Fabregas is top with 12 assists.

Then Sigurdsson with 8

Baines, di Maria, Tadic and Downing with 6

Then Oscar is level with Milner and Sanchez with 5.

Considering Fabregas's impressive assist count you really can't snort at how prolific Oscar has been.

Key passes is a meaningless statistic to me, your claiming Hazard creates more chances but Oscar is ahead of him on assists which is surely what counts?

Fabregas is top with 12 assists.

Then Sigurdsson with 8

Baines, di Maria, Tadic and Downing with 6

Then Oscar is level with Milner and Sanchez with 5.

Considering Fabregas's impressive assist count you really can't snort at how prolific Oscar has been.

Key passes is a meaningless statistic to me, your claiming Hazard creates more chances but Oscar is ahead of him on assists which is surely what counts?

Key passes is a more meaningful statistic than assists, actually, though there are key passes and then there are key passes that deserved to be converted into a goal but weren't. I think we, as fans who watch every Chelsea game, shouldn't need stats to notice how few goal-scoring passes Oscar and Willian make in every game. I can remember good chances created by Hazard and Fabregas practically in every Chelsea game without straining my memory.

Are you saying you consider Oscar more creative than Hazard only because he has more assists than Hazard? That would be very misleading. In Fabregas's case, his assists stat isn't misleading because he actually leads the League in chances created too. But in Oscar's case, there's very little correlation between the two stats.

How many of those assists come from corners, which Oscar doesn't take?

 

Fact is that Fabregas is our best playmaker and gets more touches so you'd expect him to get more key passes and assists. Oscar plays a different role and does it superbly in my opinion complimenting the other two nicely. Don't tend to agree with him being dropped for Mikel but Mourinho is overly cautious sometimes so it's not surprising.

How many of those assists come from corners, which Oscar doesn't take?

 

Fact is that Fabregas is our best playmaker and gets more touches so you'd expect him to get more key passes and assists. Oscar plays a different role and does it superbly in my opinion complimenting the other two nicely. Don't tend to agree with him being dropped for Mikel but Mourinho is overly cautious sometimes so it's not surprising.

It's not about assists, as I said. It's about chances created. 

Fabregas is our best playmaker, yes, but unlike Oscar and  Willian, he plays deeper than them and is more limited by his position. He can't attack as freely as they can, and it's not all right that he still has most assists from open play in our team. Logically, he shouldn't have most assists and chances created in our team. If you look at the top assisters in the league, most of them are AMs and wingers, not CMs who play in the pivot. Attacking midfielders are the ones who are supposed to attack and create most goal-scoring chances, not a pivot midfielder who is supposed to be mainly responsible for distributing the ball.

Edited December 27, 201411 yr by Ward

It's not about assists, as I said. It's about chances created. 

Fabregas is our best playmaker, yes, but unlike Oscar and  Willian, he plays deeper than them and is more limited by his position. 

 

Actually Oscar tends to drop deep too but that's just because of the fluid system we have in the middle.

 

 Logically, he shouldn't have most assists and chances created in our team

 

Disagree with that massively considering he tends to have most touches and he's one of the best playmakers in Europe.

 

Attacking midfielders are the ones who are supposed to attack and create most goal-scoring chances, not a pivot midfielder who is supposed to be mainly responsible for distributing the ball.

 

Massively simplistic way of looking at the way we set up isn't it? Fabregas tends to drift forward, tends to have a huge number of touches just outside the area and the team is set up for him to be able to pull those strings. Oscar facilitates that in my opinion which is why I tend not to give a flying f**k about who gets the key pass or assist - they're a unit.

The bloke is a nothing midfielder, a true disgrace to all no.10s around the world, imagine being a 10 and your main strength is your 'work rate' the lad was absolute sh*te last season when he had reponsiblity now that Cesc has taken the creative burnden off his shoulders, and now he is 'good' again yeah? fickle bunch Chelsea fans aye. Kid is a fraud but he is a Jose type of player, water carrier for Cesc, does all his dirty work for him and allows him to express himself. In other words he is Cesc's personal B****

Edited December 27, 201411 yr by ThierryHenry

The bloke is a nothing midfielder, a true disgrace all no.10s around the world, imagine being a 10 and your main strength is your 'work rate' the lad was absolute sh*te leason when he had reponsiblity now that Cesc has come in and taken the creative burnden off his shoulders he is 'good' again yeah? fickle bunch Chelsea fans aye. Kid is a fraud but he is a Jose type of player water carrier does Cesc dirty work for him and allows him to express himself. In other words he is Cesc's personal B****

What the hell is an Arsenal supporter doing on this forum?

 

Piss off back to Arsenal Mania or even better go onto Arsenal Fan TV after an Arsenal match so we can continue to be entertained! Pathetic club that contains players far worse than Oscar! 

Edited December 27, 201411 yr by Jezz

Show some respect, people love hearing educated people speak and just shut everyone up...knowledge is always the loudest voice and quiet frankly that voice is always mine. Hear to inject this forum with much needed knowledge and truth bombs.

 

IQ. Add some points to it. Mate.

I'm literally laughing at your post! You proclaim to be an educated and knowledgeable person ahead of the rest of us yet your vocabulary and punctuation wasn't up to scratch in your rant about Oscar.

 

What did you expect to happen? You're an Arsenal supporter who openly rants and abuses one of our players and you didn't think people wouldn't bite back at you.

 

Now sod off!

I'm literally laughing at your post! You proclaim to be an educated and knowledgeable person ahead of the rest of us yet your vocabulary and punctuation wasn't up to scratch in your rant about Oscar.

 

What did you expect to happen? You're an Arsenal supporter who openly rants and abuses one of our players and you didn't think people wouldn't bite back at you.

 

Now sod off!

Forum is an informal platform, I normally rush my posts and don't look back, abusing? you can't take criticism can you, weird bunch. I give my own players just as much stick, Oscar is a fraud, face it. So what if I'm a gooner, why can't I join the forum?

Edited December 27, 201411 yr by ThierryHenry

We can't take criticism? Seriously what are you smoking?

 

Most people are critical of the players or coach at some point or another but rather than aimlessly posting without any evidence most people criticise by being articulate and providing evidence or examples as to why a player deserves such criticism. 

We can't take criticism? Seriously what are you smoking?

 

Most people are critical of the players or coach at some point or another but rather than aimlessly posting without any evidence most people criticise by being articulate and providing evidence or examples as to why a player deserves such criticism. 

Evidence? wasn't last season enough? his season before as well. You wasn't close to competing with him being the heart of your creativity, now Cesc has taken the burden off him he is okay and being overrated by your fans as per. He is basically a white Ramires, but Ramires isn't a no.10 so I can't criticise him. On top of that bloke basically won the CL for you. Yeah back to Oscar he will never be the main man or the 2nd man, will always be a sideman in the squad who helps others express themselves. Unsung Hero? that would be a kind way of putting it, believe me.

How good is he.....man of the match against England.

 

 

Erm....Jack Wilshere was the best player on the field that night by some distance lol

His work rate yesterday was absolutely ridiculous, he never stopped running.

 

:laugh2: My Point exactly, that is his best attribute and he is a 10 lmaoo

Evidence? wasn't last season enough? his season before as well. You wasn't close to competing with him being the heart of your creativity, now Cesc has taken the burden off him he is okay and being overrated by your fans as per. He is basically a white Ramires, but Ramires isn't a no.10 so I can't criticise him. On top of that bloke basically won the CL for you. Yeah back to Oscar he will never be the main man or the 2nd man, will always be a sideman in the squad who helps others express themselves. Unsung Hero? that would be a kind way of putting it, believe me.

Oscar had a decent first season at the club and showed glimpses of what he was truly capable. The champions league game against Juventus in September 2012 demonstrated the talent he possessed at the time. However he was still trying to find his feet in the English game and transition into the fastest league in the world. After all he hadn't played in Europe beforehand. 

 

Oscar's first half of 2013-2014 was outstanding. He was the leading number 10 and linked up well with Hazard and Willian. In the process he impressed Jose enough that Mata somehow couldn't break into the side after that. Oscar's second half of the season was ordinary but I feel like a lot of that came down to the fact that he was more motivated by the upcoming World Cup and hence he may have not gone in hard in the contest as he usually would have because he didn't want to risk serious injury or hamper his fitness levels but in saying that he wasn't terrible in the second half of the year either.

 

Oscar has improved this season and yes a lot of that comes down to both Matic and Fabregas, but Oscar has played his role extremely well behind the leading striker in Costa typically and the fact that both Matic and Fabregas are there allows to play to his strengths even more than he may have previously. He gets into good positions, has good vision and awareness and his assisting ability is up there around the league but in comparison to Fabregas he's nowhere near him in this department but who is! Fabregas is outstanding and in an league of his own when it comes to his assisting ability. 

Edited December 27, 201411 yr by Jezz

@Jezz, this guy is obviously a troll. You should just quit biting

Oscar had a decent first season at the club and showed glimpses of what he was truly capable. The champions league game against Juventus in September 2012 demonstrated the talent he possessed at the time. However he was still trying to find his feet in the English game and transition into the fastest league in the world. After all he hadn't played in Europe beforehand. 

 

Oscar's first half of 2013-2014 was outstanding. He was the leading number 10 and linked up well with Hazard and Willian. In the process he impressed Jose enough that Mata somehow couldn't break into the side after that. Oscar's second half of the season was ordinary but I feel like a lot of that came down to the fact that he was more motivated by the upcoming World Cup and hence he may have not gone in hard in the contest as he usually would have because he didn't want to risk serious injury or hamper his fitness levels but in saying that he wasn't terrible in the second half of the year either.

 

Oscar has improved this season and yes a lot of that comes down to both Matic and Fabregas, but Oscar has played his role extremely well behind the leading striker in Costa typically and the fact that both Matic and Fabregas are there allows to play to his strengths even more than he may have previously. He gets into good positions, has good vision and awareness and his assisting ability is up there around the league but in comparison to Fabregas he's nowhere near him in this department but who is! Fabregas is outstanding and in an league of his own when it comes to his assisting ability. 

Who is? Mesut Ozil is and better. Mata is a nothing player so it wasn't hard to displace him. I also said this at the time that he is deceiving and for all his invidiual 'brilliance' he is a pioson to the team, as you saw you finished 6th and 3rd and never ever competed in the league with Mata in your team. Bloke is the ulimtate stat padder as well. That Juventus game is when Oscar caught everyones eye but since then he hasn't shown the flair, ability and Individualism. But like I said Jose it a top manager and knows how to hide peoples flaws, Oscar is a very important player to your team yes Cesc did take the creativty Burden from his but Cesc is a walking liability without him.

@Jezz, this guy is obviously a troll. You should just quit biting

Oh the old 'he is troll' when you can't handle my hard hitting truths? get no time for people like you, go play in traffic.

@Jezz, this guy is obviously a troll. You should just quit biting

I know he's a troll but I'm having a little poke at him before he inevitably gets banned.

I know he's a troll but I'm having a little poke at him before he inevitably gets banned.

Banned for what? I read all the forum rules and I haven't broken any.

Banned for what? I read all the forum rules and I haven't broken any.

 

You are criticising anything to do with Chelsea in all of your posts just to get a reaction, that will be enough to get you banned.

Who is this arsenal he speaks of?

Mezut ozil better :) oh my Lord that's a beauty. Carry on though, this is funny .

Who is this arsenal he speaks of?

that perpetual 4th place team with zero ambition, the one with the specialist in failure in charge. Think we beat them last season , though it was a close game.....for 3 minutes :)

Disagree with that massively considering he tends to have most touches and he's one of the best playmakers in Europe.

Having most touches in the team might mean very little when you play deep. 

For example,

At City, Yaya is usually the one who has the most touches and most passes. But he makes 1.1 key passes per game, about the same as Willian.

In the recent games of United, Evans or Fellaini had the most touches. They aren't exactly creative forces.

At Barcelona often Buscquets or Pique have the most touches and they create next to nothing.

 

Playing deeper limits Fabregas's participation in attack. He starts almost every our attack, but when you play deeper, you can't leave gaps behind and often have to rely on long balls and through balls to create chances, and they're much harder to pull off. It's undeniable that if you play as an attacking midfielder, you would have more opportunity to participate in the final stage of attack. Even yesterday, we often could we see Fabregas holding back while the AMs went into the box. Fabregas very often gets "secondary key passes": he makes a long ball to Willian/Costa/Hazard, who then give another AM a short pass, the AM makes a shot, and Willian/Costa/Hazard get credit for the chance created, not Fabregas. And that's normal for a CM. And it's normal to expect AMs to do the attacking, but only Hazard pulls his weight consistently, and I don't like it.

 

Oscar facilitates that in my opinion which is why I tend not to give a flying f**k about who gets the key pass or assist - they're a unit.

I can't agree with this. It puts too much pressure on Hazard and Fabregas and makes us very predictable. Manmarking two guys and killing our creativity is easier than manmarking four. Remember the game against Palace? Fabregas was heavily manmarked, but Oscar couldn't use the space that created and we just passed the ball in midfield. When Palace got a red card, they couldn't manmark Fabregas anymore and we know what happened: Cesc made a run into the box, playing 1-2s with Hazard and Oscar, and scored a brilliant goal. That's what I want to see from Oscar and Willian: making runs and thinking creatively. I want them to step up when Hazard and Fabregas can't.

 

Edited December 27, 201411 yr by Ward