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I agree he has ultimately failed. I just disagree with the notion that it is all his fault and its as simple as making attacking changes to change the defend first mentaltiy that largely came about cause everyone was fatigued.

Tuchel there complaining that our DNA doesnt want to take the ball and control it, after leaving behind all the English players that can take the ball and control it and taking Henderson along to do quizzes and magic shows.

There's some blame to share. Neither Tuchel nor the England team are top drawer. Here is an article I can agree on: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jul/16/thomas-tuchel-england-2026-world-cup-semi-final-exit-argentina

Sorry, yes, leaving on a loan - Marc Guiu will be a loan also . Badiashille is the player who will be representing the bomb squad.

Its literally the reason he was brought in, he himself said that was his job, he failed completely and just gave up on it. Bear in mind this was the next game after he had praised the players incredible mental strength after the Mexico and Norway games.

Hasn't Kellyman already agreed a further loan for this season?

BBC SportWorld Cup 2026: England squad debating Tuchel's tactics a...BBC Sport understands that Thomas Tuchel's defensive tactics in the World Cup semi-final defeat to Argentina are being hotly debated by the England squad.I don't remember seeing him on the touchline screaming at the players to get forward. He gave up any attacking impetus and threat we had with his substitutions until we went behind. Then he decided to go all Wimblebomb slinging balls into Toney and Burn up front. If Southgate had done it he would rightly have been distroyed again. On Tuchel 100% totally.

I am well aware Tuchel has been defensive in the past however I am focusing entirely on this game and not letting previous things cloud my judgement. I believe it because it's what I saw play out. I did not see Tuchel instructing the players to sit back as soon as they scored, nor did he change the system to facilitate that. Tuchel said it wasn't the plan. Guehi and Kane both commented on how the team sat back straight after scoring and how it was a mentality issue. You can argue its the manager's job to change that mindset and instill confidence to attack but it's extremely difficult to change that mentality once it has already sunk in, better managers than Tuchel complain about the team sitting too deep against their wishes on a weekly basis in leagues around the world. It's not a light switch you can just turn on and off. He realised it wasn't going to change after getting pinned back for like 20 mins after scoring so did what was best from what he had available to help the team defensively. Like I've said multiple times now, the only issue with his subs was that he didn't take Kane off for another striker which resulted in every ball forward coming back to us instantly with no room to breathe and reorganise the defence.

Behave.

already worried sat here before watching all these players come in and go out and window after window watch the team get weaker and weaker. Waited for the first team signings that never come. XA is not a miracle worker, Gusto likely to go we have the Eggo Fernandez issue to resolve Delap? Jackson? So much work to do. They have clearly missed out on a couple of his targets with penny pinching bids which wouldn’t be a problem if we weren’t still dropping £40-50m on 19-21 yr olds after one good season. I wonder what the 5 SD’s do all day. I mean seriously what must their average day be like?? A few phone calls? A Lunch meeting somewhere? Then it’s off to suck off Jorge Mendes and home before 4pm.

Whenever Garnacho starts appearing in the training photos after his prolonged rest.

Spence who had been down with cramp and looked completely shot for 10 minutes before, who should have been taken off well before then? Yeah, cant think why.

He was complaining about why neither O'Reilly nor Spence was tight to Messi when he delivered the cross.

The team heads off to Australia next week. First preseason game in 10 days. They have done nothing but weaken the squad by losing Cucurella, Chalobah, and Santos. When do we begin to worry?

I`m amazed you actually believethis is what happened, especially after seeing the way we played under him which was to retreat deep and compact whenever we took a lead in big games. Its literally his game plan.

Hes saying our players didnt control the ball yet he left at home several players that can do just that at the highest level, and instead took players to create a nice atmosphere. Its all non him, whether its the squad selection or the shockingly bad subs hes made over the past 3 games. He used the interval to set up completely differently and deep, then took off the only attacking outlet we had for another defender. Theres absolutely no excuses for him.

So at the beginning of this week every player not on international duty has reported back to Cobham, except: • Garnacho • Disasi • Badiashile • Guiu • Kellyman • Datro Fofana • Caleb Wiley so it is fair to say these are the players leaving. I am also guessing Mudryck didn't report back.

Well, i am just saying that WE should sign him. Glen Hoddle and JFH have been quoted in the press for suggesting the same. I think Stones would be a useful addition to the team/squad and he wouldnt come with a 50 million quid price tag.

Think he’s a good player and would be good to see under a better manager. Was influential the other day and nice goal also. That aside, know your audience. Not the first time he can’t get out of his own way during an international tournament. The social media posts after are insulting. When others go low you should go high - Enzo’s not capable of that mentality. Immature. Think the clubs probably better off without him - first time I’ve said that.

Caught up in the emotion of the occasion. Poor behavior. Willing to give him a chance though - we all learn.

For every cloud...

What’s that got to do with me? That isn’t Chelsea football club.

Often wondered does a footballer playing for the Netherlands get a Dutch cap ?

Never heard of him. Doesn't seem very good particularly. Lots of money. So, no.