31 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Pedro starting for Barca in a CL final 5 years ago is not ANY indication of his quality whatsoever. This is REAL LIFE, not FIFA. Get up and smell the coffee. The guy has stagnated. Cast aside. Its laughable that PEDRO a 28 year old left barcelona for actually wanting first team action. But apparently he was not a bench player because over the course of his career he played 100 games. Some people with their hilarious logic. Its like saying mikel is not a squad player because he has played 300? games for chelsea and played against Bayern munich in the CL final. Sometimes people should think things through

Why am I even trying to debate Pedro's uses. The guy is behind willian and probably even moses in conte's systems. For a player whose USP is only and only goal scoring, his finishing is absolutely atrocious and hit and miss. Our problem is as much not having goal scorers as it is that we are not creating chances for our goal scorer. The liverpool game was an indication of that. Currently you give costa a half decent chance and he will score, but we could not even provide that. With pedro we only get worse in that department. Sorry, but not good enough and not required.

 you said Pedro belonged on the bench at Barca, yet he started and scored in the CL final! that was the reason why i bought it up, to show how stupid that comment was! and who said over the course of his career he played 100 games??? he has STARTED over 200 games for trophy winning Barcelona teams! so to say he belongs on the bench is embarrassing.

Pedro is a 10-15 goal a season player, Willian is a 5-10 goal a season player, probably wont even reach 10 this season as his freekicks arent going in anymore, and you talk about creativity, Willian has 4 starts and 0 assists this season, Pedro has 1 start and 1 assist! 

People forget how useless Willian was in his first season, he said himself he needed time to adapt, same with Pedro he needed time to adapt last season, he joined a team who was a mess, which would have made it even harder to adapt, he is now on his 3rd different manager at Chelsea and he only joined a year ago, its laughable how people want to write him off, as i said he needs a run in the team to get sharp, and i guarantee he will get more goals and assists from open play then Willian ever would! 

 

Edited September 19, 20169 yr by pacquiao

Can anyone tell me the reason Pedro left Barcelona? Or rather can anyone tell this guy why Pedro left Barcelona despite JUST signing an extension? People seriously need to UNDERSTAND rather than embarrassing themselves by writing stupid things.

Like I said before, MIKEL HAS PLAYED 370 GAMES FOR CHELSEA. YET HE IS A SQUAD/BENCH player. UNDERSTAND? IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT ROLE MIKEL HAD WHEN HE WAS 20. Both these players stagnated massively and never fulfilled their potential completely. Thus being part of great teams like Barca or chelsea, but consistently getting relegated to the bench. The last season for barca when Pedro could call himself as a starter was in 2010-11 after which he was replaced by sanchez, then neymar. ITS BEEN 5 years. GET OVER IT.

True, our player of the season last year can be very USELESS.  SOME PEOPLE.

1 hour ago, didierforever said:

Can anyone tell me the reason Pedro left Barcelona? Or rather can anyone tell this guy why Pedro left Barcelona despite JUST signing an extension? People seriously need to UNDERSTAND rather than embarrassing themselves by writing stupid things.

Because he's not better than Suarez, Neymar and Messi (barring Ronaldo, no one is) and knew his chances of first team football at Barca we're going to be very limited.

So at 28 he wanted to play regularly and sought a move elsewhere, signing a new contract was to adjust his buyout clause which made the exit smoother (to my understanding).

Don't know why you feel the need to call other posters stupid for daring to have an opinion that differs from your own, makes you look a bit of a tit.

The guy thinks Pedro left Barca because he stagnated! Let's just ignore the fact they bought in Neymar and Suarez shall we. 

And i dont know you keep bringing Mikel into this, I have never once said Mikel belongs on the bench, I personally would like to see Mikel back in the starting XI so Kante can get more freedom to play as a box to box midfielder.

And as for Pedro you only have to look at the fact Barca gave him a press confrence to say goodbye when he left and all his teammates came out to say goodbye to him, that shows how highly he is thought of in barcelona, clearly they don't see him as a player who belonged on the bench or a player that has stagnated like you have claimed. 

 

Edited September 20, 20169 yr by pacquiao

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Because he's not better than Suarez, Neymar and Messi (barring Ronaldo, no one is) and knew his chances of first team football at Barca we're going to be very limited.

So at 28 he wanted to play regularly and sought a move elsewhere, signing a new contract was to adjust his buyout clause which made the exit smoother (to my understanding).

Don't know why you feel the need to call other posters stupid for daring to have an opinion that differs from your own, makes you look a bit of a tit.

Exactly, he is not better, and Hence he is a squad player. 

When you say "he wanted to play regularly and sought a move elsewhere", what do you mean by that? was it because he was rotting on the bench with even the like of sandro or haddidi being played ahead of him? What exactly does that make him? Well for me, that is a SQUAD/BENCH player. and THAT is the simple point I am trying to get across but somehow pedro scoring a goal in 2011 in the CL final is more relevant to his current status as a player than the last 5 years. 

LOL. DD was CARRIED off the pitch, something that I have not seen in my years as a football fan during a game. Being "highly thought of" has nothing to do with a player's CURRENT ABILITY to play football. 

Why do I keep bringing Mikel into it, because I am giving a very similarly example to pedro's career trajectory. At a certain point of time, pedro was a "COULD BE GREAT" player, currently he is average and looking poor every time he takes the field. What a poster "desires" should happen (be it pedro getting into the first team or mikel into the first team) is totally irrelevant to the current situation. Both players are squad/bench players for chelsea which will be competiting for the top4 rather than the PL realistically. And thats their level. Going round and round and round, to prove otherwise useless specially using things like pedro's PC or the ovation he gets. The fact is that he was relegated to the bench. If he was a world class player, he would not have been replaced by neymar/suarez. Scratch that, he would not have been replaced by sanchez too. 

Edited September 20, 20169 yr by didierforever

But being back up to some of the best attacking talent in football doesn't mean you're not good enough to start regularly for other top sides.

2 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

But being back up to some of the best attacking talent in football doesn't mean you're not good enough to start regularly for other top sides.

He is being a back up to WILLIAN currently and rightfully so.

That is what this guy doesn't understand, he thinks Pedro belonged on the bench at Barca! but clearly doesnt understand that Barca let Pedro leave even though they had no back up options until their transfer ban was over, they knew Pedro didnt belong on the bench, so they done the decent thing and let the player leave. Would Chelsea let Mikel leave if he was our only good back up option? No, because Mikel has always been happy to sit on the bench, which makes the comparison with Pedro even more bizarre 

and fact is we are 5 games into the season, players starting games now are not guaranteed to be starting all season, as the XI Conte has been playing clearly isnt our best XI.

1 hour ago, didierforever said:

LOL. DD was CARRIED off the pitch, something that I have not seen in my years as a football fan during a game. Being "highly thought of" has nothing to do with a player's CURRENT ABILITY to play football. 

Why do I keep bringing Mikel into it, because I am giving a very similarly example to pedro's career trajectory. At a certain point of time, pedro was a "COULD BE GREAT" player, currently he is average and looking poor every time he takes the field. What a poster "desires" should happen (be it pedro getting into the first team or mikel into the first team) is totally irrelevant to the current situation. Both players are squad/bench players for chelsea which will be competiting for the top4 rather than the PL realistically. And thats their level. Going round and round and round, to prove otherwise useless specially using things like pedro's PC or the ovation he gets. The fact is that he was relegated to the bench. If he was a world class player, he would not have been replaced by neymar/suarez. Scratch that, he would not have been replaced by sanchez too. 

And now you are saying Pedro was also benched by Sanchez, yet in 2011/12 Pedro started 32 games Sanchez started 31, 2012/13 Pedro started 39 games, Sanchez started 28. 2013/14 Pedro started 38 games, Sanchez 38, so in Sanchez's 3 seasons at Barca Pedro started more games then he did, so please explain how Pedro was benched by Sanchez. 

Edited September 20, 20169 yr by pacquiao

In 2011/12 - sanchez missed 2 to 3 months towards the start of the campaign. Afterwards relegating Pedro to the bench. Case in point - both semis against US. Did pedro even get a minute against us? Definitely not at Nou. Was not Tello put in before him or given more preference at the end of 11/12? I seem to remember so.

I am not sure about the next seasons, but I am sure I would find a similar trend.

Yes Pedro did play at SB, and then in the 12/13 season Pedro started virtually every big game with Sanchez starting on the bench in most big games. So NO Sanchez clearly didn't relegate Pedro to the bench.

Something I've noticed now and then but never really brought up is that him and Ivan have terrible chemistry together. 

2 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Something I've noticed now and then but never really brought up is that him and Ivan have terrible chemistry together. 

we need Alonso to put in a big performance tonight, so Azpi can finally move to RB.

Yes, 24 minutes at SB compared to 2 starts that Sanchez got. And again, was not he below Tello under Pep?

So Pedro started 32 games in 2011/12 and Tello started 4 and you are asking me if Pedro was below Tello??? 

funny how you ignore the 2012/13 season though. I wonder why...

How difficult can things be to understand sometimes? When you are talking about a youth player who suddenly catches the manager's eye, then its not about the number of STARTS. 

PEP started tello over pedro against RM, pep brought in tello over pedro in a CL semi. CLEARLY indicating that PEP, one of the best managers in the world and someone who had seen pedro's whole career did not trust pedro enough. Oh well... but pedro scored a goal in 2011 CL final, hence pedro is the bestest footballer ever. :)

Pep obviously had his reason for using Tello in those 2 games, but that doesn't mean he was ahead of Pedro! after the Chelsea game Pedro started all 4 of the remaining La Liga matches Tello started 0 then Pep started Pedro in the Copa Del Rey Final against Atletico where Pedro scored twice, Tello didnt even get off the bench, so if you want to continue embarrassing yourself, thinking Sanchez and now Tello benched Pedro go ahead. 

LOL. SO what were pep's reasons to put in tello ahead of pedro in those, care to explain?

Fair enough if pep started him in the copa del ray final, but i think League classico and CL semi finals are still a much higher priority.

But lets not digress, why dont YOU tell me the reason why pedro left barcelona despite being so highly thought of. :)

I dont know Pep's reasons, probably wanted someone more direct in those games to run at the fullback, rather then having his winger cut inside, clearly wasn't because he didnt trust Pedro like you claim otherwise why would he start him in his final game in a cup final??? care to explain?

So i think its clear now you dont know what you are talking about, Sanchez and Tello clearly didn't bench Pedro, it wasn't until Neymar arrived for big money in 2014 where Pedro got less starts, he could have stayed and been a back up, but he is not that type of player who doesn't mind being on the bench all the time, and as i said Barca knew Pedro leaving would leave themselves short of attacking options as they had their transfer ban, but they were still very supportive towards him as they knew he didn't belong on the bench, same with Cech at Chelsea, he also doesn't belong on the bench, so Chelsea were fine with letting him move on, so you can try and twist the truth all you want but the fact is it wont help you.

Edited September 20, 20169 yr by pacquiao

I cant explain what I did not see (the cup final or the end of the league games after the el classico since the league was done and dusted). I can explain what I DID see. I saw pedro moved on the bench in Barca's most important games. You dont just give a "great player" the cold shoulder in the club's 3 most important games of the season and that too consecutively

Was it just neymar? or was it turan too? why was turan bought? Did not that have a part to play in Pedro leaving, considering he would have been the 5th choice forward? You dont just shell out 75mil or 100mil if you have a "great" player as you claim pedro is. You just dont. you dont go out and buy a 29 year old turan. Also this situation is nothing like Cech simply because cech is a GK. being a 2nd choice GK is way different being the 4th choice outfield player. Apples and ORANGES.

"he did not belong to the bench". Where has he been in the first 5 games then? :) 

How am I twisting the facts. HAHAH. where is pedro currently? Is he even ahead of moses in the pecking order? We have an average creative winger and yet pedro is unable to displace willian from the team. You want me to believe that this guy is good enough for Barcelona? LOL. A player who can barely hold on to the ball or go past a player or even try to take a player on, is good enough for Barcelona. :)

Lastly, I like this career trajectory. from being a back up to MSN to being a back up to willian. 

Edited September 20, 20169 yr by didierforever

Players absolutely exist in a manager's mind as a part of a concrete ranking, I certainly can't imagine that a manager whose understanding of football is as nuanced as Guardiola's might consider that different players have different skillsets, different strengths and weaknesses, and might offer his team different benefits at different times.

Its simple Pep wanted something different in those games! this is not hard to understand, Bertrand started the CL Final ahead of Torres, Malouda and Sturridge does that mean Bertrand was ahead of them all in the pecking order? NO, RDM clearly wanted Bertrand to play because he can defend, in the 2013 Europa League Final with Hazard out injured Rafa started Ramires on the right ahead of Moses (who had been brilliant in the EL that year) why? because Ramires was better defensively then Moses, Managers have their reasons for picking certain players, Pep obviously thinks differently to most people, as i said in those particular games he probably wanted a more direct, fast winger, to stretch the opposition rather then have Pedro who likes to cut inside, as that would have made things more congested. 

and Pedro is probably ahead of Moses, as you could see in the Watford game, where Willian didnt play so Conte chose Pedro to start ahead of Moses, and yes Pedro wasnt great against Watford but that was his first start, he clearly wasnt as sharp as everyone else who had played more, which is why he needs a run in the team.

and where did i claim Pedro is a great player?

Apples and Oranges. AGAIN. I am sorry but comparing a situation of playing a defender so as to park the bus against a much superior Bayern CAN NOT be compared to playing a young winger like tello ahead of Pedro. Just cant. Makes 0 sense. Barcelona played tello because he is defensively better? really? The same manager which played a 3 man defence containing rafinha against MSN? As for directness, well I thought that was Pedro's USP. Also at that moment, Barca were playing a 3-4-3, which normally means the winger/forward needing to come in more often. the width is provided by the wing back. Also, lets be realistic. You dont just shove off a player for 2 Cl semis and a Classico. Again, a player that few of us claim pedro is.

After the watford game has been the swansea game where pedro sat on the bench while moses came on and sandwiched between those games were the league cup game where moses was again the better player. So wont be one bit surprised if pedro was 4th choice at the moment.

Edited September 20, 20169 yr by didierforever

what are you talking about who said they played Tello because he is better defensively?