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That's my 1st transfer choice next season.

Can't even beat CockSpur. It was painful to watch the whole team struggled. Spurs was clearly the better team.

Why Carvalho and not Alex? It was plainly clear that we were not going to score in open play against the 11th ranked Spurs.

This is not the Chelsea i want to see ! No use gutting all the time.

Buy Benzema, sell Drogs or anyone for all i care, i want to see blood

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There is a point in the your topic octville. I feel the same now. Avram can't push the players in these big games. That is a fact. We played poorly in the second half and Spuds deserved their victory. They could have killed the game of earlier but we were lucky then.

We can beat easier opponents with the massive skill advantage that we hold but when it goes tactical and psychological we lose everytime against more skilled opponents. Avram needs more time? Maybe. I would change him to TenCate or someone else.

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Anybody notice Grant said nothing in the team huddle at Extra time. He stood in the middle looking at the ground. J.T. doing all the talking.

And Clarkey got more involved than he did .

Yep that is what got me and confirmed the Grant is a puppet and just a face for the press !!!

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Spot on Gem

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it could be Clarkes job and it may be that he never had enough to say so while Grant looked on knowing the arrangement they have includes Steve doing this part of things Terry took the bull by the horns and took over,

all speculation but character assasination is great innit icon_wink.gif

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On the miserable walk out of Wembley last night, I had to agree with all around me... Jose would never have let us lose like that...

there is just no fire in the belly, there is no pre-match psychology (which love or hate is part of modern management) there is no going for little advantages grasping at straws, fighting ... all this little things that Jose did to gain small wins and the upper hand... it is missing.

So I think Grant is okay, but not the standard we require for sure. He has no passion, charisma or character.

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On the miserable walk out of Wembley last night, I had to agree with all around me... Jose would never have let us lose like that...

there is just no fire in the belly, there is no pre-match psychology (which love or hate is part of modern management) there is no going for little advantages grasping at straws, fighting ... all this little things that Jose did to gain small wins and the upper hand... it is missing.

So I think Grant is okay, but not the standard we require for sure. He has no passion, charisma or character.

I can understand why you feel that way and I agree he comes across unconcerned even after the defeat but..

He is likely as concerned as any of us being as he has a huge pay packet resting on results and anybody would want to do they're very best to stay in a Job like his,

He is not an emotional man, he could well be frantic inside and we dont know if the motivation side of things is part of his Job or one or both of the others in our three man coaching staff,

Keagan has Charisma and is a great Character likely an ok manager as well but it's not helping too much at Newcastle,

unless Grant has time and a Transfer window where he brings in players to change the style, I think it is still tooo early to judge him.

It was a cup final yesterday...against Spurs FFS if the players are not motivated by that If they have no fire in their belly's then whoever is in charge of motivation at Chelsea needs a big pay rise.

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On the miserable walk out of Wembley last night, I had to agree with all around me... Jose would never have let us lose like that...

there is just no fire in the belly, there is no pre-match psychology (which love or hate is part of modern management) there is no going for little advantages grasping at straws, fighting ... all this little things that Jose did to gain small wins and the upper hand... it is missing.

So I think Grant is okay, but not the standard we require for sure. He has no passion, charisma or character.

Spot on.

Tactically outwitted, poor substitutions, and not even the bottle to change things at half time, when it was painfully obvious that the team had a horrible shape, and an even worse balance.

It reminded me of watching Mclarens England. Players picked on status, and with no regard for the TEAM.

Avrams philosophy seems to be; get as many star names on the pitch as you can, then keep your fingers crossed. If all else fails, make like for like substitutions. Schoolboy stuff.

I always said I would give Avram the benefit of the doubt, and that the verdict could only come after the ‘big games’. Well, apart from Valencia, it doesn’t look good now, and I very much doubt that United or Arsenal will be too worried about their visits to the Bridge, to pit their wits against him.

If Roman wants more returns on his investment, then I suggest he acts quickly at the end of this season.

More fool him if he doesn’t.

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Spot on Gem

or

it could be Clarkes job and it may be that he never had enough to say so while Grant looked on knowing the arrangement they have includes Steve doing this part of things Terry took the bull by the horns and took over,

all speculation but character assasination is great innit icon_wink.gif

Sorry Chippy, but leadership comes from the top. No need to over analyse or try and morph into something it's not. Leadership comes from Fergie and Wenger for their teams, and even the Fat Spanish Waiter shows leadership when needed. Wenger doesn't yell and scream at his players but he certainly is their leader when times are tough he's the one (not Pat Rice) telling them where they should be and what they should be doing.

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Spot on Gem

or

it could be Clarkes job and it may be that he never had enough to say so while Grant looked on knowing the arrangement they have includes Steve doing this part of things Terry took the bull by the horns and took over,

all speculation but character assasination is great innit icon_wink.gif

Sorry Chippy, but leadership comes from the top. No need to over analyse or try and morph into something it's not. Leadership comes from Fergie and Wenger for their teams, and even the Fat Spanish Waiter shows leadership when needed. Wenger doesn't yell and scream at his players but he certainly is their leader when times are tough he's the one (not Pat Rice) telling them where they should be and what they should be doing.

You may be right mate,

but things are not always as they seem and we could be doing things different at Chelsea,

being as a lot of people insist that Grant is just a face and the real manager duties are carried out by Cate and Clarke (I doubt it) then it is perfectly plausable that the team talk could be somebody's job other than Grants.

WE are all guessing and thats whats good about forums, they give you the chance to mull over other peoples views so as you are not always going on your own gut instinct,

We are at the end of the day going to believe what we want to and write about it accordingly, its interesting to read others views even though they are usually a way from my own.

guess we will all have to wait and see.

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then it is perfectly plausable that the team talk could be somebody's job other than Grants.

That is not the point. I agree he may have "delegated" this responsibility to JT, Clarke, Ten Cate, or his Gran for all I care. The problem is there are times when leadership must come from the top and that includes yesterday. I'm not saying it would have changed anything because the players wouldn't have been able to understand his mumbling jibberish, but if he'd at least made an effort to rally the troops then it would have gone a long way toward dispelling the conjecture about his function on staff.

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then it is perfectly plausable that the team talk could be somebody's job other than Grants.

That is not the point. I agree he may have "delegated" this responsibility to JT, Clarke, Ten Cate, or his Gran for all I care. The problem is there are times when leadership must come from the top and that includes yesterday. I'm not saying it would have changed anything because the players wouldn't have been able to understand his mumbling jibberish, but if he'd at least made an effort to rally the troops then it would have gone a long way toward dispelling the conjecture about his function on staff.

That again may well be the case,

I don't know if half the players in our team would understand Clarkey let alone someone mumbling Jibberish icon_wink.gif

The Jibberish thing just shows that like I said , we all will believe what we want to,

I think his English is quite good for an Israeli and find it funny the Spurs boys understand Ramos with his Italian style of Jibberish icon_lol.gif

Maybe Poyet does the team talks there though icon_wink.gif

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I think his English is quite good for an Israeli

you're havin a laugh!

...and find it funny the Spurs boys understand Ramos with his Italian style of Jibberish icon_lol.gif

Maybe Poyet does the team talks there though icon_wink.gif

Which set of players ran themselves into the ground and which set strolled about looking as if they couldn't be arsed?

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I think his English is quite good for an Israeli

you're havin a laugh!

Its better than my Israeli and I understand what I hear more than I understand of Ramos,

mind you if its that bad then I doubt his French, Spanish, Brazilian is much better, no wonder Clarkey is entrusted with the team talk.

...and find it funny the Spurs boys understand Ramos with his Italian style of Jibberish icon_lol.gif

Maybe Poyet does the team talks there though icon_wink.gif

Which set of players ran themselves into the ground and which set strolled about looking as if they couldn't be arsed?

The Spurs players, my point entirely,

They were up for it and our lot did'nt seem to be,

team talks or not, a cup final should be enough.

I doubt many of the spurs team understand Ramos so its possible Poyet does what Clarkey does.

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unless Grant has time and a Transfer window where he brings in players to change the style, I think it is still tooo early to judge him.

I'm sorry Chippy, but I think that's b*ll*cks.

Grant hasn't shown the required level of tactical nous, and if he can't inspire the present group of quality players that we have (well, give or take the odd Malouda or Sidwell, but you know what mean), then I fear he is a lost cause.

A lot of posters here keep mentioning that under Grant we have lost only 3 matches, but fact of the matter is, that those were matches that mattered (Manu, Arse and yesterday's CC final), and winning those is throwing down the gaunlet. Let the main competition know you are a force to be reckoned with, serious title contenders. And I'm not even mentioning the draws against the Scousers, and last week's dismal performance againt Olympiakos, which means we have to win the return match, any draw from 1-1 upwards will see us crashing out on away goals.

No matter which players Grant will want to bring in, they will not be able to cover up his flaws anymore than the present Chelsea players can. And another matter worries me: will any player eager to win prizes (and not just go for the money) WANT to come to the Bridge, if they take a good look at Chelsea Football Club at the moment?

There's something rotten in SW6....

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unless Grant has time and a Transfer window where he brings in players to change the style, I think it is still tooo early to judge him.

I'm sorry Chippy, but I think that's b*ll*cks.

Grant hasn't shown the required level of tactical nous, and if he can't inspire the present group of quality players that we have (well, give or take the odd Malouda or Sidwell, but you know what mean), then I fear he is a lost cause.

A lot of posters here keep mentioning that under Grant we have lost only 3 matches, but fact of the matter is, that those were matches that mattered (Manu, Arse and yesterday's CC final), and winning those is throwing down the gaunlet. Let the main competition know you are a force to be reckoned with, serious title contenders. And I'm not even mentioning the draws against the Scousers, and last week's dismal performance againt Olympiakos, which means we have to win the return match, any draw from 1-1 upwards will see us crashing out on away goals.

No matter which players Grant will want to bring in, they will not be able to cover up his flaws anymore than the present Chelsea players can. And another matter worries me: will any player eager to win prizes (and not just go for the money) WANT to come to the Bridge, if they take a good look at Chelsea Football Club at the moment?

There's something rotten in SW6....

You're opinion Valerie and that of many others,

not mine for reasons I have stated many times,

I could go into the same old things but instead Bollox would be a hard argument to beat and could be used as a reply to anything you dont agree with icon_lol.gif

good one, saves wearing the letters of this keyboard icon_wink.gif

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[No matter which players Grant will want to bring in, they will not be able to cover up his flaws anymore than the present Chelsea players can. And another matter worries me: will any player eager to win prizes (and not just go for the money) WANT to come to the Bridge, if they take a good look at Chelsea Football Club at the moment?

There's something rotten in SW6....

Not to worry Valerie. Loz and several others have assured me that none of our current players will want away from Grant (and if they do then they're the one's missing out!). I've have also been told in no uncertain terms that the world's best up and coming young talent will flock to our doors for the opportunity to learn from the great master TWO Israeli league titles and ONE Israeli Cup win (in four attempts).

See, everything is fine.

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Grant is NOT that GOOD.

Israeli titles??.....the EPL is a far higher standard and so far Gant has not a clue on tactics.

Why is it always Clarkey doing the shouting, trying to gee up the players.

Grant yesterday just stood there like a muppet....sorry if i have offended the muppets, while all around him was going wrong.

It is now time to wake up and smell the coffee.

Grant has to go, for the sake of Chelsea Football Club.

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