What should the club do with Avram?

[TomP]

Would be interested to see everyone's thoughts after the Spurs debacle.

[Jimboola69]

Give him until seasons end then kick him upstairs to serve Roman his vodka or somesuch.

4-4...to the Spuds...good lord...

[Qaz]

I ended up voting "keep him till the end of the season then let him go", but I still think a decision shouldn't be made until the end of the season at which time his record at Chelsea should be looked at in its entirety and a thought out, well considered decision should be made.

[bluedeano]

Sack him now = madness

Give him till the end of the season = well he could pull it off.......ok maybe not, but hes got us to this position so should be given the oppo' to finish it off.

Let him build his own team for next season = No thanks, i want a manager that wins us things and is able inspire not only the players but also the fans. I dont think the current one can do either.

[Valerie]

The rest of the season is 8 matches in the Premiership, and a minimum of 2 matches in the Champions League. Kicking Grant out (or upstairs) now is very tempting to me, especially if I can do the kicking. Appointing a new manager immediately is wishful thinking and probably unwise,so it would leave us with Clarke and Ten Cate running the show. Would that be an improvement, considering the belligerent personality of Ten Cate? I'm not sure TBH.

There is also the credibility, or what's left of it, of the club to consider. "Letting go" 2 managers in one season makes us more of a laughing stock than we already are, plus I don't think it will inspire the players.

So let Grant sit it out, it's probably the least of all evils, but please please please find a new manager, a real one, this summer, Roman!

[blizeH]

I've always tried to have in faith in Grant but unfortunately it's really starting to wane now. But, like I said, there's absolutely nothing we can do and the decision will ultimately be with Roman, so until then we may as well support the manager as it's (afaic) the only choice we really have.

[c3blu]

I'd consider lethal injection, maybe the electric chair or at the very least chuck him in the north stand and let us beat our frustration out on him.

[octville]

we know he has lost both domestic cups, that he ain't going to win any big hunt for the rest of the season because i do not fancy him winning the league or lifting the Champion's League, so what bloody different does it make? Sack him, play the rest of the season with a great manager to prepare for 2008-2009.

sack him sack him sack him

[Lofty]

There's not much point in getting rid of him now. The damage has already been done. Get rid at the end of the season.

[dreadis]

Sack him now and leave Clark as manager till then end of season!! He clearly knows the game, club, players and fans much, much better than that moron Grant!!!

It is sad to say that I would love us to win EPL or CL this year, but am subconsciously wanting us to fail only to get rid of AG!!! I just couldn't stand another year under him!

The point is that people say "we only lost few games under his belt", "we didn't loose 15 or so games in a row" bla, bla, bla...It was never his achievement. He didn't introduce anything new in the game. The set-ups are all so familiar to us! However...his substitution skills are something new!!!

IDIOT!!!!

[andy]

Will do no good sacking him now but he has got to go at the end of the season.

Just a question... was the offical club line at gettign ride of Jose, the style of football ?

If yes then they need to be consistent and get rid of Avram. Until the Derby game (doesnt really count Derby were the worst team I have seen at the bridge) and last night, yes exciting for the neutral, wrong result ! - it has been some o the most broing football I have seen the team play.

I actually dont mind the bloke, and we are still in the hunt for the EPL and the CL.... I would be amazed if he won either, but it is not that bad, just not of the quality we would expect. I dont blame him for this, I blame Roman and Kenyon, and the other decision makers. As Geezer posted on another thread, he had a huge act to follow, for whatever the real reason was the club got rid of the best manager in the world today.

You an hear the line now though, Avram was holding the fort until the found a suitable replacement. I am still unsure about this director of football position though, as it ever worked really successfully at another big club ?

[Qaz]

There's not much point in getting rid of him now. The damage has already been done. Get rid at the end of the season.

What damage?...

People were predicting we'd finish 4th and be out of all competitions by now. We've done better than we did under Mourinho in his admittedly few games at the start of the season and results have been pretty good as a whole under difficult circumstances.

You don't think Grant is a good manager, fine, alot (hell, most) people here agree with you. I've been one of Grant's biggest supporters here but even I have my doubts about him, but one thing I don't doubt is that his done reasonably well since taking the reins at Chelsea (better than I or most expected).

I don't expect you to change your opinion on Grant (I get the feeling its set in stone no matter what he does anyway), but I would be suprised if you can't even give him credit for doing a reasonably job against your expectations.

[ethicalstrategy]

There's not much point in getting rid of him now. The damage has already been done. Get rid at the end of the season.

What damage?...

People were predicting we'd finish 4th and be out of all competitions by now. We've done better than we did under Mourinho in his admittedly few games at the start of the season and results have been pretty good as a whole under difficult circumstances.

You don't think Grant is a good manager, fine, alot (hell, most) people here agree with you. I've been one of Grant's biggest supporters here but even I have my doubts about him, but one thing I don't doubt is that his done reasonably well since taking the reins at Chelsea (better than I or most expected).

I don't expect you to change your opinion on Grant (I get the feeling its set in stone no matter what he does anyway), but I would be suprised if you can't even give him credit for doing a reasonably job against your expectations.

He sux. You said it yourself

[Maksimov]

[Lofty]

There's not much point in getting rid of him now. The damage has already been done. Get rid at the end of the season.

What damage?...

People were predicting we'd finish 4th and be out of all competitions by now. We've done better than we did under Mourinho in his admittedly few games at the start of the season and results have been pretty good as a whole under difficult circumstances.

You don't think Grant is a good manager, fine, alot (hell, most) people here agree with you. I've been one of Grant's biggest supporters here but even I have my doubts about him, but one thing I don't doubt is that his done reasonably well since taking the reins at Chelsea (better than I or most expected).

I don't expect you to change your opinion on Grant (I get the feeling its set in stone no matter what he does anyway), but I would be suprised if you can't even give him credit for doing a reasonably job against your expectations.

T h e C a r l i n g C u p F i n a l

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Crap performance after crap performance. I really don't understand you. Your post makes it sound as if it's my problem. Well fine. Grant IS inexperienced. Grant DOES lack ability. The defence last night WAS a shambles. And this IS down to management. We have done better than people expected .. with Grant as manager. .. not better than the club that Chelsea have become with the squad of players that the club has assembled SHOULD be doing.

And you say you suspect my opinion is set in stone? Sorry Qaz, I suspect you've got a screw or three loose. My opinion is based on little disasters like the Carling Cup Final, like the FA Cup exit, like conceding 4 goals last night. Now tell me what you're basing your opinion based on? Come to that what is your opinion? That Grant has done well? That he is a top class manager? That he should be given the chance to acquire all the necessary experience and qualifications before .. before what? Go on Qaz, tell me all about it. Because I'm dying to know exactly what it is that you're basing your opinion on. Whatever that is.

[ethicalstrategy]

There's not much point in getting rid of him now. The damage has already been done. Get rid at the end of the season.

What damage?...

People were predicting we'd finish 4th and be out of all competitions by now. We've done better than we did under Mourinho in his admittedly few games at the start of the season and results have been pretty good as a whole under difficult circumstances.

You don't think Grant is a good manager, fine, alot (hell, most) people here agree with you. I've been one of Grant's biggest supporters here but even I have my doubts about him, but one thing I don't doubt is that his done reasonably well since taking the reins at Chelsea (better than I or most expected).

I don't expect you to change your opinion on Grant (I get the feeling its set in stone no matter what he does anyway), but I would be suprised if you can't even give him credit for doing a reasonably job against your expectations.

T h e C a r l i n g C u p F i n a l

T h e F A C u p e x i t

Crap performance after crap performance. I really don't understand you. Your post makes it sound as if it's my problem. Well fine. Grant IS inexperienced. Grant DOES lack ability. The defence last night WAS a shambles. And this IS down to management. We have done better than people expected .. with Grant as manager. .. not better than the club that Chelsea have become with the squad of players that the club has assembled SHOULD be doing.

And you say you suspect my opinion is set in stone? Sorry Qaz, I suspect you've got a screw or three loose. My opinion is based on little disasters like the Carling Cup Final, like the FA Cup exit, like conceding 4 goals last night. Now tell me what you're basing your opinion based on? Come to that what is your opinion? That Grant has done well? That he is a top class manager? That he should be given the chance to acquire all the necessary experience and qualifications before .. before what? Go on Qaz, tell me all about it. Because I'm dying to know exactly what it is that you're basing your opinion on. Whatever that is.

A point well made. "we haven't done as sh*t as we thought we would" isn't really saying all that much!

[Basarabeanul]

Sacking him at the end of the season, of course. And try to erase him from our memory as quick as possible. Well... Actually try to remember him again when giving a chance to somebody who is not qualifed for the job.

[octville]

The difference between a good and a great manager is that the latter knows when to deliver the goods when it matters.

Hell, i don't care if it is 6-1 over Man City or Derby, i will take 1-0 and 3 points. I just cannot understand why he cannot deliver victories the whole season over Arsenal, Manu, Liverpool, Spurs ( minus the 2-0 win earlier), Everton and Villa.

I just cannot stand the sight of him and am seriously considering cancellation of my cable charges for the rest of Premiership this season.

[Alan]

Let him go at the end of the season.

[g3.7]

the answer is in taxidermy.

[BLUENUT]

the answer is in taxidermy.

well he did stuff us

[quizgod]

Wonders who was the one person who voted for Grant....mmmmmm...still thinking.....will come to me.......promise..........

[Peeking Duck?]

Getting him out now is the best option as it shows the club (Roman in this instance) is willing to admit he made a colossal mistake in appointing his mate. This would show maturity from the club and an eagerness to learn from past mistakes which could be crucial in recrutiing new players, or keeping the ones we have who we know are capable of performing at a higher level. Keeping Grant until the end of the season is only papering over the cracks in a vain attempt to save face. We certainly will do no worse without him.

[callista]

Phew! Voted with the majority then, keep Grant until the end of the season and then scout around for a new manager.

Of course if he wins us the P/L or C/L....

I do sort of also lean towards the view that perhaps he should be given another season to show what he can do with his own players brought in rather than Mourinho's team.

That said, seeing the cock ups he makes with Mourinho's team perhaps I don't want to see what he would do making cock ups with an untested one!

Still I want to try and be fair to the guy if I can and so right now I can't say I'm definitely decided on the matter but I ended up voting for where my inclinations are currently at after the Spurs draw (which lets face it should have been won).

[Qaz]

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I can cherry pick results too...

I could pick a bunch of results to make Mourinho look like a crap manager if I wanted. Does it make him a bad manager?, hell no, but anyone can cherry pick results to make a point. You wanna argue about his overall record, good, but if you just going to cherry pick X of Y result, then it's difficult to take you opinions seriously.

And you say you suspect my opinion is set in stone? Sorry Qaz, I suspect you've got a screw or three loose. My opinion is based on little disasters like the Carling Cup Final, like the FA Cup exit, like conceding 4 goals last night. Now tell me what you're basing your opinion based on? Come to that what is your opinion? That Grant has done well? That he is a top class manager? That he should be given the chance to acquire all the necessary experience and qualifications before .. before what? Go on Qaz, tell me all about it. Because I'm dying to know exactly what it is that you're basing your opinion on. Whatever that is.

You want to know what my opinion is based on?, it's based on this...

Played: 40

Won: 28

Drew: 9

Lost: 4

Thats Team Grant's record in all competitions since taking control at Chelsea. Given the amount of upheavel, injuries, players missing through ACN duties, etc, etc. MOST people on this forum would admit its a pretty decent record and alot better than most people (you included?) predicted when Team Grant took over.

Now you can cherry pick out X or Y result and come up with a million subjective reasons as to why Avram Grant is THE worst manager on the planet. But what I have posted is objective, that is Team Grant's actual record.

I like you Lofty (dispite the fact you just accused me of having a screw loose), your a very passionate fan and I can respect that, but I think it's clear that your emotions override your logic in moments of passion and anger over a bad result clouds your judgement about the big picture. For example...

Crap performance after crap performance.

Now if you were thinking straight when you wrote that you'd know we backed up the Carling Cup Final loss with a 4-0 win over West Ham or that after the FA Cup game Barnsley we beat Derby 6-1. But in the emotion of your post, you've forgotten that.