Carlo and Scolari - difference is what?

[ws6blue]

don't want to be over critical but I am not convinced he is any better than bigphil................examples;

1. makes far to many changes match to match

2. brings in someone for a key role (deco today) who is not match fit or on form

3. diamond only.....................no backup system

4. sticks to big name players who arent doing it any more - deco, ballack

5. bloods youngsters but for only 1 game?..............no way to step up

6. not backing joey so gives him bit parts only - surely he still has the class

7. not a single winger anywhere in cobham or sw6

8. defending set pieces as bad as last year, keeper not commanding

thats enough but this isn't just a rant

[Phillip]

This is a joke, right?

If it isn't, you don't have a clue (unless of course you are about 11 years old, which I expect is the case, and thus you are given a pass).

P.S. If you are going to post a new thread, and if you are new to the forum, please work extra hard in spelling the thread topic correctly, since there is no "h" is Big Phil's last name.

Edited January 23, 2010 by Phillip

[ws6blue]

and which bit is the joke?..................take yer blindfold off mate and smell the coffee!

we're not as good as we think we are

[german-blue]

and which bit is the joke?..................take yer blindfold off mate and smell the coffee!

we're not as good as we think we are

Can understand some of the points but :

"3. diamond only.....................no backup system"

did you watch the last matches ?

"6. not backing joey so gives him bit parts only - surely he still has the class"

He always praised Joe when he was talking about him.

[BigIzz]

How exactly is Deco supposed to get match fit without playing matches? Shall he wait to debut him against Arsenal in the Premier League or give him a start against a team in a lower division in a lower priority competition?

[mad_mac]

don't want to be over critical but I am not convinced he is any better than bigphil................examples;

1. makes far to many changes match to match

2. brings in someone for a key role (deco today) who is not match fit or on form

3. diamond only.....................no backup system

4. sticks to big name players who arent doing it any more - deco, ballack

5. bloods youngsters but for only 1 game?..............no way to step up

6. not backing joey so gives him bit parts only - surely he still has the class

7. not a single winger anywhere in cobham or sw6

8. defending set pieces as bad as last year, keeper not commanding

thats enough but this isn't just a rant

1. Would agree he's done it once or twice, but to be honest untill injuries forced him, or our schedule makes him think about it, I don't think he's been that bad.

2. Has to get match fit, so need to play matches, and the role today was for either Deco or Joe Cole. In hindsight he made the correct choice as it alowed deco to play deep once Belletti was injured.

3. Not true at all. He's played the diamond, a Christmas tree, and a 4-3-3

4. Agreed sumewhat, but ballack is a world class player, and who would you rather he played?

5. I think if he played too many youngsters at once, he'd be damned for that too. At least we are starting to see some of the kids make the team. We are fortunate enough that we now have kids close to making the grade.

6. Joey has been injured and out of form, he has been complimentary of Joe when he's played, but at the same time, Joe is not in the best form this season so why should he stick by him?

7. If he doesn't play wingers, then why? Also, Tore can play there, Kakuta can play there, and there are many others that can adapt. Bt if Carlo doesn't play wingers, then why should we have any?

8. That's a case for Cech and the Keeping staff to sort out (on the keeping front) but yes I agree we have been suspect on set pieces again... at least Carlo is putting people on the posts.

Scott

[dkw]

don't want to be over critical but I am not convinced he is any better than bigphil................examples;

1. makes far to many changes match to match

2. brings in someone for a key role (deco today) who is not match fit or on form

3. diamond only.....................no backup system

4. sticks to big name players who arent doing it any more - deco, ballack

5. bloods youngsters but for only 1 game?..............no way to step up

6. not backing joey so gives him bit parts only - surely he still has the class

7. not a single winger anywhere in cobham or sw6

8. defending set pieces as bad as last year, keeper not commanding

thats enough but this isn't just a rant

i tell you what, you do that exact same rant for a certain Portugese bloke how used to manage us, see how many of them points fit with him too. then come back and create a "carlo and jose - difference is what" thread.

[Alakuu]

don't want to be over critical but I am not convinced he is any better than bigphil................examples;

1. makes far to many changes match to match

2. brings in someone for a key role (deco today) who is not match fit or on form

3. diamond only.....................no backup system

4. sticks to big name players who arent doing it any more - deco, ballack

5. bloods youngsters but for only 1 game?..............no way to step up

6. not backing joey so gives him bit parts only - surely he still has the class

7. not a single winger anywhere in cobham or sw6

8. defending set pieces as bad as last year, keeper not commanding

thats enough but this isn't just a rant

Have patience in OUR manager, and stop being the kind of disruptive fan that expects instant success, "easily sorted" by sacking managers. Does Ancelotti keep moral high? Yes. Do we lose our stamina in the last 20mins of the game? No. Does he play a tactic that is easily countered by playing counter attacks? No. Does Ancelotti ignore Drogba's talent? No. I fail to see how in ANY WAY, that Scolari is anything like Carlo

Edited January 24, 2010 by Alakuu

[Phillip]

Thank you, Alakuu, for expressing what I wanted to say in my earlier post. These windups just make me MAD!

And what's up with his login name, isn't Chelsea in SW6, not WS6?

He does not seem to have a clue at all.

[Chippy]

Can't see any difference myself

[Sasserfrazz]

thats enough but this isn't just a rant

No it's not. It's a joke.

[Ruh Buh Juh]

I'm sure I posted in this thread before...

Regarding point 3 - how many times did you see a certain Mr. Mourinho change formation from 4-3-3? That didn't do too badly if I recall.

[bjd]

very poor thread/wind up , i'll go for 6 out of 10

[evissy]

don't want to be over critical but I am not convinced he is any better than bigphil................examples;

1. makes far to many changes match to match

2. brings in someone for a key role (deco today) who is not match fit or on form

3. diamond only.....................no backup system

4. sticks to big name players who arent doing it any more - deco, ballack

5. bloods youngsters but for only 1 game?..............no way to step up

6. not backing joey so gives him bit parts only - surely he still has the class

7. not a single winger anywhere in cobham or sw6

8. defending set pieces as bad as last year, keeper not commanding

thats enough but this isn't just a rant

1. BigPhil made no changes between matches. He always played Deco. Even when he sucked and we lost.

2. I think Deco is experienced enough to play against Preston and be in a decisive role. If it was ManU I think Deco wouldn't have played. And as I remember he was good in the game.

3. 4-3-3 against Sunderland and Preston.

4. Deco's not played that much. Ballack's been good most of the season.

5. Have used youngsters most from our recent managerial history. Borini, Kakuta, Huchinson and now Sturridge is really breaking in to good form.

6. Not backing Joey??? So you haven't really watched the games. Actually this is the most irritating thing about Carlo. He has given nothing but chances to Joey so he gets to WC even

with gambling on Chelsea's success. Although I'm not too sour about this as I know Joey will hit the form sooner or later and then it comes good for Chelsea.

7. Malouda, Zhirkov, Joey, Anelka and Kalou when needed. I agree that only the first two can be classified as wingers but that fact haven't really let us down this season. Last season,

different story.

8. This is the only part I totally agree with you.

And to comment the topic and especially the subtitle.. You just mentioned the most important thing Carlo has brought with him what differs him most distinctively from Phil.

Players want to play for him!! He is a smart man he has character and leadership.

[bluevale2]

Thank you, Alakuu, for expressing what I wanted to say in my earlier post. These windups just make me MAD!

And what's up with his login name, isn't Chelsea in SW6, not WS6?

He does not seem to have a clue at all.

Yes thanks Alakuu that's saved me some typing!

I think WS6 is in Walsall

[ws6blue]

interesting feedback...........but not really meant as a rant as its a genuine point of view - couple of points in response;

1. remember phil started well too then it fell apart when he lost support from the big-boys...........this year we have been better against our rivals so far but compare where we are now versus last Jan and very similar

2. still stick with too many changes point

3. ws6 is near walsall................

4. still stick with diamond point as other than couple matches where he switched for a while its been 95%, remember wigan and villa away and we were out manouvred tactically and he couldn't change it

5. yes agree that some of forwards can play wide but he depends on the fullbacks and their crosses - which is ok if we get the room, but I prefer to have that option available

6. jose hardly changed the team at all, and used fewer players - he also stood by Joey and got the dividends

7. agree he has given some youngsters the odd game but couple of em really look decent (brouma for one)

8. ballack point - well I don't see what he has delivered this season at all - he is one paced and does not influence the game, he sweeps about and plays it short or x the pitch - Challenge to anyone to tell me what he gives the team

cheers

[Virosh]

I do respect your effort to stick by your point. I really do. Just pick a valid point first. :)

[mad_mac]

6. jose hardly changed the team at all, and used fewer players - he also stood by Joey and got the dividends

Loo, we all loved Jose, but I think you are reminiscing with a slightly tainted viewpoint about jose's love of Joe Cole. Jose used to yell at Joe if he even tried a trick, he also subbed him after about 17 minutes in one game, so I don't think he had as much out and out spport for joe as you seem to think.

[jcm28]

Carlo wins against big teams. Scolari? not so much.

[DetroitBlue]

Carlo also wins CLs and has a proven track record.

[Barry Bridges]

The differneces?

TO sum it up, 1 is having EPL/CL success(already succeeded at CL elsewhere), the other one did not.

But to be fair, from what Ive heard, the biggest differnce is that 1 actually plays the role of a manager, the other one tried to bea friend more than a manager. I heard Scolari's training sessions were a joke, and if you dont train hard, you wont win crap, no matter the talent you have.

Why do you think JM was so successful? Cause he made Chelsea train harder than any other team in the league!