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Oscar and Ramires out?

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Would hate to see Oscar leave with all of his best years in front of him.

 

Well I doubt he could contribute much less than he has over the last few years so obviously.

I don't understand where all the hate for Oscar comes from. Yes, he not prolific but he was never purchased as a finished article and before Jose came back he was in and out of the team. Should he be our nailed on number 10, no probably not but did that mean he should be sold? I don't think so.

I don't understand where all the hate for Oscar comes from. Yes, he not prolific but he was never purchased as a finished article and before Jose came back he was in and out of the team. Should he be our nailed on number 10, no probably not but did that mean he should be sold? I don't think so.

 

well some us think he wont really improve and ultimately will fail to make the grade. sure, we might keep him as a squad player but if we get a chance to sell a squad player for 25+ million then we should take it

 

we can get a midfielder of similar ability for less than 20m

well some us think he wont really improve and ultimately will fail to make the grade. sure, we might keep him as a squad player but if we get a chance to sell a squad player for 25+ million then we should take it

we can get a midfielder of similar ability for less than 20m

Or he could do a de Bruyne and improve dramatically for his next team. I agree we should sell surplus players but let's start with the ones that aren't playing first rather then weaken our first team

Or he could do a de Bruyne and improve dramatically for his next team. I agree we should sell surplus players but let's start with the ones that aren't playing first rather then weaken our first team

DeBrunye has had to go to a less compete ive league to do that though and one with a winter break.

Or he could do a de Bruyne and improve dramatically for his next team. I agree we should sell surplus players but let's start with the ones that aren't playing first rather then weaken our first team

KdB didnt really improve dramatically, he was always class, he just wasnt a Mourinho type player. I think Mourinho pulling Oscar at half time was a sign of things to come

Wouldn't mind selling Oscar if the price is right, anything below 25m is probably not worth it considering he still has the best years infront of him, easy to forget he's only 23 years old.

Ramires however I have no problem selling at all, not to mention a whole load of other players we currently have both on loan and in our current first team.

 

Ramires, Mikel, Salah, Luis, Drogba, Moses, Romeu, Kakuta, Marin, McEachran, Van Ginkel, Davila and Perica should all be gone by the end of the season. We then try and use the funds gained from these players to try and bring in Pogba or Koke and also recall Bamford, Kalas, Ake from loan and give these 3 similar roles to what Zouma has got this season and they'll grow into class players and start regularly. Not to mention RLC should also be starting more games too in the middle

Or he could do a de Bruyne and improve dramatically for his next team. I agree we should sell surplus players but let's start with the ones that aren't playing first rather then weaken our first team

 

well i saw quality with de bruyne. i dont with oscar

 

i actually thought, and hoped, de bruyne would push out oscar out of the starting line up last season.

 

i think people are taking this improvement thing for granted. just because hes young-ish, doesnt mean hes undoubtedly bound to improve

I don't understand where all the hate for Oscar comes from. Yes, he not prolific but he was never purchased as a finished article and before Jose came back he was in and out of the team. Should he be our nailed on number 10, no probably not but did that mean he should be sold? I don't think so.

Not hate, just fed up of seeing a player go missing for large chunks of every season and show little effort to turn things around

I can see Ramires being sold because his value is starting to dip, but I'll be sad to see him go. He's been the prototypical squad player: versatile, extremely fit, and pretty reliable.

I don't want to see Oscar go though. He's still maturing and consistency will likely come. A lot of people are forgetting just how good he was that first Fall-Winter for us. I have no doubt he'd become a star if we sold him.

Oscar is still only 23 and the consistency will must likely come. If we're flogging inconsistent players then why is no one suggesting Cesc? He's been poor for since new years but he starts as there isn't anyone better to play in his place. Surely this is the same with Oscar? Neither should be sold Imo, but both drastically require competition for their places to push them on.

Not hate, just fed up of seeing a player go missing for large chunks of every season and show little effort to turn things around

Don't think effort is ever missing from his game. You can critical his form for sure, but I don't think that is fair.

Oscar is still only 23 and the consistency will must likely come. If we're flogging inconsistent players then why is no one suggesting Cesc? He's been poor for since new years but he starts as there isn't anyone better to play in his place. Surely this is the same with Oscar? Neither should be sold Imo, but both drastically require competition for their places to push them on.

Cesc has had several good games since new years, Oscar havent. Its fair enough to say the consistency will come. It might, but he hasnt improved the slightest in 3 years now, so how long do we wait? This is the time we can still get a good chunk of cash for him, if we wait two years and he is still the same player, then we wont

Either way, I don't think Jose would sell. Oscar is too much of his type of player.

Xfaxtor - out of interest, if we could only sell one of Oscar or Rami which would you sell? I could see Oscar doing Rami job but not the other way round.

Don't think effort is ever missing from his game. You can critical his form for sure, but I don't think that is fair.

early in the season for sure...he was influential in our pressing/winning the ball back high up the pitch game...but he is not even doing that effectively any more...so if he's not scoring, assisting or pressing, what exactly is he doing?

Either way, I don't think Jose would sell. Oscar is too much of his type of player.

Xfaxtor - out of interest, if we could only sell one of Oscar or Rami which would you sell? I could see Oscar doing Rami job but not the other way round.

I dont think José would really sell either, but for me it would be Ramires. I cant for the life of me see what he brings to the table that some of our academy players doesnt. At least Oscar is great for 1/3 of the season

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I dont think José would really sell either, but for me it would be Ramires. I cant for the life of me see what he brings to the table that some of our academy players doesnt. At least Oscar is great for 1/3 of the season

Agreed, it was fine when he was the legs of the team, hussling tired cm of the ball and turning possession but Oscar has the engine to do that. I still think Oscar can contribute to our success next season

early in the season for sure...he was influential in our pressing/winning the ball back high up the pitch game...but he is not even doing that effectively any more...so if he's not scoring, assisting or pressing, what exactly is he doing?

I'm not saying he's playing well. I'm saying that it is unfair to say he isn't trying when he is on the pitch

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If we get a good price for Oscar, i wouldnt mind letting him go. Especially considering we have the likes of Cuadrado and Willian to replace him, and to an extent even people like Baker

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