Who's zoomin who?! The stills are also misleading, the young guy making the 'stance' goes to help the girl when watched in motion. The officer cannot be condoned surely as his colleagues kept their cool and there was no serious threat to them. This isn't a one off and I find the woman worried about the neighbourhood questionable. Was there a real threat, or concern about local reputation and house prices.

On a slightly different matter the notion of a pool and swimming is interesting when reading this article. (The article for me is a little ott in emotion, but then I'm not in the writer's shoes, valid nonetheless.)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/08/mckinney-texas-black-children-pool-violence

 

Read the blokes FB post in the area, the one who was described as the bald cracker. You'll see their perspective in this. Over 100 turned up on the scene and  tresspassed when only 20 at maximum were allowed. Things got out of hand, one cop against a hostile crowd and the girl resisted arrest, after fighting with a few people also. If she didn't resist arrest she would of had to have been dragged to the ground.

 

That's how you restrain people resisting arrest. I actually think the cop was in the right.

 

That's a load of crap which often is nothing more than a character assassination. It justifies the cop pulling out a gun because the black man may have had one... Now where have we heard that before with far worse consequences?

 

Not exactly, police also die a lot, they have to be cautious, the way the guy went you can see why the officer pulled out his weapon, anything could've happened.

Not exactly, police also die a lot, they have to be cautious, the way the guy went you can see why the officer pulled out his weapon, anything could've happened.

 

Yes they do, but I'm not sure murdering innocent people comes under the definition of cautious. 500 ethnic minority deaths in custody in suspicious circumstances in Britain (much worse in America) since 1990 while far less policemen have died. That's not including deaths caused by policemen outside of shooting whether by beating or shooting. There's a huge problem with institutional racism in the police.

 

Before anyone takes my post out of context, I'm not saying every policeman is racist or abuses their power or no criminal is ever to blame.

Edited June 10, 201511 yr by RichardCFC

That's a load of crap which often is nothing more than a character assassination. It justifies the cop pulling out a gun because the black man may have had one... Now where have we heard that before with far worse consequences?

 

Reminds of this, when Jazzy Jeff was giving evidence in court and wouldn't put his hands down when asked by Uncle Phil. 

 

So we shouldn't question it, just accept it?

No not at all :) The opposite actually, just not dismiss it immediately (not directed at you)

I don't many have dismissed it immediately, most have basically put over their opinion on it, mine being its a nonsense ruling that will have no effect other than to perhaps get some owners/chairmans backs up meaning even less opportunity. I`m fairly sure around 95% of owners wont even care what colour, ethnic background, eye colour a potential employee is, more how good they are or can be as a manager or coach.

Edited June 11, 201511 yr by dkw

I don't many have dismissed it immediately, most have basically put over their opinion on it, mine being its a nonsense ruling that will have no effect other than to perhaps get some owners/chairmans backs up meaning even less opportunity. I`m fairly sure around 95% of owners wont even care what colour, ethnic background, eye colour a potential employee is, more how good they are or can be as a manager or coach.

I'm not saying impossible but with the stakes involved I find it hard to believe many owners or boards would pick an inferior candidate, which could end up costing tens of millions or more, simply to satisfy their desire to have a manager of a certain ethnic background.

And if a Rooney rule is implemented, that would lead to more discrimination. Why aren't women being given the same opportunities? They are even worse off in representation than black aspiring managers.

Edit: and if they are anything like me, being hoisted on me as a forced interview will guarantee you do not get the job regardless of any background. I would run a meritocracy and if you need a Rooney rule to catch the attention of me or my hiring staff, why would I want you? Of course I would interview qualified black applicants, I think most owners just want to do what it takes to win.... Arsenal stake holders aside haha

Edited June 11, 201511 yr by Barry Bridges

Every time I see the Rooney rule I have the misfortune of a vision forming of Helen thingy smacking Shrek with a ruler.

Is this the solution to this whole thing?

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1500828/rachel-dolezal-disguised-herself-as-black

 

Maybe Phil Brown counts as non-white after this.

Yes they do, but I'm not sure murdering innocent people comes under the definition of cautious. 500 ethnic minority deaths in custody in suspicious circumstances in Britain (much worse in America) since 1990 while far less policemen have died. That's not including deaths caused by policemen outside of shooting whether by beating or shooting. There's a huge problem with institutional racism in the police.

 

Before anyone takes my post out of context, I'm not saying every policeman is racist or abuses their power or no criminal is ever to blame.

 

Racism is not the biggest factor to police brutality, you can't just ignore the other situations. It's more complex. The crime in the black community is also massive, that's the logical reason today why so many blacks die, because they commit more crime in those areas, until people realise that police brutality and racism isn't mutually exclusive is the day we actually get somewhere.

 

People are missing the point about the idea entirely, yes it is a problem but it isn't the biggest problem.

 

How many people died on memorial day again? Without the police there? Especially in Baltimore there was over 20 deaths in one day. Yet barely any mention of it because it wasn't by a police officer.

Edited June 12, 201511 yr by Sloth

Racism is not the biggest factor to police brutality, you can't just ignore the other situations. It's more complex. The crime in the black community is also massive, that's the logical reason today why so many blacks die, because they commit more crime in those areas, until people realise that police brutality and racism isn't mutually exclusive is the day we actually get somewhere.

 

People are missing the point about the idea entirely, yes it is a problem but it isn't the biggest problem.

 

How many people died on memorial day again? Without the police there? Especially in Baltimore there was over 20 deaths in one day. Yet barely any mention of it because it wasn't by a police officer.

 

Black people commit more crimes proportionally because of discrimination in housing, education & work. I didn't say racism was the sole cause of police brutality, or the only thing that needs to be solved, but it's still a big issue.

I don't many have dismissed it immediately, most have basically put over their opinion on it, mine being its a nonsense ruling that will have no effect other than to perhaps get some owners/chairmans backs up meaning even less opportunity. I`m fairly sure around 95% of owners wont even care what colour, ethnic background, eye colour a potential employee is, more how good they are or can be as a manager or coach.

 

Exactly, it is a low factor at that, nothing wrong with the decision though but it annoys me that we are pulling the word 'racism' on this situation again. 

Black people commit more crimes proportionally because of discrimination in housing, education & work. I didn't say racism was the sole cause of police brutality, or the only thing that needs to be solved, but it's still a big issue.

 

I know that, I've already addressed this, but current circumstances this is the situation. 

 

People say black people are just violent and need to stop committing crimes and they wont get shot, mostly coming from racists. The other side blames the police and think they are scumbags, mostly today's youth who have no idea what it is to actually be a police officer or even restrain a criminal.

 

Media is usually the biggest causer of this, showing their own narrative to suit their own demographic, typical. So it creates a sh*t storm and hardly anyone is actually discussing the real issue. I honestly think now having watched the full video and read the story on both sides, I don't think the police officer did any wrong at all, that's no easy task to restrain an aggressive woman who is resisting arrest in a hostile crowd. Pulling his gun out was necessary at the time also, he has to be cautious, I think the outrage is uncalled for and it's just suiting peoples demographic of hating police officers. Now the bloke has had to quit his job and the aggressor is now the victim and the darling in the media. Typical. 

Exactly, it is a low factor at that, nothing wrong with the decision though but it annoys me that we are pulling the word 'racism' on this situation again. 

 

Because (and I'm assuming we have gone way off topic and are now talking about the police) there is undoubted institutional racism in the police force. The nature of it and how widespread it is is debatable but it certainly exists. The conclusion of black people being more likely to commit crimes doesn't always add up. For instance, white people use drugs almost twice as much (proportionally) yet black people are around six times as likely to be stopped and searched in the UK.

 

I agree with your second point that there needs to be a balance. Certain newspapers portray ethnic minorities negatively while others demonise the entire police. I've tried to be balanced by saying that, ultimately, the major problem is at source, with discrimination in housing, work & education.

Because (and I'm assuming we have gone way off topic and are now talking about the police) there is undoubted institutional racism in the police force. The nature of it and how widespread it is is debatable but it certainly exists. The conclusion of black people being more likely to commit crimes doesn't always add up. For instance, white people use drugs almost twice as much (proportionally) yet black people are around six times as likely to be stopped and searched in the UK.

 

I agree with your second point that there needs to be a balance. Certain newspapers portray ethnic minorities negatively while others demonise the entire police. I've tried to be balanced by saying that, ultimately, the major problem is at source, with discrimination in housing, work & education.

 

That post was actually towards the black managers which DKW was talking about.

 

And I agree with that racial profiling is actually really big in the UK.

 

 

But here is another point about the McKinney incident that happened, on the right there were 9 dead and 18 injured, on the left nobody was injured. Yet what is the talking point? Sadly like everything, it's always media driven, just like when Costa got suspended, that was media driven, it's like a headline sets our own opinion on something no matter how misleading, I did it early on this very case. I actually thought this was another case of a white cop beating a black person but when reviewing the incident you'll find that the officer was just doing his job, some could argue to hesitant with pulling out his weapon but given the current circumstances I think he had every right for that. 

You are completely right (although I disagree the cop was in the right during the pool party but we've been there). I have no idea what is going on in the second picture! To be honest I haven't really read about the pool party other than in this thread.

Edited June 12, 201511 yr by RichardCFC