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[Hutch]

today it's Iniesta. again.  this is just a sample of the headlines under  Related Links:

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Fabregas in Barca hint
Messi expects Cesc arrival
Puyol - Let Fabregas leave
Villa desperate for Cesc
Xavi - Cesc deal will happen
Barca building Fab bridges
Puyol - Cesc is coming
Messi eyes Cesc return
Rosell to discuss Fabregas
Xavi reiterates Cesc call
Ingla announces Fab dream
Pique points to Fabregas focus
Barca keep up Cesc chase
Barca candidate in Cesc claim
Barca will be back
Barca make Fabregas bid
Ingla expects Fabregas deal

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[TheWestwayWonder]

Jesus, what a lineup

Its insane to read that, with all the column inches written about this, all the comments by players, that there hasnt been any official contact for over a month. Arsenal should seriously just report them to UEFA and force the "authorities" to take action and put an end this this sideshow

Maximus, on 03 August 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

Gasfart is having a brainpart!
In 2001 he says,.. FFS!!!

Was there something significant about that year that makes it all rubbish, Max?

[Ruh Buh Juh]

Why is this in the Football section? Everytime I see it I expect to read that he's gone to Barca!

[Cules70]

Ruh Buh Juh, on 03 August 2010 - 04:09 PM, said:

Why is this in the Football section? Everytime I see it I expect to read that he's gone to Barca!

Cesc will end at Barcelona sooner or later, that is sure.

Barcelona tapping up? Of course, and Wenger with Chamakh did the same, and, what about Man City with Milner......

The difference is the calibre of player we are talking about Cesc Fabregas captain of Arsenal.

This started bad with Cesc saying if he was to leave arsenal he will go to Barca and this will end bad.... maybe last days of August.... SSN cesc leaves arsenal.....

I just dont care, Arsenal is bigger than Cesc so what they should try to do is to reach an agreement with Barcelona and thats it. , I get bored with this....

Arsenal wants a lot of money, Barca feels they shouldnt pay that amount because the player is a former barca academy player and  THE PLAYER wants to leave............  2 against one, arsenal sell him... get a proper new player and start a new life

[undertow]

barcelona is worse than real. at least when real pursued ronaldo they managed to understand that mu wanted to keep the player for one more year and after that they put the cash on the table and everyone was happy. well, except some mu fans but who cares about them? that was a proper business deal, barca is all talk and i bet they will wait until fabregas can leave on a bosman.

[jack h]

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Barcelona tapping up? Of course, and Wenger with Chamakh did the same, and, what about Man City with Milner......

Agree with that but that only means that they should all be punished not just allowed to get away with it

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Arsenal wants a lot of money, Barca feels they shouldnt pay that amount because the player is a former barca academy player and  THE PLAYER wants to leave............  2 against one, arsenal sell him... get a proper new player and start a new life

Unless barca can prove that L'arse got Fabregas illegally (which is probably true) then the fact he was an EX acadamy player and wants to go back is completly irrelevent and they should either pay what arsenal want or f**k off they have no right to get him for anything less than what his current club value him at.

[Cules70]

undertow, on 03 August 2010 - 04:55 PM, said:

barcelona is worse than real. at least when real pursued ronaldo they managed to understand that mu wanted to keep the player for one more year and after that they put the cash on the table and everyone was happy. well, except some mu fans but who cares about them? that was a proper business deal, barca is all talk and i bet they will wait until fabregas can leave on a bosman.

I couldnt agree more with you. real at least when they chased a player they are also prepared to pay high to get him.
At Barcelona they first make a brainwash to the player so the player goes to his club and do whatever necessary to leave the club. Thats what I hate about Barcelona, they never want to pay high fees for players.

But what Arse nal can do at the moment? ...... thinking of    ,
  Arsene wenger begging cesc fabregas to stay........

[Cules70]

jack h, on 03 August 2010 - 05:00 PM, said:

Agree with that but that only means that they should all be punished not just allowed to get away with it




Unless barca can prove that L'arse got Fabregas illegally (which is probably true) then the fact he was an EX acadamy player and wants to go back is completly irrelevent and they should either pay what arsenal want or f**k off they have no right to get him for anything less than what his current club value him at.

Cesc Fabregas should kept his mouth shut fro the beginning....... once he went to Port Aventura and said, yes, if he has to leave Arsenal will only go to Barcelona... thats where all trouble started.
Barcelona offered 35 mill euros for Cesc, if Arsenal say that is not enough, they should leave it....
why Arsenal dont report Barca to Uefa? I dont know... l guess because they know they act in the same way when they chased players....
More or less everyone does it, Sir Alex Ferguson taking Berbatov from Spurs,you remember it...

[Cules70]

It is going to sound silly to you.....

But this is what I heard from radio stations, wenger would like to get Gourcuff for Cesc. The problem is that the chairman of Burdeaux is really angry with him for the way he conducted with Chamakh... so he is trying to hang on in Cesc as much as he can.

If he could get Gourcuff in good terms I am sure the saga Cesc would be over by now.

The problem Wenger has is that he cant, he knows that if he wants to get Gourcuff he will have to pay good money, maybe his clause...

Thats what I heard several times this summer

[TheWestwayWonder]

Cules, I agree that Arsenal are guilty of this (maybe seeing them fall out of contention has softened my stance on their tapping up   ) but even you have to admit, the trouble started LONG before Fabregas had that little admission to the Spanish press. This saga started almost from the day the season ended.

I agree in that Fabregas has done nothing to end the speculation. If there was an unequivocal "I am staying, thats it" then I am sure the whole circus would stop. But I think its pretty obvious he wants this move to happen asap as long as he doesnt have to stab arsenal fans in the back and be the bad guy.

If Wenger's plan is to turn around and buy Gourcuff like you say, then l'Arse probably wouldnt even fall off that much. He would need to add a sold two way CM though (but people have been saying that for about 4 years and its never happened)

[Barry Bridges]

I think Cesc is a moron.  He was obviously not very pleased riding the pine at the WC, yet he would put his hand into a wood chipper just to ride the pine all season long for Barca.

He is competeing likely for 2-3 spots with Messi, Iniesta,Xavi,Busquets.

If Xavi was smart he would be holding off for 1-2 more seasons, try and win a trpphy with Arsenal, and in doing so become a legend their.....and then go to Barca once Xavi has 1 foot firmly out the door.

[Mikstaw]

His grandma said that he's staying in Arsenal.

[Cules70]

TheWestwayWonder, on 03 August 2010 - 06:06 PM, said:

Cules, I agree that Arsenal are guilty of this (maybe seeing them fall out of contention has softened my stance on their tapping up   ) but even you have to admit, the trouble started LONG before Fabregas had that little admission to the Spanish press. This saga started almost from the day the season ended.

I am agree with you too. From what I heard of spanish journalist this saga started after last christmas, how? This is what journalist say in Spain:

a) Phone calls from Pep Guardiola to Fabregas.... saying I want you at Barcelona, you will play here bla bla bla....
Gerrad Pique a very very good friend of fabregas also called him several times to say.... you have to come cesc.....
c) Players such as Xavi, Iniesta, Messi did the same
d) Joan Laporta did the same
e) Visits to the emirates from Barca players to get close to him and you know.... Cesc you have to come to Barcelona....
f) Key factor, when Cesc got injured, after the barca game, he went to Barcelona for 2 months and during that time, they made the brainwash, everyday they used to see each other and talk.....  there are front pages in the barcelona newspapers of Cesc alongside barca players..., you just have to go to these newspapers and see it.....

So, are we in front of a clear case of tapping up from Barcelona? Of course, the problem is.... how do you prove it?? how do you prove those phone calls? IMO, it is impossible.

Are Barcelona guilty of breaking the rules? Of Course. But most of the teams do that. They dont reach those levels, only Fergie, when he signed Berbatov, everybody remember Berbatov arriving at manchester airport and Ferguson picking him into his car......and what happened after....

Edited by Cules70, 03 August 2010 - 10:15 PM.

[Maximus]

Arsenal never announces the name of the players they are going to sign. In chamakh's case arsene has always - link1, link2-maintained he is happy with the stikers he has- both in numbers and quality. Its always the players agent or the clubs that leaks these news to the press for their advantage.

And I strongly disagree to the sudden consensus here that all clubs do the same - that is publicly pursuit a player after their managers/clubs declares that the player is not for sale. I cannot think of more than three or four clubs, rich clubs(or the clubs with gigantic debts). And in almost all the cases the pursuing club has ended up paying the right price for both clubs.

In case of fabregas,There is no point in complaining to UEFA, unless fabregas himself hesitate to cooperate with arsenal - like berbatov did with Sp*s.So far cesc have been respectfull towards arsenal, unlike barca players/staff who states things like "arsenal will end up selling him to barca" and "arsenal have fabregas on loan". But if he does, i think we should put a formal complaint and from the clubs response so far in this issue, i think we will.

And for the record, i dont think barca have done anything 'illegal' so far, just think they were 'a bit' classless and arrogant in this whole issue - especially after the club officially declared that cesc is not for sale in a strong language.

[Maximus]

TheWestwayWonder, on 03 August 2010 - 02:36 PM, said:

Was there something significant about that year that makes it all rubbish, Max?

I  was suggesting that its been a long time - almost a decade since then... and i thought it has nothing to do with the cesc story.

[dkw]

Maximus, on 04 August 2010 - 07:21 AM, said:

Arsenal never announces the name of the players they are going to sign. I

I would refute that, I can well remember his pursuit of Gallas and Terry at a time we were skint and desperate. Wenger spoke about signing Gallas almost on a daily basis in the media.

[Maximus]

dkw, on 04 August 2010 - 07:55 AM, said:

I would refute that, I can well remember his pursuit of Gallas and Terry at a time we were skint and desperate. Wenger spoke about signing Gallas almost on a daily basis in the media.

Might have happend before i started regularly following arsenal - I am willing to delete those lines my post if theres any links. i couldnt find one though.

[dkw]

Maximus, on 04 August 2010 - 09:14 AM, said:

Might have happend before i started regularly following arsenal - I am willing to delete those lines my post if theres any links. i couldnt find one though.

I can tell you now it did happen, but as you say finding links seems impossible. We had it for weeks with Wenger on Gallas and Fergie on Terry when we were skint. Wasnt being arsey though, just pointing out your club have done it in the past. Not to the ridiculous extent Barca players and staff have done it though.

[Mikstaw]

Arsene Wenger will meet Cesc Fabregas on Thursday for the first time since the Spaniard said he had his heart set on a return to Barcelona.

Fabregas has been at the centre of a summer-long tug of war between Arsenal and the club with whom he started his career as a youngster.

Barca have not made any further moves for the midfielder since having a £30million bid rejected in June, shortly after Fabregas is understood to have met Wenger to express his desire to leave.

The Catalan giants' very public attempt at wooing the 23-year-old, thanks to a number of pleas from prominent players at the club, has ensured the story has rumbled on all summer despite Arsenal insisting Fabregas is not for sale at any price.

Wenger will hope to put all that speculation to bed when he is reunited with his skipper at the Gunners' members' media day at the Emirates Stadium this morning.

Fabregas, who has been on holiday since Spain's victorious World Cup campaign, is expected to meet Wenger before lining up alongside the Frenchman for the Arsenal team photo at their north London home.

The Spaniard will then embark on an open training session with his team-mates in front of 10,000 fans, who will no doubt express their desire for their star man to stay at the club he joined seven years ago.

Fabregas fuelled rumours he was set to renew his request to leave when he told 2,500 Barcelona fans in his Catalan hometown he hoped to "see you more often" earlier this week.

It remains unclear whether Barca would be willing to up their bid for Fabregas, who has made it clear he owes Wenger a lot for moulding him into one of the best players in the Premier League.

Despite all the confusion, one thing is clear - losing Fabregas would be a big loss to Arsenal.

Thomas Vermaelen, who joined the club from Ajax last season, acknowledges Fabregas is a vital part of the team.

"He is important to us because he is a very good player," said Vermaelen, at an event organised by London's biggest homeless charity Centrepoint.

"I hope he will stay. In football you never know but I'm confident that he will."

Fellow defender Bacary Sagna, meanwhile, is not fazed by Barcelona's attempts to lure Fabregas back to Spain.

"They can talk as much as they want but he is our player," said the France defender. "I think it would be a big loss if he were to leave. It's up to him to show us what he can do now."

from: www.teamtalk.com

[TheWestwayWonder]

Fabregas seems to have drawn a line by committing to Arsenal this morning. Or so say BBC

Cules70, on 03 August 2010 - 10:13 PM, said:

I am agree with you too. From what I heard of spanish journalist this saga started after last christmas, how? This is what journalist say in Spain:

a) Phone calls from Pep Guardiola to Fabregas.... saying I want you at Barcelona, you will play here bla bla bla....
Gerrad Pique a very very good friend of fabregas also called him several times to say.... you have to come cesc.....
c) Players such as Xavi, Iniesta, Messi did the same
d) Joan Laporta did the same
e) Visits to the emirates from Barca players to get close to him and you know.... Cesc you have to come to Barcelona....
f) Key factor, when Cesc got injured, after the barca game, he went to Barcelona for 2 months and during that time, they made the brainwash, everyday they used to see each other and talk.....  there are front pages in the barcelona newspapers of Cesc alongside barca players..., you just have to go to these newspapers and see it.....

So, are we in front of a clear case of tapping up from Barcelona? Of course, the problem is.... how do you prove it?? how do you prove those phone calls? IMO, it is impossible.

Are Barcelona guilty of breaking the rules? Of Course. But most of the teams do that. They dont reach those levels, only Fergie, when he signed Berbatov, everybody remember Berbatov arriving at manchester airport and Ferguson picking him into his car......and what happened after....

At least you are honest about it Cules. Full credit to you for that. I think the reason people are getting so miffed by this transfer speculation (even non Arsenal fans) is that many people in football hold Barca up as an ideal of a great and responsible club. Now, while there are many great things about your sponsorship and ownership, there are also many ugly things like the press commentary and sometimes the on-pitch behavior.

This is no more ugly than other teams, for example, but people in the sporting press tend to go on, and onnnn, and onnnnnn about Barca. Being a big club you cannot help that, nor can you help what they say, but the more successful you get with this current generation of players, the more you should expect people will be outraged when the club appears to be disregarding the rules like with the Fabregas thing.

But ultimately you are right, everyone does this in some form. In spain, where you have dedicated newspapers to promote clubs, I am sure it is alot easier to exact pressure through the media. And it just annoys me that we were slapped with a transfer ban because fifa spotted irregularities in the Gael Kakuta deal, and yet when a Spanish club wants to get Cristiano Ronaldo, Sepp Blatter thinks his current employers are treating him like a slave. The football authorities are big hypocrites when it comes to transfers. The whole process should be thoroughly cleaned up.