This is such an awful argument, Theo Walcott went to the World Cup and broke into the Arsenal team as a 17 year old, at the same age Xavi, Iniesta and Ronaldinho were awaiting their debut's in first team football at any club.

 

Infact if we are going to go by how young they started their career's, then Connor Wickham will be one of the best players in the world, and Freddy Adu would be the best player in football history, just because Lukaku had a better early part of his career than Drogba doesn't mean he is going to have a better career.

The only player I've ever coached who went on to become a professional footballer was a lad called Lee Jarman, who got picked for the full Wales squad at 17 (but managed to forget his passport and couldn't travel). They had huge hopes for him, but he was playing non-league by the time he was 21.

He has not shown any significant improvement since his west brom days. Its very unlikely he improves, this is his peak that we are seeing.

Also, only 60 of those goals came in the league. Just 15 goals a season.

I would take him as a back up striker but does it make any sense for that money and his poor attitude.,

Stopped reading when you said its very unlikely for a 23 year old to improve

Edited June 15, 201610 yr by TheChelseaBlues

Stopped reading when you said its very unlikely for a 23 year old to improve

 

Why? You have trouble understanding long sentenses?

 

Dont give up mate you'll get there someday. 

He was never in the team of the year before Mourinho came so you've just proved my point that Mourinho turns average defenders into class defenders.

Thank you and good night.

By 'seeing Bailly heaps' i assume you've watched a few youtube videos and that's it.

Lmao so he's gone from "he was never very good" to a "class defender" in the matter of a couple of comments. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

And no. I watch a lot of La Liga teams, especially the ones in CL and Europa.

Why? You have trouble understanding long sentenses?

Dont give up mate you'll get there someday.

You think it'll be around the same time you learn something about how players development? Mate.

Am I using that right? I have trouble with condescending nouns as well as long sentences.

Edited June 15, 201610 yr by TheChelseaBlues

This is such an awful argument, Theo Walcott went to the World Cup and broke into the Arsenal team as a 17 year old, at the same age Xavi, Iniesta and Ronaldinho were awaiting their debut's in first team football at any club.

 

Infact if we are going to go by how young they started their career's, then Connor Wickham will be one of the best players in the world, and Freddy Adu would be the best player in football history, just because Lukaku had a better early part of his career than Drogba doesn't mean he is going to have a better career.

Nice straw man argument but you've completely missed my point. I was never implying that Lukaku would emulate Drogba nor was I suggesting that Drogba and Lukaku are similar players.

 

I was referring to how much Drogba improved from when he was a 23 year old to when he hit his peak and using that as an example to highlight the fact that Lukaku is far from the finished article.

Always amuses me that some people will defend potential signings/players from other clubs far more passionately than they defend some of our own.

Lmao so he's gone from "he was never very good" to a "class defender" in the matter of a couple of comments. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

And no. I watch a lot of La Liga teams, especially the ones in CL and Europa.

 

Talking about shooting yourself in the foot yet you're acting like you haven't been contradicting yourself and helping prove every point i've ever made lmao.

 

Class doesn't mean he's a great defender. He was made to look better by defenders and midfielders around him. Something Mourinho will do at Utd. I think everyone on this forum knows i don't like Mourinho but even i can admit he always knows how to build a strong defence. For you to write off Utd's defence for next season already shows how little you truly know about football. 

Talking about shooting yourself in the foot yet you're acting like you haven't been contradicting yourself and helping prove every point i've ever made lmao.

Class doesn't mean he's a great defender. He was made to look better by defenders and midfielders around him. Something Mourinho will do at Utd. I think everyone on this forum knows i don't like Mourinho but even i can admit he always knows how to build a strong defence. For you to write off Utd's defence for next season already shows how little you truly know about football.

Mourinho does not make defenders good. He merely plays a system that makes it hard to score against because even strikers end up behind the ball. You could dump any sh*t truck CB in a Mourinho system and they will still be hard to score against because there will be eleven men behind the ball, not because Mourinho has some magic power that all of a sudden turns defenders into world beaters lol. It's pretty simple stuff really. You'll catch on eventually.

And "he's never been very good" to "he's class" to "class doesn't make him a great defender", lol. How's your crutch feeling from sitting on the fence so much?

Mourinho does not make defenders good. He merely plays a system that makes it hard to score against because even strikers end up behind the ball. You could dump any sh*t truck CB in a Mourinho system and they will still be hard to score against because there will be eleven men behind the ball, not because Mourinho has some magic power that all of a sudden turns defenders into world beaters lol. It's pretty simple stuff really. You'll catch on eventually.

And "he's never been very good" to "he's class" to "class doesn't make him a great defender", lol. How's your crutch feeling from sitting on the fence so much?

 

Were you deprived of oxygen as a child? You've just admitted yourself that Mourinho makes a defense that is hard to score against, which goes back to the original point of you saying Utd won't have a good defense next season. Not right you're not. 

Mourinho does not make defenders good. He merely plays a system that makes it hard to score against because even strikers end up behind the ball. You could dump any sh*t truck CB in a Mourinho system and they will still be hard to score against because there will be eleven men behind the ball, not because Mourinho has some magic power that all of a sudden turns defenders into world beaters lol. It's pretty simple stuff really. You'll catch on eventually.

And "he's never been very good" to "he's class" to "class doesn't make him a great defender", lol. How's your crutch feeling from sitting on the fence so much?

What complete tripe lol.

Jose helped turn JT into one of the best CB in European football and done the same with Ricky and Gallas.

I also don't recall having Drogba, Costa, Eidur, Crespo and co filling in at the back either.

You have spat the dummy out because posters on here don't rate Lukaku and now have gone on some inane ramble about CB's.

Give it up because the more you post the more foolish you become.

Were you deprived of oxygen as a child? You've just admitted yourself that Mourinho makes a defense that is hard to score against, which goes back to the original point of you saying Utd won't have a good defense next season. Not right you're not.

You suggested Smalling and Bailley will be as good as Terry and Cahill and I disputed that. Sunderland can be hard to score against but it doesn't mean their CBs are great.

What complete tripe lol.

Jose helped turn JT into one of the best CB in European football and done the same with Ricky and Gallas.

I also don't recall having Drogba, Costa, Eidur, Crespo and co filling in at the back either.

You have spat the dummy out because posters on here don't rate Lukaku and now have gone on some inane ramble about CB's.

Give it up because the more you post the more foolish you become.

Are you kidding? You don't recall us ever putting 10 men behind the ball under Mou?

You suggested Smalling and Bailley will be as good as Terry and Cahill and I disputed that. Sunderland can be hard to score against but it doesn't mean their CBs are great.

 

Smalling who had a great season last year and kept one of the best defensive records in the league and is picked ahead of Cahill for England. Yep, he's currently better than Cahill and Terry.

 

Bailly as i said before can't be judged as he's never played in this league yet. He has all the physical attributes to be an incredible centre half and i believe Mou can do with him what he started to do with Zouma.

 

So to summarise, yes. I do.

Are you kidding? You don't recall us ever putting 10 men behind the ball under Mou?

When defending a lead late on...pretty sure many teams do that.

If we played 10 men behind the ball as much as you are trying to make out then we simply wouldn't have scored as many goals as we did or win as many games as we did too.

Trying to claim that Jose could put any (in your own words 'sh*thouse') Cb into our team/system and they would be successful is simply not true.

Are you trying to say Jose didn't improve the likes of JT, Gallas and Ricky when he managed us?

When defending a lead late on...pretty sure many teams do that.

If we played 10 men behind the ball as much as you are trying to make out then we simply wouldn't have scored as many goals as we did or win as many games as we did too.

Trying to claim that Jose could put any (in your own words 'sh*thouse') Cb into our team/system and they would be successful is simply not true.

Are you trying to say Jose didn't improve the likes of JT, Gallas and Ricky when he managed us?

Whenever we played away against 'bigger' teams we put men behind the ball. Even when we played them at home we did it. Jose used to shut up games at half time to defend leads against smaller teams as well.

It was the system that helped Terry and Cahill. Having Matic parked in front of them (who is basically an extra defender, offered nothing going forward) and having players sit deep assisted the both of them. Azpillicueta, great defender, average going forward. Willian was basically a wing back. I even remember one game Jose played Zouma as a DM to mark Fellaini at SB. He used to do the same with Luiz. Why do you think he got rid of Mata and KDB? Because they didn't press and track back. How hard is it for you to admit that Jose prefers to play defensive systems that completed Cahill and Terry. They would've been exposed for pace if he didn't.

Also, if you didn't notice, he changed his tactics after Tottenham put 5 past us at WHL midway through the 14/15 season and at that point we started grinding out 1 nil wins. We scored freely early in that title winning season because sides hadn't figured out Fabregas.

Smalling who had a great season last year and kept one of the best defensive records in the league and is picked ahead of Cahill for England. Yep, he's currently better than Cahill and Terry.

Bailly as i said before can't be judged as he's never played in this league yet. He has all the physical attributes to be an incredible centre half and i believe Mou can do with him what he started to do with Zouma.

So to summarise, yes. I do.

You're so lost you've forgotten what the original argument was. Go back and sort it out. Otherwise don't bother quoting me. You're wasting both of our time.

You're so lost you've forgotten what the original argument was. Go back and sort it out. Otherwise don't bother quoting me. You're wasting both of our time.

 

Your original comment was Lukaku would walk through Utd's defense as it wouldn't be good. Several have then clocked you up on this and reminded you how good Mou makes his defenses. You've even admitted Mou doesn't concede much so when you are man enough we will accept your apology and we can move on from this cock up by you. 

Your original comment was Lukaku would walk through Utd's defense as it wouldn't be good. Several have then clocked you up on this and reminded you how good Mou makes his defenses. You've even admitted Mou doesn't concede much so when you are man enough we will accept your apology and we can move on from this cock up by you.

You realise we're comparing two completely different teams, right? How does the fact I think Mourinho's Chelsea were a tough team to score against mean that Lukaku won't be able to score against Smalling and Bailley? JT and Cahill in 2013 - 2015 are better than Smalling and Bailley. Matic is better than Schneiderlin, Azpi is better than Darmian, Ivanovic was better than whoever else LVG decided the throw back down there. Chelsea's defence > United's defence

Hence, as it stands, Lukaku will find it easier to score against Mou's United than he did against Chelsea in previous years. It's not rocket science. Here's my apology: I'm sorry your so stupid and struggle with comprehension.

Your original comment was Lukaku would walk through Utd's defense as it wouldn't be good. Several have then clocked you up on this and reminded you how good Mou makes his defenses. You've even admitted Mou doesn't concede much so when you are man enough we will accept your apology and we can move on from this cock up by you.

You realise we're comparing two completely different teams, right? How does the fact I think Mourinho's Chelsea were a tough team to score against mean that Lukaku won't be able to score against Smalling and Bailley? JT and Cahill in 2013 - 2015 are better than Smalling and Bailley. Matic is better than Schneiderlin, Azpi is better than Darmian, Ivanovic was better than whoever else LVG decided the throw back down there. Chelsea's defence > United's defence

Hence, as it stands, Lukaku will find it easier to score against Mou's United than he did against Chelsea in previous years. It's not rocket science. Here's my apology: I'm sorry you're so stupid and struggle with comprehension.

Grabs the popcorn*

You realise we're comparing two completely different teams, right? How does the fact I think Mourinho's Chelsea were a tough team to score against mean that Lukaku won't be able to score against Smalling and Bailley? JT and Cahill in 2013 - 2015 are better than Smalling and Bailley. Matic is better than Schneiderlin, Azpi is better than Darmian, Ivanovic was better than whoever else LVG decided the throw back down there. Chelsea's defence > United's defence

Hence, as it stands, Lukaku will find it easier to score against Mou's United than he did against Chelsea in previous years. It's not rocket science. Here's my apology: I'm sorry your so stupid and struggle with comprehension.

 

Oh look at this irony.

 

Utd conceded 35 goals last season without Mourinho. 

 

Chelsea conceded 32 the year before that with Mourinho. 

 

Not that much of a difference and you've already admitted that Mourinho will toughen that up and make it even better in your previous comments, whether that be through signings or tactics. 

 

Please stop digging holes for yourself. If you're gonna dig holes, at least bury yourself in them and don't resurface. 

Grabs the popcorn*

even in a thread about Lukaku we still manage to shift the focus to Jose

They are karma connected, I guess.