Manure get more lenient reffing

[Backbiter]

In view of the outrageous decisions Manure keep getting their favour I think we need to log them properly over the season before submitting a file to the DPP who can investigate them formally for corruption and match-fixing etc.

Here's why (quote from Oct 5th):

Four games, 4 refs, 4 decisions:

1. Vidic hacks down Keane when through on goal. Obvious red, only yellow given.

2. Riley awards foul against Ferdinand with 20 secs left of minimum 3 mins. Ferdinand goes mental in extreme show of dissent warranting second yellow. Great opportunity on edge of box for us to score winner. Riley bottles it and blows up early to avoid giving red card and to prevent any chance of us scoring a late winner.

3. Jlloyd Samuel executes perfect tackle in box on Ronaldo. Bizarre pen awarded.

4. Vidic takes out Blackburn keeper with accidental elbow to jaw, preventing him claiming a cros. Ball hits Brown and goes in. No free kick awarded.

If you add in the last game of last season at Wigan when Scholes should have gone in the 1st half with the score 0-0, that's 5 major reffing errors in their favour in 7 games. I won't even mention the CL final.

OK, I will, when the ref ignored this grotesque challenge (and the linesman flagged then put it down):

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/81189730....84831B75F48EF45

Then in the CL in midweeek, two offside goals awarded to Berbatov

And now today (haven't seen it myself yet, but MoTD will probably censor the footage so as not to upset Fergie again)

QUOTE (loz @ Oct 25 2008, 15:56 PM) *

Isn't deliberately enticing the opposition fans supposed to be a bookable offence or do we save that for the really provocative situations like celebrating with your own fans or removing yous shirt! Rooney was already on a yellow and should have been sent off.

Same game, posted by dkw:

ex man utd player micky thomas says united were very lucky to finish the game with 11 men after vidic,brown and rooney could have all been shown the red card brown and vidic for fouls being the last defender and rooney for a one fingered salute after already being booked.

Edited October 25, 2008 by Backbiter

[BlueBeard]

Anyone remember this? Yet another absolutley disgraceful decision...

The good news is that it was against the scum from N17

[clubhappy]

You can add Fergie's outrageous comments claiming the referee didnt protect his players .

[Backbiter]

You can add Fergie's outrageous comments claiming the referee didnt protect his players .

And now this from Fergie:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/no...erguson-charged

In view of his previous he should get a lengthy touchline ban. How the hell he can question the Hull pen I'll never know.

And to add to my extensive catalogue of ref's decisions going Manure's way: last night Ronaldo kicked a Celtic player 2 feet from the linesman. Blatant red card, nothing given. A few minutes later his shot leads to Manure's equaliser.

[Backbiter]

On Saturday, having been outpaced by Agbonlahor, Vidic grabbed him repeatedly from behind, eventually bringing him down just inside the box. Clear penalty and straight red, no question. Nothing given. Manure scrape a point.

[Backbiter]

Rooney committed a straight-red offence last night. Strangely the ref took no action.

Edited December 11, 2008 by Backbiter

[Barn]

It would only be interesting if you're bitter and twisted like Neil Warnock, if you believe that the best team wins at the end of the season then it will just drive you mad.

[loz]

Rooney committed a straight-red offence last night. Strangely the ref took no action. Add this to the astonishing list of favourable decisions they've been getting.

I've been logging these in a thread on one of the forums but can't find it. Anyone know where it's gone? (I expect Loz and Mod will know). It would be nice to track these decisions all season.

It will be back in two minutes

[loz]

Backbiter - your original post has been merged with the new one - all posts in here now.

[Backbiter]

Backbiter - your original post has been merged with the new one - all posts in here now.

Cheers Loz - will keep highlighting the dodgy decisions they get every other game!

[The Moos]

Rooney committed a straight-red offence last night. Strangely the ref took no action.

I read about that too but apparently they will look into this offence. In other words: Nothing will happen :huh:

[Englishman]

Another episode which I don't recall being mentioned (sorry if it has). During the melee in the Champions League final which saw Drogba sent off, Owen Hargreaves bellowed something at the ref and shoved him in the back quite hard, in full view of the referee's assistant. I always thought a player raising his hands to an official was illegal, but it seems not.

[Backbiter]

Another episode which I don't recall being mentioned (sorry if it has). During the melee in the Champions League final which saw Drogba sent off, Owen Hargreaves bellowed something at the ref and shoved him in the back quite hard, in full view of the referee's assistant. I always thought a player raising his hands to an official was illegal, but it seems not.

Yes, that was mentioned at the time. Quite astonishing, but understandable in view of how the final was refereed.

While Manure get away with loads, and Liverpool get given 2 goals that should have been disallowed v Hull (yes, but they were in front of the Kop, and you can't upset those people, can you?)we get the most offside goal of the season given against us v Arse and a blatant pen not given v WHU.

We have the consolation that this always evens itself over the course of a season, and this thread will ensure that it does.

Edited December 14, 2008 by Backbiter

[BLUENUT]

This week - Ronaldo kicked out and caught Dawson on the leg, similar to the Beckham sending off against Argentina. If the Spurs defenders reacted then the player could have / should have walked, but he didn't go down or over react. But to me, if you kick out at the opposition, off the ball, and the ref has seen it, then unfortunately the card has to be red.

[Backbiter]

This week - Ronaldo kicked out and caught Dawson on the leg, similar to the Beckham sending off against Argentina. If the Spurs defenders reacted then the player could have / should have walked, but he didn't go down or over react. But to me, if you kick out at the opposition, off the ball, and the ref has seen it, then unfortunately the card has to be red.

Haven't seen it myself. Will take a look tonight, but the news is that the ref has reviewed it and decided that even if he had seen it he wouldn't have sent him off. I can't comment, obviously, but if it's as described it's another outrageous bit of leniency.

[bonetti]

Haven't seen it myself. Will take a look tonight, but the news is that the ref has reviewed it and decided that even if he had seen it he wouldn't have sent him off. I can't comment, obviously, but if it's as described it's another outrageous bit of leniency.

FA decides against Ronaldo action

Cristiano Ronaldo

Man Utd's Cristiano Ronaldo will escape FA punishment

Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo will not face disciplinary action after appearing to kick out at Spurs defender Michael Dawson at White Hart Lane.

The Football Association contacted referee Mike Dean, who took no action during Saturday's goalless draw.

An FA spokesman said: "Having reviewed footage, he has confirmed he would not have sent the player off for violent conduct had he seen it.

"On that basis, no further action will be taken."

[bonetti]

I read about that too but apparently they will look into this offence. In other words: Nothing will happen :D

Dead right - UEFA have confirmed no action will be taken

[charierre]

Not seen the Rooney though everyone Ive spoke to about it have said it wasn't deliberate. The Ronaldo incident was petulant in the least, a def booking and if he had been sent off he wouldn't have had much argument. I think the reason why it was overlooked is that it is the same referee that Ferguson had the spat with on the pitch and received his 2 match touchline ban for, Mike Dean , who decided he didnt want any more confrontation with Ferguson and so said he wouldn't have sent him off. the FA's hands were then tied.

[Backbiter]

Not seen the Rooney though everyone Ive spoke to about it have said it wasn't deliberate. The Ronaldo incident was petulant in the least, a def booking and if he had been sent off he wouldn't have had much argument. I think the reason why it was overlooked is that it is the same referee that Ferguson had the spat with on the pitch and received his 2 match touchline ban for, Mike Dean , who decided he didnt want any more confrontation with Ferguson and so said he wouldn't have sent him off. the FA's hands were then tied.

Just watched the Ronaldo incident. He could have had a red on the day if the ref or linesman had spotted it - as Bluenut says, it was comparable to the flick that got Beckham sent off in the 98 world cup. But I'm not surprised there'll be no retrospective action, as it was pretty minor and hardly violent. Just petulant.

The Rooney stamp was just one of several things he could have been done for, and it looked pretty deliberate to me. The bloke is a total idiot who gets away with murder and is indulged by refs. Again, no big surprise that UEFA will do nothing. It's only our players who ever get done by UEFA.

[dkw]

Just watched the Ronaldo incident. He could have had a red on the day if the ref or linesman had spotted it - as Bluenut says, it was comparable to the flick that got Beckham sent off in the 98 world cup. But I'm not surprised there'll be no retrospective action, as it was pretty minor and hardly violent. Just petulant.

The Rooney stamp was just one of several things he could have been done for, and it looked pretty deliberate to me. The bloke is a total idiot who gets away with murder and is indulged by refs. Again, no big surprise that UEFA will do nothing. It's only our players who ever get done by UEFA.

the stamp was the least of what he did in that game, the straight leg foul on a defender was easily the worst. that was a leg breaker, and if it had ben essien he would have been vilified by the media for weeks, wih sky etc telling uefa they wanted at least a 3 month ban for it. the sh*t utd seem able to get away with is becoming a joke.

[andy]

I know for sure, they are in Japan.. probably will play their second team for the whole tournament and effectively give their first team a rest....

That is very bloody lenient if you ask me

[bonetti]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo....html?ITO=1490

The untouchables: United get away with it again after reprieves for Ronaldo and Rooney

What a surprise. Manchester 'Teflon' United get away with it again.

Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney have both escaped bans for blatant indiscipline from two pathetically weak organisations - the FA and UEFA.

The FA kicked things off, deciding not to take any action against Ronaldo for blatantly kicking out at Tottenham's Michael Dawson on Saturday. Laughably, referee Mike Dean reviewed footage of the incident and claimed he wouldn't have sent off the Portuguese winker anyway.

If that's the case, Dean should never referee another game of football. Ronaldo clearly kicks Dawson off the ball - unquestionably a red card offence. Remember David Beckham's tame flick at Diego Simeone at the 1998 World Cup? Only the most blinkered England fan would argue against Kim Milton Neilsen's decision in St. Etienne that saw Beckham rightly sent off. The two offences are all but identical.

There is absolutely no doubt that Ronaldo should have received his second red card of the season at White Hart Lane. So why didn't the FA act? Could it be because of the fuss Alex Ferguson made when Ronaldo was sent off at Manchester City last month?

The irascible United boss somehow managed to keep a straight face when defending Ronaldo's handball in the Manchester derby, claiming his star player was trying to protect his face! Or was it that he was pushed? Or did he hear a whistle? Fergie seemed unable to make up his mind, but was certain about one thing - United had been victimised again.

Only idiots - or United fans - nodded in agreement. If there's one club that get all the decisions, all the luck and all the injury-time ('Fergie time') they want to score that vital winner or equaliser, it's United.

And yet, Ferguson seems to think the world (and his dog, no doubt) is against his club. When full-back Patrice Evra received an FA ban last week for brawling on the Stamford Bridge pitch, Ferguson responded to the suspension with a quite wonderful quote.

He said: 'After all the things the FA have done to us down the years that was one of their biggest. I could not believe it.'

Tremendous. The Premier League pensioner must have chuckled away to himself at that one.

But compared to the ineptitude consistently shown by UEFA, European football's spineless governing body, the FA appear mildly competent.

UEFA'S failure to punish Wayne Rooney for stamping on Aalborg's Kasper Risgaard really is baffling.

Had it been Risgaard on Rooney, the Dane would probably have received a two game ban and missed both legs of Aalborg's UEFA Cup last 32 tie.

But seeming as United are defending champions of Europe and Rooney is one of the star names in the competition, UEFA have brushed the incident under the carpet.

The funny thing about Rooney's latest show of petulance is that it wasn't even his worst moment of indiscipline in that match. His challenge on Michael Jakobsen was pre-mediated, cynical and completely indefensible.

The United man has no interest in reaching the ball first, instead focusing his attention on the Danish defender. Rooney's 'challenge' on Jakobsen was nothing short of a disgrace and undoubtedly deserved a ban. He makes absolutely no attempt to play the ball, preferring to kick out at an opponent rather than win possession.

If Rooney was on the receiving end of such a challenge during next summer's World Cup there would be uproar. But ofcourse, Fergie blames the media for highlighting the incident. You couldn't make it up.

Ferguson can prattle on all he likes about how his club and players are victimised, but any football fan with a modicum of sense knows the first rule of football.

One rule for United, another for the rest.

Edited December 16, 2008 by bonetti

[Englishman]

the stamp was the least of what he did in that game, the straight leg foul on a defender was easily the worst. that was a leg breaker, and if it had ben essien he would have been vilified by the media for weeks, wih sky etc telling uefa they wanted at least a 3 month ban for it. the sh*t utd seem able to get away with is becoming a joke.

Nice little compilation of Rooney's antics that night.

http://www.offthepost.info/2008/12/footbal...stamp-incident/

[The Moos]

Nice little compilation of Rooney's antics that night.

http://www.offthepost.info/2008/12/footbal...stamp-incident/

After seing that compilation there's no doubt in my mind that Rooney should have been sent off. If not for the stamp then atleast for the straight leg foul he made. And lets not forget the smaller things he did which could should have been rewarded with a yellow card.

It's depressing to see how a team can be let off this easily. Pathetic.

If someone at Chelsea would have done the things Rooney did - no matter if it's Lampard or Terry even - I would have been ashamed and would not have minded a ban for our player.

[charierre]

Just a thought by the cynic in me, could it be that Man U decided against appealing the Evra decision for a favourable result on the Ronaldo incident?