12 minutes ago, Ph.c. said:

So no one else here thinks that he needs to take responsibility? That it’s all on the ref? That his diving were unsportsmanlike?

Diving was stupid and I hope he learns from it. I like a player who employs the dark arts but that was not dark arts that was stupid.

 

I still love that mad man though 😂

On 16/12/2024 at 16:16, dkw said:

Stupid yellow, but when you want consistency in the league from refs its ridiculous compared to what happened at the Wolves game where no one got booked.

It's also really stupid that the ref can book someone when the final whistle is already blown.

49 minutes ago, Ph.c. said:

So no one else here thinks that he needs to take responsibility? That it’s all on the ref? That his diving were unsportsmanlike?

Not for me. "Unsportsmanlike conduct" is overrated when we have been on the receiving end of hair pulls, violent tackles, punches, elbows, huge amount of stoppages added by refs and whatever else.

If Stephen Hunt didn't get booked for the injury he caused to Petr Cech, why should I care when some of our players make inconsequential dives for "unsportsmanlike conduct"

 

1 hour ago, Ph.c. said:

Sorry, the last part about the first yellow. And no, I didn’t mean you literally, just that fans are extremely bad at judging their own players. Not that it’s a surprise 

Oh, i agree mate to an extent. I think it's just human nature though. Some will blindly be biased but you'll find some on the other end of the spectrum too.

I'm personally on the edge, for the example above. I didn't like what cucu did but as it goes unpunished and other teams/players do it to us, I'm very mehhh on the subject tbh. 

I'm more on the line of change the rules but as long as the rules are there I hope maresca can teach them the dark arts stuff after he's dealt with defence. Lol

Attack and midfield sorted...he's got defence, dark arts and learning to control the game and be boring when in the lead lessons to do, imo. And it's not only how but also what to expect from other players. 

These are all lessons they will gain with experience anyway tbh...

3 hours ago, POCH OUT said:

So 3 days on and still nothing

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wolves-star-matheus-cunha-could-30590394

Finally, charged by FA

16 hours ago, Llangennech said:

Re. the laws of the sport, I'd ban heading, get rid of the penalty spot, go to 10-a-side, have a 90m v 60m pitch, reduce the goal slightly to 7.2m v 2.3m, 15m goalkeepers box, 5m box for a goal-kick, 10m centre-circle. Players 10m back for a free-kick. 1m line for corners.    

Why did you write this? 

On 01/08/2022 at 12:52, Zeta said:

I like Cucurella. I think he'd be a great signing if we can get him. 

FInally starting to seem like I knew what I was talking about.

3 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Why did you write this? 

To improve the sport as a TV spectacle. 

11 hours ago, Deino said:

Not for me. "Unsportsmanlike conduct" is overrated when we have been on the receiving end of hair pulls, violent tackles, punches, elbows, huge amount of stoppages added by refs and whatever else.

If Stephen Hunt didn't get booked for the injury he caused to Petr Cech, why should I care when some of our players make inconsequential dives for "unsportsmanlike conduct"

Every team has been treated unfairly over the years. And the violent offenses you mention are mostly caught by VAR or at least sanctioned post match nowadays.

But diving and faking injuries to try to get others sent off is a direct threat to the game, I think. So we need refs to punish that consistently as well. Really sad it’s been imported from Spain and Italy.

2 hours ago, Ph.c. said:

Every team has been treated unfairly over the years. And the violent offenses you mention are mostly caught by VAR or at least sanctioned post match nowadays.

But diving and faking injuries to try to get others sent off is a direct threat to the game, I think. So we need refs to punish that consistently as well. Really sad it’s been imported from Spain and Italy.

In my 20's, I would have agreed but nowadays I don't really care. I'd rather these players dive than actually seeing them injure themselves to "play games the right way"

I've seen sporting careers (both men's and youth) ended trying to play it the honorable and "right way"

6 hours ago, Deino said:

In my 20's, I would have agreed but nowadays I don't really care. I'd rather these players dive than actually seeing them injure themselves to "play games the right way"

I've seen sporting careers (both men's and youth) ended trying to play it the honorable and "right way"

Well, it’s not either or, is it? How is diving preventing injuries?

For me the game always comes first. I’d rather we never won anything again than seeing football succumb to cheating. But that’s just how I feel, I’ve never been able to enjoy winning anything by cheating either.

15 hours ago, Llangennech said:

To improve the sport as a TV spectacle. 

Change for changes sake. It would help the woman's game, the men's game doesn't need changing. 

6 hours ago, Ph.c. said:

Well, it’s not either or, is it? How is diving preventing injuries?

For me the game always comes first. I’d rather we never won anything again than seeing football succumb to cheating. But that’s just how I feel, I’ve never been able to enjoy winning anything by cheating either.

When attackers see a lunge come in, anticipated contact then minimize the collision by diving rather than planting their foot to get the foul. This just tells me that you either don't play sport at a high level or you were just unaware of it.

Then you didn't enjoy any of our titles then? Drogba, Costa, Moses dived and faked injury a lot. Not to mention Cahill wasn't afraid of nicking people's heads with high boots and feigning innocence.

The so-called "purity" of the game doesn't exist in any sport. It's on the refs to catch players breaking the rule.

Edited December 18, 20241 yr by Deino

3 hours ago, Deino said:

When attackers see a lunge come in, anticipated contact then minimize the collision by diving rather than planting their foot to get the foul. This just tells me that you either don't play sport at a high level or you were just unaware of it.

No, I’m aware of that, but as I said before diving for me is when you try to get a penalty, or red card for the opposition - Walker in Man C vs Man U is a good example. I wouldn’t call it diving if a player jumps before contact to prevent injury.

As much as I can be tempted to ignore it when we win because if it, the feeling I get when other teams do the same is sickening - and so I think we all should strive to get rid of diving regardless of club.

18 hours ago, Ph.c. said:

No, I’m aware of that, but as I said before diving for me is when you try to get a penalty, or red card for the opposition - Walker in Man C vs Man U is a good example. I wouldn’t call it diving if a player jumps before contact to prevent injury.

As much as I can be tempted to ignore it when we win because if it, the feeling I get when other teams do the same is sickening - and so I think we all should strive to get rid of diving regardless of club.

That makes no sense to me. How do you judge intent? See the Caicedo pen and the Palmer pen against Tottenham, was there contact? Yes. Did they playact to get the pen? Yes. Did they dive? Yes, soon as he felt contact. If we went by your rules, Caicedo should dig his feet and let Udogie break his leg and Palmer should stay on his feet when he felt Sarr's leg from behind which could also result in injury a la Harvey Elliot a few years back.

I understand where you're coming from but playing the game your way never happened in any era of the sport and will never happen.

 

5 hours ago, Deino said:

That makes no sense to me. How do you judge intent? See the Caicedo pen and the Palmer pen against Tottenham, was there contact? Yes. Did they playact to get the pen? Yes. Did they dive? Yes, soon as he felt contact. If we went by your rules, Caicedo should dig his feet and let Udogie break his leg and Palmer should stay on his feet when he felt Sarr's leg from behind which could also result in injury a la Harvey Elliot a few years back.

I understand where you're coming from but playing the game your way never happened in any era of the sport and will never happen.

 

Perhaps I wasn’t clear. I don’t think it’s diving when there’s contact unless the player fakes an injury. Exaggeration isn’t diving for me, and I get why players fall over when hit even if they could stay on their feet. But when there’s no contact or only a little and the player fakes intense pain or an injury afterwards - that’s what I hate.

On 18/12/2024 at 09:22, Ukraine Bolt said:

Change for changes sake. It would help the woman's game, the men's game doesn't need changing. 

No, it's change to improve the sport. 

4 minutes ago, Llangennech said:

No, it's change to improve the sport. 

In your incorrect opinion, maybe.

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Edited December 19, 20241 yr by Sexyfootball
wrong thread :-)

52 minutes ago, Llangennech said:

No, it's change to improve the sport. 

What were you taking when you came up with that nonsense.

Fouling and wasting time etc is called the dark arts of football. Taking the sting out of their momentum if done correctly is absolutely beautiful and entertaining to watch such as contes chelsea or joses chelsea

Diving for a pen is something necessary in today's football especially when you know you got no chance of scoring because guess what if your not diving your not getting the pen sometimes that's football. If your team doesn't do it and the opposition do and get a pen whos lost in the end? 

What i dont agree with is what walker did vs man united, that's just pure embarrassing. 

Remember when costa got Gabriel a red card that was pure entertainment and excellent intelligence of the dark arts mastered by the top coaches. 

Cucurella running around the pitch is legit world class hes a beast at intercepting and linking play that 60M price tag looks like a bargain right now hes easily the best LB in the league right now

Goal machine

2024 is Cucurella's year and we're all just living in it

5 hours ago, Ph.c. said:

Perhaps I wasn’t clear. I don’t think it’s diving when there’s contact unless the player fakes an injury. Exaggeration isn’t diving for me, and I get why players fall over when hit even if they could stay on their feet. But when there’s no contact or only a little and the player fakes intense pain or an injury afterwards - that’s what I hate.

The best players in the world do that.

There's no reward for not diving or faking injury when there's a potential foul coming in. Faking injuries and diving when minimal contact sets the tone in the refs head. When a player dives with no contact, they get a yellow card so that's the deterrent already.

When Hazard stayed on his feet despite getting kicked, refs just let the play go on. When Cucurella stayed on his feet when Romero pulled his hair, the goal comes in and only days later did the ref apologized.

If we eliminated dives or faking injuries, you're essentially putting even more responsibility on the ref to call everything accurately in real time at all areas of the pitch in a stadium filled with noise and everything moves in 90mph. That's not realistic.

6 hours ago, Deino said:

The best players in the world do that.

There's no reward for not diving or faking injury when there's a potential foul coming in. Faking injuries and diving when minimal contact sets the tone in the refs head. When a player dives with no contact, they get a yellow card so that's the deterrent already.

When Hazard stayed on his feet despite getting kicked, refs just let the play go on. When Cucurella stayed on his feet when Romero pulled his hair, the goal comes in and only days later did the ref apologized.

If we eliminated dives or faking injuries, you're essentially putting even more responsibility on the ref to call everything accurately in real time at all areas of the pitch in a stadium filled with noise and everything moves in 90mph. That's not realistic.

And how exactly does it help the ref make correct decisions when every little contact results in players rolling around like they’ve had a foot chopped off? That’s just a stupid argument. Also, yellow cards for diving are very rare and can’t be dealt by VAR (that would be nice, though). And there’s plenty of players who don’t do it. They’re not all Vinicius.

Anyway, let’s just say we don’t agree. You care about winning and nothing else, I care about the integrity of the game itself.

Edited December 20, 20241 yr by Ph.c.