects of Argentina and blame pushed elsewhere.

1 minute ago, The Rising Sun said:

You think that the Wembley disorder was just a door being opened? 😂

They quite literally opened a door.

3 hours ago, All Barco no bite said:

'history'. We also did slavery until we realised it was bad and stamped it out across the globe. People do bad things, taking responsibility for them is another issue.

The fan favourite past time was rightly stamped out and villainised by the media, FA and country in general. As you can see, its encouraged by all aspects of Argentina and blame pushed elsewhere.

It certainly has NOT been stamped out. You'will no doubt see a massive return in the next Euros , with the usual nonsense going on during League games too.

3 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

They quite literally opened a door.

3 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

They quite literally opened a door.

3 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

They quite literally opened a door.

And that was it, nothing else?? 😂

1 minute ago, The Rising Sun said:

And that was it, nothing else?? 😂

I'm fairly sure a firework and an arsehole was involved somehow too

5 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

It certainly has NOT been stamped out. You'will no doubt see a massive return in the next Euros , with the usual nonsense going on during League games too.

Yes it has. You get slapped with a FBO for the smallest of things in England.

4 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

And that was it, nothing else?? 😂

Yes

55 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I'm fairly sure a firework and an arsehole was involved somehow too

Err...sorry thst was me, it is my standard party trick. I normally do it to Rocketman

55 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

Yes it has. You get slapped with a FBO for the smallest of things in England.

FBO aren't relevant to people who have no intention of ever paying for a ticket.

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

FBO aren't relevant to people who have no intention of ever paying for a ticket.

It is relevant to fighting at grounds and mob violence, which is what the reply was to.

8 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

It is relevant to fighting at grounds and mob violence, which is what the reply was to.

Most of the fights that happened in the Euro 2020 final (which by the way, far far far exceeded the number of fights seen inside the New York stadium for the world cup final) were by people who did not buy a ticket and probably never intend to buy a ticket.

Edited Thursday at 18:152 days by bisright1

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

Most of the fights that happened in the Euro 2020 final (which by the way, far far far exceeded the number of fights seen inside the New York stadium for the world cup final) were by people who did not buy a ticket and probably never intend to buy a ticket.

Any evidence to back that up or are you just believing what you see on X?

21 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

Any evidence to back that up or are you just believing what you see on X?

Which part of my statement would you like me to prove? I can get reputable news articles reporting on what I said. It's widely understood as facts what I said, there was even a documentary about the final on Netflix.

Argentinian fans have a dust up every week with each other and the police.

Game days today in Buenos Aires are similar to English games in the 80’s and 90’s. What happened after they lost the other night happens most weeks. I know away fans are banned from high risk games due to the trouble.

Hooligan ringleaders there are often connected to the clubs and/or to authority which makes it more difficult to stop. There is very little political will to take these people on.

Culturally the English hooligans of 40 years ago and today’s Argentinian hooligans are quite similar and similar comparisons can be made of the Balkan hooligans of the 2000’s for instance

There is an excellent book on the subject. The name eludes me at the moment. I’ll look it out later and post the author and title for anyone interested.

But Argentina is a great place with good people in general just as England was in the 90’s. What happened during and after the final isn’t a reflection of their general society.

10 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Which part of my statement would you like me to prove? I can get reputable news articles reporting on what I said. It's widely understood as facts what I said, there was even a documentary about the final on Netflix.

I think you need to stop believing everything you read on the internet.

1 hour ago, All Barco no bite said:

I think you need to stop believing everything you read on the internet.

Here's the Baroness Casey report on the events of the 2020 final with relevant quotes, a full investigation, with multiple sources and examined evidence. Not just some troll with an X account trying to appeal to idiots. But I don't think you have the capacity to read anything longer than 140 characters, so you probably aren't able to take it in.

Fighting and physical violence

• "the individuals without tickets – nearly all men, it has to be said – who attacked the stadium, successfully or otherwise." (Foreword)

• On the Spanish Steps breach: "This group punched stewards, the police, and anyone in their way, and made it into the main stadium concourse."

• "One 'fan' just punched a policeman out of nowhere, no build up to the incident, just walked up and punched him... never seen anything like that." – Wembley external safety manager

• "stewards were punched and kicked, crushed in doorways and stamped on. One suffered a broken wrist, another received burns."

• "several members of staff were assaulted" after bottles were thrown at stewards.

• "17:43 A crowd becomes violent outside the Co-op on Olympic Way," where a police officer was later "hit over the head with a bottle."

• "Twenty minutes later fighting broke out between fans on the concourse" (after the 8.30pm police dog sweep).

• "I witnessed a fight by the bar area and that was set off just because somebody bumped into someone else." – Review survey respondent

• "One fan tried to hit me personally because I was saying not to boo the Italian national anthem." – Review survey respondent

• On disabled fans: "they were met with a rush of non-paying people charging the gate barging past and pushing disabled people and stewards out the way."

Scale of ticketless fans

• "Around 100,000 people travelled to Wembley on the day of the final... of which approximately 2,000 gained entry to the stadium without tickets."

• "Around 400 of them, principally those who attempted to 'tailgate' through turnstiles, were ejected."

• "Aerial footage from the MPS indicates a crowd of some 6,000 people who remained outside Wembley."

• "the day was spoiled by a horde of 6,000 or more ticketless [fans]"

• "the arrival of large numbers of ticketless fans at Wembley on the day of the final was predictable."

• Pearson's expert view: "it was a 'certainty' that thousands of ticketless fans would travel to London for the final, and likely that the numbers would be in the tens of thousands."

• "In all, 17 mass breaches of Wembley's gates occurred during a period stretching from 90 minutes before kick-off until the penalty shootout."

On Enzo...

It's clear that nobody wants him. So where does he play?

If we're going to do 4-2-3-1 we're going to be short a midfielder or two...again

10 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Here's the Baroness Casey report on the events of the 2020 final with relevant quotes, a full investigation, with multiple sources and examined evidence. Not just some troll with an X account trying to appeal to idiots. But I don't think you have the capacity to read anything longer than 140 characters, so you probably aren't able to take it in.

Fighting and physical violence

• "the individuals without tickets – nearly all men, it has to be said – who attacked the stadium, successfully or otherwise." (Foreword)

• On the Spanish Steps breach: "This group punched stewards, the police, and anyone in their way, and made it into the main stadium concourse."

• "One 'fan' just punched a policeman out of nowhere, no build up to the incident, just walked up and punched him... never seen anything like that." – Wembley external safety manager

• "stewards were punched and kicked, crushed in doorways and stamped on. One suffered a broken wrist, another received burns."

• "several members of staff were assaulted" after bottles were thrown at stewards.

• "17:43 A crowd becomes violent outside the Co-op on Olympic Way," where a police officer was later "hit over the head with a bottle."

• "Twenty minutes later fighting broke out between fans on the concourse" (after the 8.30pm police dog sweep).

• "I witnessed a fight by the bar area and that was set off just because somebody bumped into someone else." – Review survey respondent

• "One fan tried to hit me personally because I was saying not to boo the Italian national anthem." – Review survey respondent

• On disabled fans: "they were met with a rush of non-paying people charging the gate barging past and pushing disabled people and stewards out the way."

Scale of ticketless fans

• "Around 100,000 people travelled to Wembley on the day of the final... of which approximately 2,000 gained entry to the stadium without tickets."

• "Around 400 of them, principally those who attempted to 'tailgate' through turnstiles, were ejected."

• "Aerial footage from the MPS indicates a crowd of some 6,000 people who remained outside Wembley."

• "the day was spoiled by a horde of 6,000 or more ticketless [fans]"

• "the arrival of large numbers of ticketless fans at Wembley on the day of the final was predictable."

• Pearson's expert view: "it was a 'certainty' that thousands of ticketless fans would travel to London for the final, and likely that the numbers would be in the tens of thousands."

• "In all, 17 mass breaches of Wembley's gates occurred during a period stretching from 90 minutes before kick-off until the penalty shootout."

Any actual evidence or just more media propaganda?

"One fan tried to hit me personally because I was saying not to boo the Italian national anthem." – Review survey respondent. This one is fair, perhaps the person should have minded their own business.

You're still missing the important part here. Our FA, our police, our media and our general population condemned the scenes at Wembley. The Argentine FA, media, players and fans have all played the victim and defended their actions. Like i said, cowards.

16 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

Any actual evidence or just more media propaganda?

"One fan tried to hit me personally because I was saying not to boo the Italian national anthem." – Review survey respondent. This one is fair, perhaps the person should have minded their own business.

You're still missing the important part here. Our FA, our police, our media and our general population condemned the scenes at Wembley. The Argentine FA, media, players and fans have all played the victim and defended their actions. Like i said, cowards.

If you need more evidence than a full detailed independent judiciary report, but are happy to back yours up with anonymous X posts, then we have nothing more to discuss.

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

If you need more evidence than a full detailed independent judiciary report, but are happy to back yours up with anonymous X posts, then we have nothing more to discuss.

24 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

You're still missing the important part here. Our FA, our police, our media and our general population condemned the scenes at Wembley. The Argentine FA, media, players and fans have all played the victim and defended their actions. Like i said, cowards.

Are you conveniently ignoring this bit on purpose to make yourself feel better?

52 minutes ago, All Barco no bite said:

Are you conveniently ignoring this bit on purpose to make yourself feel better?

Not relevant to the discussion. My issue with your posts are you are trying to paint all Argentinians as awful thugs, and all english fans are wonderful lovely people who are no longer like they were in the 80s and never hurt anyone.

If you want me to say what I think of the Argentinian FA, their politicians, media etc. then we will be on the same page. But that wasn't your point I had a problem with.

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

So where does he play?

Do they have a crèche at Cobham?

8 minutes ago, Munkunku said:

Do they have a crèche at Cobham?

I am assuming he's going to end up being used next to Caicedo in a pivot 😭