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I dont like to hear Jose make excuses but he is only saying what we all think, UTD have always seemed to get the decisions but this season has been a lot more obvious.

that said we should still have tken our chance today and Jose would not have needed to come across as a whinger icon_wink.gif

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I dont like to hear Jose make excuses but he is only saying what we all think, UTD have always seemed to get the decisions but this season has been a lot more obvious.

that said we should still have tken our chance today and Jose would not have needed to come across as a whinger icon_wink.gif

What chances? We didn't create much. The only two chances that I can think of is Lampards shot and Joes chance in the final minutes.

Then we might have had a penalty as Carr (or was it Sibierski?) seemed to try and hug JT to death.

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Pretty upbeat comments. Not how I feel after that performance and result!

What he should also have said that Manure didn't just avoid 2 penalties (and thereby manage to pick up a point v Boro). They also avoided two red cards for Heinze and O'Shea, who'd have been banned for a game, too. With their current defensive injuries, those suspensions could have been crucial.

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Thing was it was down to his mistakes today not the players - he got team selection wrong - and the tactics with that stupid diamond which allowed Carr and Solano to have an afternoon off.

And did the ball actually touch Carr's hand?

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I dont like to hear Jose make excuses but he is only saying what we all think, UTD have always seemed to get the decisions but this season has been a lot more obvious.

that said we should still have tken our chance today and Jose would not have needed to come across as a whinger icon_wink.gif

What chances? We didn't create much. The only two chances that I can think of is Lampards shot and Joes chance in the final minutes.

Then we might have had a penalty as Carr (or was it Sibierski?) seemed to try and hug JT to death.

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I said "chance today" as in the game itself, we just never looked like making a decent chance in the game, maybe Bridges shot could have at least tested the keeper and Joey might have got more of a touch on his attempt but we are clutching at straws, it was a bad performance.

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Thing was it was down to his mistakes today not the players - he got team selection wrong - and the tactics with that stupid diamond which allowed Carr and Solano to have an afternoon off.

And did the ball actually touch Carr's hand?

Agreed totally. Just back in so apologies if I repeat what others nay have already said in the other thread. Newcastle are notoriously weak in the full back position and yet we set out with a formation today which was never going to put the full backs under pressure and was going to give them the freedom to get forward.

Not Jose's best moment.

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Why oh why! does he have to come out with this sort of stuff ? moaning about a very dubious ball to arm contact (if in fact there WAS any contact) and saying about rule changes that we should not get penalties etc etc.

Surely by now he must realise that the media will chew him up & spit him out on this, they will all have a field day, from Andy bloody Gray down to every phone in anti Chelsea presenter to the most Jr hack in the tabloids, all season he has (for the best part anyway!) been gracious, humourous and honest in most of his interviews, and even started to get some respect and sympathy, (albeit grudgingly and through gritted teeth in most cases) but then comes out with stupid comments like this which will only give more ammunition to the tossers who love to throw this sort of thing straight back at us.

I have decided not to read any papers tomorrow, not because of the dismal performance today, but because I imagine most of the headlines will centre around his comments and not the game itself, Jose, we love you to death mate, but please enough of this childish" Wenger like" whinging and just accept that today we were pants.

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I seriously don't know what has happened to Lamps, he has played a lot of games this season but Lamps has always played a lot of games every season but still performed. Is it the contracts stalling, is he thinking of Catalunia, I don't know what it is but he has to sort it out quick if we are to have any chance of winning one let alone the quadruple.

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Why oh why! does he have to come out with this sort of stuff ? moaning about a very dubious ball to arm contact (if in fact there WAS any contact) and saying about rule changes that we should not get penalties etc etc.

Surely by now he must realise that the media will chew him up & spit him out on this, they will all have a field day, from Andy bloody Gray down to every phone in anti Chelsea presenter to the most Jr hack in the tabloids, all season he has (for the best part anyway!) been gracious, humourous and honest in most of his interviews, and even started to get some respect and sympathy, (albeit grudgingly and through gritted teeth in most cases) but then comes out with stupid comments like this which will only give more ammunition to the tossers who love to throw this sort of thing straight back at us.

I have decided not to read any papers tomorrow, not because of the dismal performance today, but because I imagine most of the headlines will centre around his comments and not the game itself, Jose, we love you to death mate, but please enough of this childish" Wenger like" whinging and just accept that today we were pants.

Come on! Don't you get it yet? Really?

Look at the back pages today. What does it say? Chelsea had a stinker or Mourinho moans about penalties? He is protecting the players from criticism and making sure that the pressure falls on him.

He has done it enough times now - I'm surprised the press hasn't worked it out - or maybe they have but they just can't resist the story!

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Why oh why! does he have to come out with this sort of stuff ? moaning about a very dubious ball to arm contact (if in fact there WAS any contact) and saying about rule changes that we should not get penalties etc etc.

Surely by now he must realise that the media will chew him up & spit him out on this, they will all have a field day, from Andy bloody Gray down to every phone in anti Chelsea presenter to the most Jr hack in the tabloids, all season he has (for the best part anyway!) been gracious, humourous and honest in most of his interviews, and even started to get some respect and sympathy, (albeit grudgingly and through gritted teeth in most cases) but then comes out with stupid comments like this which will only give more ammunition to the tossers who love to throw this sort of thing straight back at us.

I have decided not to read any papers tomorrow, not because of the dismal performance today, but because I imagine most of the headlines will centre around his comments and not the game itself, Jose, we love you to death mate, but please enough of this childish" Wenger like" whinging and just accept that today we were pants.

Come on! Don't you get it yet? Really?

Look at the back pages today. What does it say? Chelsea had a stinker or Mourinho moans about penalties? He is protecting the players from criticism and making sure that the pressure falls on him.

He has done it enough times now - I'm surprised the press hasn't worked it out - or maybe they have but they just can't resist the story!

I tend to agree. They can't resist the story. A lot of managers would have been ranting at the players, something Jose doesn't do. Yes it was a setback, yes it was a poor performance, yes it was a massive disappointment. But we're still competing on three fronts, and have a massive game on Wednesday. And that's what's important now. Predictably enough, this morning the press and radio are rattling on about what he said with no mention of who was rubbish yesterday, who looked tired, and so on.

As for what Jose actually said, it's undeniable that the Mancs get far more than their fair sure of penalties, and far less than their fair share of penalties awarded against them. Maybe it was stretching a point to say that we should have had two penalties yesterday. Well so bloody what? It's also true that media-hype about Chelsea players being the worst divers out there has contributed to blatant penalties not being awarded. Isn't it strange how rarely Stephen Gerrard's name fails to crop up in the list of worst divers in the Premiership? But I digress. Yes I know a lot of supporters are annoyed, irritated, even embarrassed by Jose's comments. Not me mate. I find it extremely difficult not to regard a large proportion of the press, and the media in general, as The Enemy. And without bothering to rake up any of the countless examples of anti-Chelsea FC propaganda spread about by the press, another way to look at Jose's little "tirade" yesterday is as counter-propaganda. Not as daft as I look is our Jose.

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It can go both ways though. Yes it draws the attention away from the players but excessive comments about refs can have a detrimental effect on future decisions. I'm not necessarily saying refs will deliberately give decisions against us that they know they shouldn't have just because Jose had a moan but if he annoys them enough then you may well find that the 50 50 ones will rarely go our way. Lets face it its a pretty usual standard human reaction, someone bitches about you and you are, even sub conciously, less likely to look favourably on them in future when you have a decision to make.

I don't think he needed to make an effort to draw attention away form the player's for yesterday's performance. We were poor and if the papers said that then so be it, the players know it, Jose knows it, whether the papers say it or not doesn't really matter. In fact if the papers slagged the players off and said they had blown their chance of the title then it may have actually done some good in terms of spurring them on.

I think Jose should have kept quiet on these penalty claims. The handball would have been an iffy decision and if we had got a penalty for the holding of JT in the box then Ricky would concede 10 a season!

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I think Jose should have kept quiet on these penalty claims. The handball would have been an iffy decision and if we had got a penalty for the holding of JT in the box then Ricky would concede 10 a season!

Well there's that as well icon_wink.gif

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The reason why referees bottle the decisions against manure is because they are scared of fergie.

Jose is quite right to highlight their errors so that they know if they get them wrong they will get some comeback from him. If the decisions go unchallenged then they will not change.

I know it make Jose look like he is moaning again, but I would rather have a manager that states it as it is.

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It can go both ways though. Yes it draws the attention away from the players but excessive comments about refs can have a detrimental effect on future decisions. I'm not necessarily saying refs will deliberately give decisions against us that they know they shouldn't have just because Jose had a moan but if he annoys them enough then you may well find that the 50 50 ones will rarely go our way. Lets face it its a pretty usual standard human reaction, someone bitches about you and you are, even sub conciously, less likely to look favourably on them in future when you have a decision to make.

I don't think he needed to make an effort to draw attention away form the player's for yesterday's performance. We were poor and if the papers said that then so be it, the players know it, Jose knows it, whether the papers say it or not doesn't really matter. In fact if the papers slagged the players off and said they had blown their chance of the title then it may have actually done some good in terms of spurring them on.

I think Jose should have kept quiet on these penalty claims. The handball would have been an iffy decision and if we had got a penalty for the holding of JT in the box then Ricky would concede 10 a season!

I would think that it would be more likely to work in our favour to be honest. and I definitely think he was doing what he always does - deflect attention from the players. He sees it as an important part of his job and it is as predictable as Xmas. It doesn't matter if it was because we were poor or not, he just wants all the attention on him - not for his own vanity but just to ease it on the players - and they must be feeling it.

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excessive comments about refs can have a detrimental effect on future decisions. I'm not necessarily saying refs will deliberately give decisions against us that they know they shouldn't have just because Jose had a moan but if he annoys them enough then you may well find that the 50 50 ones will rarely go our way.

If a ref has to make a decisions, surely he calls it as he sees it, and if he keeps missing those calls he is not going to get away with it for long,(certainly with Jose, fergie or any manager highlighting the fact) can not see where 50-50 comes into it, either it is a free kick or a penalty, an as such it should be given. Referees are human, they make mistakes just like any one else, so it does not hurt, and more likely to help if managers remind them that they have made those mistakes, so they do not make the same mistakes twice.

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I would imagine there are many decisions that a ref makes where he is far from sure what to give and he has to make an instantaneous judgement. of course the rule should be 'if in doubt you don't give it' but that is more relevant to theory than to practice. When a ref makes a judgement call is it so hard to believe that the manager who has questioned his integrity before may get the raw end of the deal? Of course you could argue that a weaker person would favour the manager who has criticised just to prove that they aren't biased in any way.

I have no objection to managers pointing out glaring errors by refs and I would think that the majority of refs, when they watch the game again on tele, will privately accept that the manager was right to be anoyed by a bad mistake on their part. However what I am talking about here is the practice of having a go at a ref for a decision which mant would argue was the correct decision. That is when I think a manager will run the risk of alienating refs more.

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