8 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Onana was not a lot more and he's way, way better.

Gifted Real Madrid a goal the other day. Charged out when there was no need, miles off his line, lobbed.

2 minutes ago, dermott said:

Gifted Real Madrid a goal the other day. Charged out when there was no need, miles off his line, lobbed.

Cech passed over Onana and also Maignan when he was tasked with finding a new keeper, so in his (expert) view, both of them were inferior to Mendy.

There is a great "mistakes" video of Onana doing the rounds - some real howlers in there LOL

He fancies himself as an outfielder and seems allergic to his goal line. High-risk stuff and he's going to give MU bods a lot of heart attacks.

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

Onana was not a lot more and he's way, way better.

Don't think Utd will sell us him now buddy, pointless comparison. Anyone actually available now?

2 hours ago, reparto corse said:

Every other goal we concede is his fault. 

No one says every goal, but if you think it's a coincidence we're conceding goals we very rarely did with peak Mendy I've I've a bridge in San Francisco to sell you.

2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I don't think anyone is actually using that as an excuse, there just hasn't been any links to keepers that are a genuine upgrade. Why spend £40m on someone who is just as meh.

Literally the person I quoted above has used the 'statically one of the best' line, which is only based on last season and even then largely inflated due to a purple patch in Potter's early period.

Which is my point, was he good for his previous and our standards of that season? Yes. He was probably in top 2 with Silva but the key difference is, if I had to defend Silva's ability to anyone last season won't even enter my thought process let alone be the main angle.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Cech passed over Onana and also Maignan when he was tasked with finding a new keeper, so in his (expert) view, both of them were inferior to Mendy.

There is a great "mistakes" video of Onana doing the rounds - some real howlers in there LOL

Speaking of eccentric keepers, Barthez must be gutted he wasn't born 20 years later 🤣

Just now, Argo said:

Speaking of eccentric keepers, Barthez must be gutted he wasn't born 20 years later 🤣

LOL and imagine someone like René Higuita lining up for Man City 🙂 

@Argo I don't see where is the issue of Kepa being good last season as a main argument. It really depends how you want to look at it because you could also say that when he had the hardest time due to our team being the worst, that he managed to perform well, if it was the other way around, selling him and getting someone else would have been crucial at this point in time.

That same stat shows Ederson being among the worst and despite that, Man City won it all so how should we look at that big picture there? How much of a big factor is the keeper if the rest of the squad is winning matches? For us the only thing that matters is that Kepa doesn't let in a cheap goal from distance this upcoming season, if he can do that and keep his level from last season it can't be bad.

3 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

@Argo I don't see where is the issue of Kepa being good last season as a main argument. It really depends how you want to look at it because you could also say that when he had the hardest time due to our team being the worst, that he managed to perform well, if it was the other way around, selling him and getting someone else would have been crucial at this point in time.

That same stat shows Ederson being among the worst and despite that, Man City won it all so how should we look at that big picture there? How much of a big factor is the keeper if the rest of the squad is winning matches? For us the only thing that matters is that Kepa doesn't let in a cheap goal from distance this upcoming season, if he can do that and keep his level from last season it can't be bad.

Because if he was as good as being portrayed it wouldn't be considered his finest hour. And regarding not letting in the cheap goals even last season we lost around 10 points due to him doing just that which would be fatal trying to challenge Pep for the league.

Man.City are an anomaly due to the sheer amount of control they have on games, no other team in the history of the PL would have got away with the Ederson of last season in goal and won anything let alone the treble (to emphasis the point I think I read somewhere that in one of their title seasons they'd have still won even if they conceded every single shot on target).

22 minutes ago, Argo said:

No one says every goal, but if you think it's a coincidence we're conceding goals we very rarely did with peak Mendy I've I've a bridge in San Francisco to sell you.

Literally the person I quoted above has used the 'statically one of the best' line, which is only based on last season and even then largely inflated due to a purple patch in Potter's early period.

Which is my point, was he good for his previous and our standards of that season? Yes. He was probably in top 2 with Silva but the key difference is, if I had to defend Silva's ability to anyone last season won't even enter my thought process let alone be the main angle.

Kepa hardly played the 18 months before last season though, we're hardly going to use data from 2.5 years ago under Lampard to judge him. Looks like he's gone away and got his confidence back and is back to being a steady keeper like when under Sarri. By no means are we winning the quadruple with him, but he's good enough to get us through this season without wasting money on another average keeper when there are more pressing issues elsewhere in the squad such as the huge hole next to Enzo.

I think there needs to be a realisation between someone arguing he's good enough for next season, or whether he's genuinely one of the best keepers in the world. I don't think anyone on here is arguing the second point. He's a steady keeper, probably in the top 6-7 keepers in the league. Good enough for next season, upgrade due next summer when options present themselves.

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Kepa hardly played the 18 months before last season though, we're hardly going to use data from 2.5 years ago under Lampard to judge him. Looks like he's gone away and got his confidence back and is back to being a steady keeper like when under Sarri. By no means are we winning the quadruple with him, but he's good enough to get us through this season without wasting money on another average keeper when there are more pressing issues elsewhere in the squad such as the huge hole next to Enzo.

If we're waiting for the right profile I can see the plus side in that (I do still think we can get top four and maybe win a cup despite his flaws).

My main worry is Pochettino sees him as a long term option, or will if he has a season of doing the basics. 

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

If we're waiting for the right profile I can see the plus side in that (I do still think we can get top four and maybe win a cup despite his flaws).

My main worry is Pochettino sees him as a long term option, or will if he has a season of doing the basics. 

I wouldn't worry until there is actual evidence, actual proof of same. To the contrary, they have looked at alternatives and have decided, for various very good individual reasons, not to pursue them. 

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

If we're waiting for the right profile I can see the plus side in that (I do still think we can get top four and maybe win a cup despite his flaws).

My main worry is Pochettino sees him as a long term option, or will if he has a season of doing the basics. 

Pochettino isn't daft, Kepa would have to have genuinely improved tenfold to be considered a reliable long term option. Having said that, he managed to make Lloris look world class for all those years. If he can do the same with Kepa and iron out his issues there's worse problems to have.

42 minutes ago, Argo said:

Because if he was as good as being portrayed it wouldn't be considered his finest hour. And regarding not letting in the cheap goals even last season we lost around 10 points due to him doing just that which would be fatal trying to challenge Pep for the league.

Man.City are an anomaly due to the sheer amount of control they have on games, no other team in the history of the PL would have got away with the Ederson of last season in goal and won anything let alone the treble (to emphasis the point I think I read somewhere that in one of their title seasons they'd have still won even if they conceded every single shot on target).

If it is his best season statistically what else can he do about it? He was in a decent plus when it came down to prevented goals so I doubt you can accuse him of costing us 10 points last season which is my point he can't be blamed for our worst season, last season.

This article from a month ago even puts his prevented goals in +6 so if he did cost us 10 points it was in another way:
Chelsea Squad Audit: What Will Mauricio Pochettino Address Next? (theanalyst.com)

15 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

If it is his best season statistically what else can he do about it? He was in a decent plus when it came down to prevented goals so I doubt you can accuse him of costing us 10 points last season which is my point he can't be blamed for our worst season, last season.

This article from a month ago even puts his prevented goals in +6 so if he did cost us 10 points it was in another way:
Chelsea Squad Audit: What Will Mauricio Pochettino Address Next? (theanalyst.com)

City, Fulham, Spurs, Everton, that's 8 undebatable ones, and ironically the latter started due to poor distribution which is suppose to be his main selling point. 3 of those errors were a lot worse than most of things Mendy was getting criticised for so why shouldn't he be held to the same standards? Infact he should be held to higher standards given his price tag and the fact he doesn't have the body of world class work Edou does.

But like I said despite that he was good scaled for his prior level but he needs to do a lot more to change my view, just like Begovic being good in 15/16 didn't convince me either.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

City, Fulham, Spurs, Everton, that's 8 undebatable ones, and ironically the latter started due to poor distribution which is suppose to be his main selling point. 3 of those errors were a lot worse than most of things Mendy was getting criticised for so why shouldn't he be held to the same standards? Infact he should be held to higher standards given his price tag and the fact he doesn't have the body of world class work Edou does.

But like I said despite that he was good scaled for his prior level but he needs to do a lot more to change my view, just like Begovic being good in 15/16 didn't convince me either.

Mendy single-handedly cost us the Madrid tie in the CL.

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Mendy single-handedly cost us the Madrid tie in the CL.

 what did Kepa cost? in monetary value and games( Kepa is so bad we are here discussing replacements ) 

Onana is miles ahead of every Goalie currently in our squad 

Now post the YouTube of him recklessly gifting Real Madrid a goal the other day.

43 minutes ago, KokeFran96 said:

Onana is miles ahead of every Goalie currently in our squad 

Regardless of ability, he's not attainable. Courtois is better too but we can't get him. Try and actually offer a realistic alternative to Kepa and we can have discussion. Posting random youtube clips of Onana is pointless and honestly a waste of space on this thread.

47 minutes ago, KokeFran96 said:

 what did Kepa cost? in monetary value and games( Kepa is so bad we are here discussing replacements ) 

Name a single replacement we should go for right now.

54 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Mendy single-handedly cost us the Madrid tie in the CL.

Which is why I said most, and let's be honest if Kepa ever plays a key role in a UCL win he'll get a pass for a lot more than that.

3 hours ago, Argo said:

If we're waiting for the right profile I can see the plus side in that (I do still think we can get top four and maybe win a cup despite his flaws).

My main worry is Pochettino sees him as a long term option, or will if he has a season of doing the basics. 

I think the fact remains that Kepa only has 2 years left on his contract (yes it's been 5 years already! Time flies) and there's no rumours about a new contract for him. 

If we thought he was the long term option, he's be kept on. But financially replacing Kepa will be very expensive and probably very difficult based on his current wages.

Either he looks class this year and gets that new contract, or he's pushed out next summer. 

I don't think he will look top class, I agree with you that there's serious deficiencies in his game. But he's good enough for us to get top 4.

39 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

But he's good enough for us to get top 4.

Yep. MU made top 4.