well come on KKB - you've been staring at my post for a good 10 minutes now - what say you & the rest of the trailer trash that seem to like your posts?

still waiting.....

oh...now KKB and his other 'friends' have left....tut tut

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Some of the posts here...

 

Can't believe there are fans who would pin all or most of the blame on Jose for our current predicament.

 

The man is arguably our most successful manager of all time. Yet when trouble comes, you blame him with such bitterness?

 

What an absolute disgrace.

Ahhhhh the famous net spend that we used to lAugh at arsenal for when defending wenger. Only thing is we didn't sell our best players that Jose wanted to keep (cech was second choice and staying wouldn't have made much difference to our plight).

Your net spend table is just clutching and shying away from the fact that the same team Jose won the league with and got praised for is the same team that he failed with 3 months later.

The blame must ultimately lie with the manager. If he had to sell Costa Cesc Eden then I could understand.

Please people get your head out of his behind. Wonder if he's still one of us if he signs for utd. Pathetic

gee...took you an hour to come back with that dirge.

 

so you don't cavil with the figures & dissemble instead. Football is a business. What those figures tell us is that over the period in question we won the double for very little outlay. But now - and rather than retract your nonsense you want to turn it around vis a vis Wenger. You disingenuous creep.

 

the point is that one can only get blood out of a stone for so long - once you stop spending/refreshing & combined with age & poor form, there's only one outcome. Or didn't you get that far in school?

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Some of the posts here...

 

Can't believe there are fans who would pin all or most of the blame on Jose for our current predicament.

 

The man is arguably our most successful manager of all time. Yet when trouble comes, you blame him with such bitterness?

 

What an absolute disgrace.

He is our most successful manager but if he takes the praise when it goes well, he must take the blame when it goes wrong.

We are in this predicament because of Jose. Any sensible fan and non biased neutral will tell you that.

You've got people coming out now trying to blame hiddink and saying we are no better lol. Newsflash, the atmosphere around the club is no longer toxic and we are unbeaten in the league since he joined. We are still in recovery mode and it will take a while to fix the mess he caused. If he replicated the league form we showed under Hiddink without self imploding we would be challenging at the top right now.

gee...took you an hour to come back with that dirge.

so you don't cavil with the figures & dissemble instead. Football is a business. What those figures tell us is that over the period in question we won the double for very little outlay. But now - and rather than retract your nonsense you want to turn it around vis a vis Wenger. You disingenuous creep.

the point is that one can only get blood out of a stone for so long - once you stop spending/refreshing & combined with age & poor form, there's only one outcome. Or didn't you get that far in school?

Your figures are total irrelevant rubbish if you're using them to defend Mourinhos self destruction.

They are figures from players he didn't trust and gave little playing time to. Generally fans pull up net spend to highlight that they've had to sell their best players and as such have a weaker squad. All of Jose's untouchable title winners remained and he lost the confidence of them all.

hehe...more tosh. The fact is that those who had a modicum of intelligence knew that half-way through last season after spuds taught us a lesson that this squad was over-achieving & on its last legs. That's why much later the owner didn't want to get rid of Jose - he knew by then if not before. But simpletons like you just want to to indulge in tabloidesque hyperbole & nonsense because it's so much easier isn't it. Tell me what have you ever done for the club?

Did you predict even after the community shield game that this side would finish outside be top 4? Everyone had us certs to finish at least 2ND.

Our lack of business in the summer is a poor excuse.

Arsenal only signed cech

Utd...well they are dross

City signed sterling (their fans on bluemoon don't rate him) and KDB(a player Jose didn't back).

Spurs signed no one of note, promoted youth and are flying for the title.

When you look at their net spend it makes your defence laughable. It's good how you leave out gross spend too show how much money Jose was given.

thoroughly sick of your malarkey & hyperbole as I am concerning your oft repeated 'neutral/non bias fan' reach which has been shown up for what it is: sterile polemic - you're a complete simpleton who continues to want to beat a rather threadbare drum which is that Mourinho is the only reason for our current predicament. It's completely dishonest.

The net spend point highlights the lack of new money put into the club. Now I see people say he didn't have to sell players he didn't want to, but you're still talking about a one-in, one-out policy that doesn't actually improve the squad. Anyone could see that during the run-in, we were lacking depth and that was the only thing the board had to fix in the summer.

 

Depth. 

 

I'm going to repeat it again because it's key here. Jose had maybe 13 players that he trusted in the run-in and that probably included Didier Drogba. 

 

In the summer we didn't increase depth. Last summer, we weakened the squad. That's the crux of this whole matter, whether you're using net spend to show that or you go through each deal we made in the summer.

 

We weakened our squad. 

 

How is that Jose's fault? What coach goes into the new season wanting a weaker squad, let alone Jose who has a track record that complete rebukes this notion? Arsenal improved their squad, even if it was in a minor way (although Cech isn't minor in my opinion). Man City improved their squad. United improved their squad probably.

 

All of these clubs set the tone at the very top. They wanted to get better. Our board did not do that and whether you still want to blame Jose for everything or not, there must be that little voice at the back of your head that says that these people are still in charge of our club and surely they have to improve.

Spurs signed no one of note, promoted youth and are flying for the title.

 

More being disingenuous. They signed 2 players who have both made over 30 appearances for the club. 

Did you predict even after the community shield game that this side would finish outside be top 4? Everyone had us certs to finish at least 2ND.

Our lack of business in the summer is a poor excuse.

Arsenal only signed cech

Utd...well they are dross

City signed sterling (their fans on bluemoon don't rate him) and KDB(a player Jose didn't back).

Spurs signed no one of note, promoted youth and are flying for the title.

When you look at their net spend it makes your defence laughable. It's good how you leave out gross spend too show how much money Jose was given.

Your such an idiot, of course net spend matters. You make out net spend don't matter if the players sold wasn't wanted by Jose. At the end of the day just because they was sold doesn't mean the players wasn't wanted.

Lukuka couldn't be promised first team football. Mata the money was too good to turn down for a club that likes to sell and buy. Cech couldn't be promised first team football. Jose might of wanted to keep them but maybe the club thought how can you turn down 28m for a sub forward.

The squad wasn't weakened. We just didn't really improve it and when you look at the lack of talent in the market, it's very hard to do.

The whole summer transfer business is just a smokescreen. Bottom line is regardless of bringing new faces he still had a top squad that won the title.

There is zero excuse for the way Jose caused embarresment to the club from Swansea onwards and zero excuse to why we were 16th after 16 games. You don't drop that far just because you didn't strengthen the squad with players who were difficult to sign anyway.

The net spend point highlights the lack of new money put into the club. Now I see people say he didn't have to sell players he didn't want to, but you're still talking about a one-in, one-out policy that doesn't actually improve the squad. Anyone could see that during the run-in, we were lacking depth and that was the only thing the board had to fix in the summer.

 

Depth. 

 

I'm going to repeat it again because it's key here. Jose had maybe 13 players that he trusted in the run-in and that probably included Didier Drogba. 

 

In the summer we didn't increase depth. Last summer, we weakened the squad. That's the crux of this whole matter, whether you're using net spend to show that or you go through each deal we made in the summer.

 

We weakened our squad. 

 

How is that Jose's fault? What coach goes into the new season wanting a weaker squad, let alone Jose who has a track record that complete rebukes this notion? Arsenal improved their squad, even if it was in a minor way (although Cech isn't minor in my opinion). Man City improved their squad. United improved their squad probably.

 

All of these clubs set the tone at the very top. They wanted to get better. Our board did not do that and whether you still want to blame Jose for everything or not, there must be that little voice at the back of your head that says that these people are still in charge of our club and surely they have to improve.

Arsenal improved there squad by a keeper who will gain them 10 points a season

Liverpool improved there squad

Utd improved there squad but the manager ain't all that.

City spent loads of money - Sterling, KDB, Otamendi, Delph. Bony in January.

Spurs - Wimmer, Trippier, Alderweireld, Son

All these teams improved there teams/squads.

So. No one must slag Jose (the special one) Mourhino off. To do so is sacrilege and utterly utterly wrong. One must not have their anti "special one" opinions on this forum because it is an idiotic opinion that has no substance. So if you're not a Mourinho supporter please keep your thoughts to yourself or join another forum. Thank you!

Your such an idiot, of course net spend matters. You make out net spend don't matter if the players sold wasn't wanted by Jose. At the end of the day just because they was sold doesn't mean the players wasn't wanted.

Lukuka couldn't be promised first team football. Mata the money was too good to turn down for a club that likes to sell and buy. Cech couldn't be promised first team football. Jose might of wanted to keep them but maybe the club thought how can you turn down 28m for a sub forward.

 

The decision to send Lukaku back out on loan after his successful premiership transition season at West Brom in favour of bring Eto'o is was singularly the worst decision Jose made. To think he preferred Eto'o, Torres and Ba. No wonder he said he was the happy one he must have been smoking some top notch weed when he made that decision.

Your such an idiot, of course net spend matters. You make out net spend don't matter if the players sold wasn't wanted by Jose. At the end of the day just because they was sold doesn't mean the players wasn't wanted.

Lukuka couldn't be promised first team football. Mata the money was too good to turn down for a club that likes to sell and buy. Cech couldn't be promised first team football. Jose might of wanted to keep them but maybe the club thought how can you turn down 28m for a sub forward.

You turn down 28m by giving that forward a chance and stop treating him like a sub.

Yes net spend does matter but not in the context of your defence for Jose failing this season.

Hiddink walks in and immediately our league form improves and we haven't lost a league game since. Not hard I must admit when the greatest manager in our history produces our worst start for over 25 years. All because his net spend was a measly 5 or so mil, yet he still went out and spent players worth more than the whole Leicester city squad, my heart bleeds.

The squad wasn't weakened. We just didn't really improve it and when you look at the lack of talent in the market, it's very hard to do.

 

 

You're absolutely wrong I'm afraid. I know that's your opinion but in every dealing bar the Pedro for Cuadrado/Salah trade, we came off worse.

 

Luis for Rahman - worse.

Drogba for Falcao - worse

Cech for Begovic - worse.

 

That's just as players. In terms of experience and character it's not even close. 

 

The signing of Kenedy was a great deal, but he was never expected to be as involved as he is and he's still largely potential.

 

 

The whole summer transfer business is just a smokescreen. Bottom line is regardless of bringing new faces he still had a top squad that won the title.

 

 

How is the way we prepare for the season and construct a squad a 'smokescreen'? Come on, are you actually being serious? 

 

Yes he won the league but did you actually watch the football from January to May? Did you look at the teamsheets? The matches against PSG?

 

We had a good first-team but beyond that we lacked options.

 

There is zero excuse for the way Jose caused embarresment to the club from Swansea onwards and zero excuse to why we were 16th after 16 games. You don't drop that far just because you didn't strengthen the squad with players who were difficult to sign anyway.

 

Mate if you genuinely want to blame it all on Jose then that's fine. I understand why because then there's no more problems at the club, all is fine and next year you'll get the end of season parade.

 

But there have been issues at this club for a while, the shifting philosophies, the development blocks, the continual loaning without progression. I'm sure you won't think Conte's transfer dealings will be inconsequential in the way you view Jose's in retrospect.

The decision to send Lukaku back out on loan after his successful premiership transition season at West Brom in favour of bring Eto'o is was singularly the worst decision Jose made. To think he preferred Eto'o, Torres and Ba. No wonder he said he was the happy one he must have been smoking some top notch weed when he made that decision.

 

Fair enough. I agree. He should've stayed. 

 

Granted I can't say for certain that he would've developed in the same way and given the choice in 2014, I'd have still gone with Costa as first-choice which is a decision I'd say is 100% vindicated, but yes it would still be lovely to have Lukaku on the bench.

 

Although if Lukaku is on the bench, what happens to Traore's minutes? What if we decide to sell Traore instead and he starts scoring goals too? Is that decision then the worst decision he made? If only these things were known certainties.

 

So. No one must slag Jose (the special one) Mourhino off. To do so is sacrilege and utterly utterly wrong. One must not have their anti "special one" opinions on this forum because it is an idiotic opinion that has no substance. So if you're not a Mourinho supporter please keep your thoughts to yourself or join another forum. Thank you!

 

The one thing Chelsea supporters have never really taken to is victimhood. They've always left the self-pity for our dipper friends.

Arsenal improved there squad by a keeper who will gain them 10 points a season

Liverpool improved there squad

Utd improved there squad but the manager ain't all that.

City spent loads of money - Sterling, KDB, Otamendi, Delph. Bony in January.

Spurs - Wimmer, Trippier, Alderweireld, Son

All these teams improved there teams/squads.

Now who's the idiot? Some of the signings you've named have had as much or at least no notable impact on the clubs performance than the signings we've made.

I would say the best signing made by a rival was KDB, the one we let go.

You turn down 28m by giving that forward a chance and stop treating him like a sub.

Yes net spend does matter but not in the context of your defence for Jose failing this season.

Hiddink walks in and immediately our league form improves and we haven't lost a league game since. Not hard I must admit when the greatest manager in our history produces our worst start for over 25 years. All because his net spend was a measly 5 or so mil, yet he still went out and spent players worth more than the whole Leicester city squad, my heart bleeds.

Didn't Chelsea sell Lukuka the same window they brought Costa. If so they can't exactly buy a proven top forward to say your going to sit on the subs bench. If Lukuka couldn't be offered first team football for that reason and he wanted to leave that's understandable.

The home form has been of a relegation team so that hasn't really improved. The undefeated draws have glossed over the performances which have still be quite poor and dull to watch apart from Costa.

Yes Chelsea moved up the table but I am sure if Mourinho was told forget everything else and play to DMs and concentrate on getting out of relegation he would of managed it.

Now who's the idiot? Some of the signings you've named have had as much or at least no notable impact on the clubs performance than the signings we've made.

I would say the best signing made by a rival was KDB, the one we let go.

They all improved there squads that's the point. Having sterling, KDB, Nasri, Navas, Silva, Toure, Bony and Aguero is a big quality squad. Having Delph, Fernando, Fernandinho are all options.

Edited March 13, 201610 yr by Ernie_blue

They all improved there squads that's the point  Having sterling, KDB, Nasri, Navas, Silva, Toure, Bony and Aguero is a big quality squad. Having Delph, Fernando, Fernandinho are all options.

 

Hey man, not worth getting in trouble calling people names. Look at what happened to Diego when he was getting needled by Barry and his mates yesterday. 

 

Here, this'll make you smile. Betis play Bilbao today and Musonda's playing. It'll be the 100th game between the two and they're tied on 33 wins each and 33 draws. 

 

Well not smile, but it's interesting. Make a little edit though.

Edited March 13, 201610 yr by ShedEnder91