Figure,

One doesn't need to be a limey to support Chelsea, don't you think?

Dunno but if I need to bring out the guns it wont end well for anyone!

 

Peter Sage probably has several assault rifles for "defence" based on his nationality, so I wouldn't. 

Yeah, a Chelsea supporter who has been up and down the country spending a large proportion of their wage supporting Chelsea through thick and thin is better than a "fan" (there's a difference) from the Far East or America who thinks he's die-hard Chelsea because he has bought a replica top, has a blue themed bedroom and stays up late to watch Chelsea games on TV.

 

So just because you happen to live in the right place you feel you are a better "fan"? Or is the "spending a large proportion of their wage" the one that does it for you?

 

I probably spend more money on visiting Chelsea 3 times a year than the regulars do to follow them the whole season, does that make me a better fan?

Edited November 7, 201411 yr by BuBbA

I hate all this 'who is the best supporter'-bullsh*t. Of course English/London people have a great connection with the club and especially those who were there in the 70's and so, but isn't that logical? Isn't the younger generation (like myself) allowed to be a fan of Chelsea just by watching the games with a real (no replica weehaa) Chelsea-shirt on enjoying the game? Are you a more real Chelsea-supporter if you had the chance to watch more games of Chelsea? And why can you only be a real supporter if you've been supporter since you were 4? You could say supporters that became a Chelsea-fan later than that, really chose a club because it's atmosphere fitted their personality. 

 

I have great respect for the older Chelsea-fans (those who where there before Abramovich), but I don't think you should categorize supporters in degrees of being a real fan.

 

Excuse me for my poor English, but I feel a little offended when people are talking about real fans and not-real fans. 

CFC,

I am not here to quarrel with anyone, but don't tell me because I don't live in England I am a less football fan based on my nationality. That's just stupid and arrogant drivel.

So just because you happen to live in the right place you feel you are a better "fan"? Or is the "spending a large proportion of their wage" the one that does it for you?

 

I probably spend more money on visiting Chelsea 3 times a year than the regulars do to follow them the whole season, does that make me a better fan?

 

I don't "happen" to live in the right place. I didn't support Chelsea then think "oh this is handy that I live in the same country and close enough to go to to games."

 

And Noverca, no one has said people like you can't be Chelsea fans. It mainly started when Double Helix posted his load of crap and said if people are moaning about ticket prices maybe they should just earn more because unlike BuBbA and a few foreign fans, the vast majority just buy a shirt or something and that's all they spend. As the vast majority (not all) don't spend much it's hard to comprehend what it's like have spending what for me is a over a weeks income (I'm a student) on seeing a Chelsea away match.

Edited November 7, 201411 yr by RichardCFC

Guys, there isnt any best fan out there... Its true that there are guys who have been old enough to see it through every thick and thin and to me, they are the ones that have been there and I respect them the most, but chelsea has grown to extents and beyond borders... so the fan base will always grow and evolve.. you cant expect the old fans to be there forever unless they live forever... so expect fans outside london and even outside the country showing some love and loyalty.. Its silly to compare whose the best fan out there in a forum and calling fans names who have been there probably a lot more than you or me on a forum is just stupid..

Edited November 7, 201411 yr by chillz88

Figure,

One doesn't need to be a limey to support Chelsea, don't you think?

How is that relevant? 

Do me a favour, try to actually read what's been written here. Then maybe, just maybe, you mght be able to post something that's actually relevant to the questons that are being addressed.

 

Which are quite simply that a straightforward post about traditional fans being priced out of the game, which has become increasingly geared towards corporate customers and tourists - not foreign/non-English fans, but tourists, the kind of visitors from the Far East or wherever who have no problem getting blocks of seats, who are there purely and simply because Stamford Bridge along with mang other Premiership grounds has become something of a tourist attraction - has been wildly misinterpreted and is in danger of degenerating into a local vs overseas fans argument.,

 

So drop all this "Limey" bollocks", go back and read charriere's post. DoubleHelix's post, and mine and subsequent replies.

 

Ok?

CFC,

I am not here to quarrel with anyone, but don't tell me because I don't live in England I am a less football fan based on my nationality. That's just stupid and arrogant drivel.

Your an armchair supporter and will always be one. I might join a Bayern Munich website claim i'm a massive fan though i have never and will never go to a home match. And then call the fans Krauts and say hey i'm just a big a fan of Bayern as you are.

Figure,

Let me read what I deem as appropriate. So far, I have not seen anything worth to respond to. Next time, try harder.

Bazza,

You're a little too limited, your posting says it all.

So far, I have not seen anything worth to respond to. Next time, try harder.

 

And yet despite this, you still won't shut the f**k up. 

Bazza,

You're a little too limited, your posting says it all.

 

He makes a valid point and because you can't think of a reply to it you call him "limited". Out of interest, Bubba said he spends large amounts of money to watch Chelsea. How many times have you been to the Bridge?

Sage,

Stop being a twat.

Figure,

Let me read what I deem as appropriate. So far, I have not seen anything worth to respond to. Next time, try harder.

The question, isn't of choosing what to read, but of interpretation.

 

You have interpreted the questions I have outlined as an attack on foreign-based fans. You have in fact gone out of your way to invent and an argument based on nothing that has been actually been written.

 

And if you haven't seen anything worth responding to. If you're telling me to try harder?

 

f**k It, I tried. I made an effort to keep this on track, but with you I'm fighting a losing battle.

 

You're not only intent on pushing your pathetic little "just because I don't live in London" agenda, but you're attacking anyone who won't join in with this pitiful little argument that YOU have created.

 

You're a f**king idiot, and insufferably arrogant wiith it.

I don't "happen" to live in the right place. I didn't support Chelsea then think "oh this is handy that I live in the same country and close enough to go to to games."

 

And Noverca, no one has said people like you can't be Chelsea fans. It mainly started when Double Helix posted his load of crap and said if people are moaning about ticket prices maybe they should just earn more because unlike BuBbA and a few foreign fans, the vast majority just buy a shirt or something and that's all they spend. As the vast majority (not all) don't spend much it's hard to comprehend what it's like have spending what for me is a over a weeks income (I'm a student) on seeing a Chelsea away match.

About the spending thing: I didn't agree with Double Helix talking about working harder and so to get enough income to go to the Chelsea-games. And indeed, I just bought a shirt and a shawl, and I've been to one Chelsea-game, so I'm not talking about the amount of money people have spent, just about when you are a real fan and when you aren't. And I think almost everybody over here is a real fan; I think there is a difference between a fan and a supporter though. 

CFC,

Since I don't live in London, I am happy to attend 2 or 3 games during the season. It costs me around 400 Eur to attend. How about you, how much do you spend per game?

I think that if this 'debate' is to be continued it ought to have it's own thread. And there should be glossary of terms at the start of it. It seems that some overseas supporters have mistakenly taken offence at the term tourists. It seems quite clear to me that the original use of tourists was to describe the people who are visiting the UK (mainly London) on holidays and have as part of their itineraries a trip to watch a Premiership football match.

 

We are the biggest victims of this as we are the club most suited for this due to being sufficiently high profile and perfectly sited. On my (these days) infrequent visits to the Bridge I have seen groups of tourists in their padded raincoats with brightly coloured back packs taking lots of group photos in front of everything and anything. And I'd wager half of them either don't really like football or support Man United (which is perhaps the same thing).

 

I also believe that you can't quantify how much of a fan/supporter you are simply by expenditure and or distance. You really can't calculate such an ethereal thing.

Come on fellas, Don't argue amongst' yourselves, Make fun of how City are rubbish in Europe and how we have a dinosaur of a manager who persists on playing 4-4-2 Lol

Lads please. Sack up and let it go!

CFC,

Since I don't live in London, I am happy to attend 2 or 3 games during the season. It costs me around 400 Eur to attend. How about you, how much do you spend per game?

 

From the states? How do you get tickets? I spent about £42 on a ticket and seeing as I'm at university now around £40 on transport for my last game at Palace. Add in bus tickets, food and drink, around £100 total. As mentioned earlier, that's more than I get a week on my student loan. 

Come on fellas, Don't argue amongst' yourselves, Make fun of how City are rubbish in Europe and how we have a dinosaur of a manager who persists on playing 4-4-2 Lol

 

I'm not buying that. I'm convinced that City are just having a bit of a spell and that it'll still come down to that last couple of games and a couple of points.

 

And out of curiosity, do you get many obvious 'tourists' at City yet? Or are you safe because it's too far away from the London Eye and Madame Tussuards. And maybe United are still for the time being a magnet for such types?

I'm leaving this topic. Foreign fans - we have nothing against you. It's people like Double Helix who claim in respond to rising ticket prices we should simply earn more, and Peter Sage just coming on here and insulting English fans then using the "is it because I'm foreign?" line.

 

Anyway to City, Noel Gallagher reckoned there's apathy for the Champions League amongst supporters. I wonder if that's been passed onto the players because it is strange the way they just can't perform in Europe.

Edited November 7, 201411 yr by RichardCFC

CFC,

Just my last opinion on this. I pay around 80 Eur for an airfare, accommodation is 100 a night, food and ticket close to 100 Eur. Add a few drinks…

Mostly I am flying from Prague, Bratislava or Budapest.

Come on fellas, Don't argue amongst' yourselves, Make fun of how City are rubbish in Europe and how we have a dinosaur of a manager who persists on playing 4-4-2 Lol

 

I think the manager's tactical inflexibility is part of it. I still don't understand why he persists with 4-4-2, there isn't a single top team in Europe that plays such an antiquated formation these days. CL football is all about possession and/or keeping a solid defensive structure, the old mantra of 'two banks of four' doesn't really wash any more I'm afraid. It's easy for teams playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, with players 'between the lines' of the 4-4-2, to exploit it just by the tactical structure alone.

 

But I think there's more to it with City. I get the sense that it's a fractured and dressing room at the moment. This may just be my own conjecture but I get the sense that the big ego's, like Yaya Toure, are starting to cause friction amongst the other players. You only have to look at the way the City players reacted after CSKA's first goal by giving Toure accusatory looks to see what I mean. Seems like there's no real team spirit at the moment, which is a surprise given how well you guys came back to win the league last year. Nevertheless, that stat about how City haven't won any of their last 36 (?) having gone behind says a lot for me.

 

It goes without saying that lots of players are underperforming. There are several we could name here, and you really have to wonder where City would currently be with Aguero's goals. There's clearly a mental block that they need to overcome in Europe too, similar to Arsenal who for years have been close to the top in league but come January/February just crash and burn.

 

Finally, Kinkladze will have a better perspective of this, but I also sense that the City fans themselves are somewhat apathetic towards the Champions League. Perhaps this is due to the long list of underwhelming performances you've had to witness since you've reached that level, but to be honest I can't really figure out why this attitude exists. Maybe you could shed some light on it?