44 minutes ago, Valerie said:

I think those wonder boys who are the directors in charge are not looking to sign a new goalie, hoping one of the gazillion young keepers we have is ready to step up.

Well there are 4 of them on the USA tour trying to create a strong impression, so fingers crossed one of them steps up.

Slonina ; Cumming ; Beach ; Bergstrom

I'm intrigued to see what happens with David Raya, who is probably the best keeper likely available right now. Suspect Onana will provide us with some decent Man United piss take opportunities before too long.  The most under-rated keeper in the PL in my opinion is Fulham's Bernd Leno, who is always near the top of the main GK stats. I also like Emi Martinez, whose experience, personality and fire might be useful in this inexperienced squad of ours ... not to mention having a guy at the back who is 6'5" tall and can command his area is always useful.

 

17 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I think Mendy gets a really bum rap on here.

He was much better for us than many posters make out.

Did he go off the boil ? Sure.  But you can't take away that in his first sixty odd games he was the business.

The main reason I think he was sold rather than Kepa is that Kepa is on £175K a week and has a decent chunk of his ridiculous transfer fee still on our books, Not good for us to sell him on an FFP basis, even if (and that's a big if) we could find another club to take him on on those kind of wages. 

I like Kepa though. He seems like a decent character, and certainly none of the keepers offered up as his replacement are any better than he is ... 

Kepa got to stay because Mendy had a huge dip in form and in performances in general, if Mendy had been at least at his 60% best I have no doubt that the club could have sold Kepa instead but Mendy somehow lost his place while Kepa proved to be a more stable player overall regardless of the wages.

Kepa won the save-of-the-season award last season and in about 1/3 of the matches he did manage to keep a clean sheet so he was actually top 6 in save percentage and 5th in PSxG-GA, his performances alone while the rest of the team was terrible resulted in him staying, not his wages or anything money-related.

22 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Kepa got to stay because Mendy had a huge dip in form and in performances in general, if Mendy had been at least at his 60% best I have no doubt that the club could have sold Kepa instead but Mendy somehow lost his place while Kepa proved to be a more stable player overall regardless of the wages.

Kepa won the save-of-the-season award last season and in about 1/3 of the matches he did manage to keep a clean sheet so he was actually top 6 in save percentage and 5th in PSxG-GA, his performances alone while the rest of the team was terrible resulted in him staying, not his wages or anything money-related.

There are some around here who will never be convinced no matter the evidence. In the same way, conversely, that some people are convinced Jacob Rees-Mogg is a human being.

23 minutes ago, dermott said:

There are some around here who will never be convinced no matter the evidence.

If you've got some solid evidence he's a keeper capable of being #1 in a title or UCL winning team then please, I'm all ears.

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

If you've got some solid evidence he's a keeper capable of being #1 in a title or UCL winning team then please, I'm all ears.

Has anyone actually said that? I'm sure most are just saying he's better than Mendy and good enough to get us through until next season when the GK market may be better than what is currently available. 

Oh dear, goalkeeping stats klaxon.

A goalkeeper who faces more shots per game will generally make more saves per game than a goalkeeper who faces fewer shots per game. 

Or maybe Eldin Jakupović is the best goalkeeper of all time and we all somehow collectively failed to notice. 

Just now, RIP Mourinho said:

Has anyone actually said that? I'm sure most are just saying he's better than Mendy and good enough to get us through until next season when the GK market may be better than what is currently available. 

Then I guess the poster needs to define what he means by 'convinced'.

Am I 'convinced' he'll do until we start aiming higher than top four? I guess, but ultimately in a PL we have to topple Pep to win he will cost us too many points.

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Has anyone actually said that? I'm sure most are just saying he's better than Mendy and good enough to get us through until next season when the GK market may be better than what is currently available. 

I'm not a great statistician but I don't remember Kepa ever having a season as good as Mendy's when we won the Champions League. 

I just think that Mendy's best is better than Kepa's. I also think that Kepa's worst is  worse than Mendy's.

1 minute ago, Andy North said:

I'm not a great statistician but I don't remember Kepa ever having a season as good as Mendy's when we won the Champions League. 

I just think that Mendy's best is better than Kepa's. I also think that Kepa's worst is  worse than Mendy's.

Mendy's season was only classed as so good because the defence in front of him was out standing. 

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

Then I guess the poster needs to define what he means by 'convinced'.

Am I 'convinced' he'll do until we start aiming higher than top four? I guess, but ultimately in a PL we have to topple Pep to win he will cost us too many points.

Looking back at what they were replying to i was under the impression they were just talking about the reasons why Kepa was kept over Mendy this summer, not that Kepa is good enough to challenge for a title with. 

18 minutes ago, Argo said:

If you've got some solid evidence he's a keeper capable of being #1 in a title or UCL winning team then please, I'm all ears.

I don't believe he's close to a woldclass keeper, those that used to be that showed very fast how good they were when it came down to commanding their own area and Kepa looks to lack that quality, I believe... So Mendy at his best is clearly better than Kepa but keep in mind that he's now entering his peak years, keepers do tend to be at their best a bit later.

1 minute ago, PloKoon13 said:

Oh dear, goalkeeping stats klaxon.

A goalkeeper who faces more shots per game will generally make more saves per game than a goalkeeper who faces fewer shots per game. 

Or maybe Eldin Jakupović is the best goalkeeper of all time and we all somehow collectively failed to notice. 

Yes but if Kepa is terrible at making saves it wouldn't have helped him to have less protection and more shots going his way, it could been said when Sarri tried to hide his flaws by just keeping possession in order to avoid our defense being exposed that Kepa was actually hiding, but after last season Kepa showed that he isn't a bad keeper, maybe not among the best but not among the worst either.

For example DeGea had more saves in total but a slightly lower saving percentage in comparison to Kepa.

11 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Mendy's season was only classed as so good because the defence in front of him was out standing. 

And how many shots were prevented due to Mendy clearing and catching crosses? Or his mere presence making opponents thinking twice about hitting one from 30 yards? We also went from being by the far the weakest team at at pieces to arguably the best.

We may have ended the season with an outstanding defense but he certainly didn't come into a team with one, we conceded 6 goals in the first 3 games prior to his arrival and a further 3 in the game he was injured in shortly after his debut, to put that into context it took until boxing day for Mendy to concede as many as we did in those 4 games without him.

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

And how many shots were prevented due to Mendy clearing and catching crosses? Or his mere presence making opponents thinking twice about hitting one from 30 yards? We also went from being by the far the weakest team at at pieces to arguably the best.

We may have ended the season with an outstanding defense but he certainly didn't come into a team with one, we conceded 6 goals in the first 3 games prior to his arrival and a further 3 in the game he was injured in shortly after his debut, to put that into context it took until boxing day for Mendy to concede as many as we did in those 4 games without him.

Under the crosses section on the previous post.

Crosses faced - Opponents attempted crosses into penalty area

Kepa - 11.6 per 90

Mendy - 11 per 90

Crosses stopped - Number of crosses into the penalty area successfully stopped by the goalkeeper 

Kepa - 0.53

Mendy 0.54

 

This is just simply comparing Mendy's CL winning season to Kepa's season last year. Like i said, Mendy wasn't that much better than Kepa, its just Kepa's form was at rock bottom before Mendy came in.

In the PL, Mendy conceded 70 goals in his Chelsea career in the equivalent of 74 games. To date, Kepa has conceded 129 in the equivalent of 105 games.

So Mendy is 0.95 goals conceded per game vs Kepa 1.23 conceded per game : essentially a difference of 10 extra goals conceded by Kepa over the course of a 38 game season.

Personally I'd take Mendy every time. Irrelevant now though 🙂 

17 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

In the PL, Mendy conceded 70 goals in his Chelsea career in the equivalent of 74 games. To date, Kepa has conceded 129 in the equivalent of 105 games.

So Mendy is 0.95 goals conceded per game vs Kepa 1.23 conceded per game : essentially a difference of 10 extra goals conceded by Kepa over the course of a 38 game season.

Personally I'd take Mendy every time. Irrelevant now though 🙂 

Doesn't take in to account so many variables such as type of shots they're facing. Post-shot expected goals minus goals allowed per 90 is a better judge. They're above for Mendy's CL season and Kepa's last season but i absolutely cannot be bothered to go back through every seasons data.

Put that stat against Kepa’s later season better form against Mendy’s current/last form and I think it’d be a world of difference!

Also, taking into account the defence in front of Mendy during his good period and team form! Kepa stepped up when needed while Mendy was putting area passes at the top of the East stand!

 

15 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Doesn't take in to account so many variables such as type of shots they're facing. Post-shot expected goals minus goals allowed per 90 is a better judge. They're above for Mendy's CL season and Kepa's last season but i absolutely cannot be bothered to go back through every seasons data.

It takes out all the subjective stuff determined by some bored data geek pressing a key pad  while watching a match, and focuses on the cold hard fact of conceding goals. Best stat going !

 

3 hours ago, Mod said:

Put that stat against Kepa’s later season better form against Mendy’s current/last form and I think it’d be a world of difference!

Doesn't the fact that last season being considered Kepa's finest hour inadvertently prove my point?

3 hours ago, Mod said:

Also, taking into account the defence in front of Mendy during his good period and team form! Kepa stepped up when needed while Mendy was putting area passes at the top of the East stand!

What about the mere 3 goals conceded in his first 12 playing in Frank's set up?

To put that into context we conceded 6 in 4 games that season before he came in and 3 in the game he missed in that period.

We are being linked (again) to Raya (alright option) Sanchez (hard pass) Martinez (yes please) and Trubin from Shakatar (no idea).

Was looking at Kepa's weaknesses vs our alleged transfer targets and I will say they are a massive upgrade. 

 

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Crosses Stopped per 90min          (# of crosses in the penalty area that were successfully stopped by the GK)

Faced / Stopped / Stopped %

Kepa : 11.6 /0.53/ 4.5%

Costa : 12.2 / 0.91 / 7.5%

Mamardashvili : 12.0 / 0.92 / 7.7%

 

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Successful Progressive Passes per 90min

Into the final third   /  Key Passes (leading to a shot)

Kepa : 0.21/ 0.00

Costa : 0.79 / 0.06

Mamardashvili : 0.45 / 0.00

 

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Goals conceded from outside the box per 90min

Kepa : 0.3

Costa : 0.1

Mamardashvili : 0

 

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=28d596a0&p1yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id2=e9c0c1b2&p2yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id3=fcb38f57&p3yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id4=6a713852&p4yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id5=93fffbcf&p5yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id6=d4b73232&p6yrfrom=2022-2023

https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/

Edited July 26, 20232 yr by Sconnie Blue

 

 

Surely we couldn't get Martinez could we? Have a word Enzo!

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Was looking at Kepa's weaknesses vs our alleged transfer targets and I will say they are a massive upgrade. 

 

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=28d596a0&p1yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id2=e9c0c1b2&p2yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id3=fcb38f57&p3yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id4=6a713852&p4yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id5=93fffbcf&p5yrfrom=2022-2023&player_id6=d4b73232&p6yrfrom=2022-2023

https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/

Updated to Felix's report. (Kepa's weaknesses vs our GK targets)

1. Crosses Stopped per 90min          (# of crosses in the penalty area that were successfully stopped by the GK)

Faced / Stopped / Stopped %

Martinez : 13.8 /1.72/ 12.4% 

Raya : 15.7 /1.37/ 8.7%

Kepa : 11.6 /0.53/ 4.5%

 

2. Successful Progressive Passes per 90min

Into the final third   /  Key Passes (leading to a shot)

Raya : 1.97 / 0.05

Martinez : 0.60 / 0.06

Kepa : 0.21 / 0.00

 

3. Goals conceded from outside the box per 90min

Martinez : 0.1

Raya : 0.3

Kepa : 0.3

 

Martinez clear. 

Why are we getting our knickers all twisted over some YouTuber who has a heady 6,150 subscribers LOL.

My cat has more than that, and I don't have a cat !

 

13 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Why are we getting our knickers all twisted over some YouTuber who has a heady 6,150 subscribers LOL.

My cat has more than that, and I don't have a cat !

 

My dog salutes you.