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[DoubleHelix74]

Well I posted the question to Rami and it was never meant to discount his love for Chelsea, it was mereley wanting to hear his reasoning... However, having gone through this here in the States watching the Yankees move into their new luxurious diggs, I must say this... If you all think ticket prices are going to come down based on shear volume you are all sadly mistaken.  I have been to the new Yankee Stadium 4 times now (I live 2K miles away in Denver) and I must say I've always paid top dollar (at least double) to now sit up in the bleeders, which are a few rows from the top.  Instead of the traditional Baseball fare, I now get to buy sushi and porterhouse steaks for an obscene price... A beer now costs me $10, to park the car $30, and the best part is that no matter how early you get in for batting practice, someone will always check you're ticket and tell you that you don't have a luxury ticket to go down along the field.  There is literally a 15-20ft gap of an aisle that separates the masses from the wealthy folk who usually don't know squat about the game and are there hoping to be in TV... We call it the moat!  The Rangers at Madison Square Garden will now cost one at least $100 for a decent seat in the upper level, about 4 times that to be eye level with the ice and that's if you could fight the suits off of Wall Street who couldn't even tell you what an "offfsides" is in the first place.  I know here in the States its more a business than over in the UK and I am not comparing things now but surely you all can see what I am talking about... Bigger venue simply means more opportunity to make money!  Most Yankee fans were heartbroken over watching "The Stadium" "The House Ruth Built" or the other many nicknames it became after decades of Championships!  The place where Lou Gehrig gave his farewell speech before dying, the place Maris broke the Ruthian mark of 61 Home runs in the last day of the season in his last atbat, the countless Octobers in the World Series... I know I am speaking American Baseball and most of you could care less but its the principle I am comparing it too!  One should never trade up its history to make an extra buck and if they do, make sure its classy and does not alienate the true fan/supporter... In today world, I just do not see that happen... Who knows, maybe I don't know how it is in England (I've only been on her soil for 4-5 days in my life) and I hope it will not happen however everywhere I've been thus far, its the usual, Money talks and the rest walks!  Hope I am wrong, just be careful what you all wish for...

[DoubleHelix74]

This is the last time I saw the Hallowed Ground that is as American as Apple pie... I'd be lying to you all to say a tear did not run down my face... A construction site!  And the best part was that some auctions house auctioned EVERYTHING (and I mean down to restroom signs) to a bunch of wealthy memorabilia collectors!

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[fishCFC]

youlots, on 11 March 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

I take issue with this. In the event that you interpreted the material thread to which you refer as meaning (which I did) that Chels never existed in the first place, there is no paradox. You have inferred the demise as you put it into the subject phrase in order to take a cheap shot at those who contributed to that thread. Such breast beating does you little credit in the circumstances.

MadMac's original post "Bates hadn't saved us or Roman pulled out and we ceased to exist... the successor to your allegiance" -- still confident in your assertion that "I've inferred the demise..." ?

"to take a cheap shot at those who responded to this thread" presumably as in my retort to Stevo's comment that "a bigger stadium...  for even more day trippers and w**kers taking up the spaces of proper supporters".

While my support for Stevo's right to express his view is limitless, your freedom to inaccurately (as highlighted above) admonish my response is only plausible in a world where the efforts of Chelsea supporters who climbed on the roof of the old West Stand in 1953 (Moscow Dynamos) are made worthless by posts of "second or third allegiance", as if those climbers in blue, in the face of a 100,000 crowd, would have opted for a seat at The Old Den or The Cock instead... their souls are surely 'drowning in their own tears'.

"breast beating" -- "that's my boy!!!" in Family Section at Birmingham Cup match... . my 'sweet baby James' (30yrs old) -- admonished by hyperactive steward for standing up and berating Birmingham chant of "we've got hughton, you've got ginger ***** (AVB)"... will the experience stop James, his brother, wives and 'tots' being there on Sunday for Leicester? Not a chance, and their "second or third allegiance"? F*** All... DNA from their old man/permanent absent father perhaps... but are they "w**kers" or "proper supporters" Stevo???

Edited by fishCFC, 13 March 2012 - 02:46 PM.

[fishCFC]

undertow, on 12 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

http://cfctruth.blog...ersea-ahoy.html

A goody which I read with interest. Its certainly not my intention to dampen anyone's fireworks but the "move" has taken on a similar vein to transfer targets in as much as many players/sites are promoted but the reality (no slight on Fernando) is seldom one and the same. Consider the Chelsea Barracks proposal where LT voiced concerns that 50,000 people, post match, into Victoria Station was not feasible... what chance then, if any, for Earls Court/Vauxhall particularly in light of the current Transport Infrastructure Budget having already left the station, eastbound for the Olympics.

I'm still of the opinion that the Club's future lies elsewhere based on increased revenue from larger arena, fan base, transport and accommodating council, and that whilst my opinion may be unpopular for all the (correct) historical reasons, its only fair to assume that the growing number of clubs listed in The London Gazette, under Administration, shared those very same views. But its not all bad...

...there's easy money to be had from the bookies, for based on the same criteria of fan base, its a racing certainty that there's a New Trafford on the horizon: in Kent

[wxwax]

Well, at least that one was coherent. Congrats on your progress!

[fishCFC]

wxwax, on 15 March 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Well, at least that one was coherent. Congrats on your progress!

Be assured, normal service will be resumed next time my fuse is lit !!!

I'm the monkey on my own back, believing this stems from dividing my time between two countries, my head's constantly in a spin, though you'll be gladdened to hear that I'm on the last lap of a permanent move abroad... where my attempts to communicate are greeted with even greater incredulity...

...day before I left for GB (can I still use that phrase post-Blair?) I was on the beach with a friend (native) named 'Iso', when a girlfriend of hers came up and they went into a machine gun conversation which lost me at "Hello" -- how do women do that without drawing breath??? When her friend left Iso asked me if I liked her (friend) to which I replied "Mmmm, she's nice, shame about the picasso".
"picasso?" queried Iso
"she's got 6 cheeks" I replied, "2 inside her bikini and 4 outside"...no surprise I got 'stupid english' look for the remainder of the day from Iso.

Edited by fishCFC, 16 March 2012 - 09:40 AM.

[moi]

fishCFC, on 16 March 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

Be assured, normal service will be resumed next time my fuse is lit !!!

I'm the monkey on my own back, believing this stems from dividing my time between two countries, my head's constantly in a spin, though you'll be gladdened to hear that I'm on the last lap of a permanent move abroad... where my attempts to communicate are greeted with even greater incredulity...

...day before I left for GB (can I still use that phrase post-Blair?) I was on the beach with a friend (native) named 'Iso', when a girlfriend of hers came up and they went into a machine gun conversation which lost me at "Hello" -- how do women do that without drawing breath??? When her friend left Iso asked me if I liked her (friend) to which I replied "Mmmm, she's nice, shame about the picasso".
"picasso?" queried Iso
"she's got 6 cheeks" I replied, "2 inside her bikini and 4 outside"...no surprise I got 'stupid english' look from Iso.

..and now you've reverted to incoherent!

[fishCFC]

moi, on 16 March 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

..and now you've reverted to incoherent!

my fuse is getting warmer...  besides its your (women's) fault, I grew up in a household of elder sister, mother and grandmother... what sort of hand was that to deal a simple boy !!!

Edited by fishCFC, 16 March 2012 - 11:19 AM.

[KrazyTea]

Zola, on 12 March 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

As positive as that sounds, I like the club would know more about expansion options, considering they have had artitects trying to draw feasible plans for years and having no luck.

Unless the council is gonna kick in the big bucks to reno or stay on the current site or contribute millions upon millions of pounds in order to complete such a vast project or purchase of local buildings I cannot see in anyway shape or form how this really changes anything either.

[KrazyTea]

BlueBeard, on 09 March 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

I reckon they ought to dig up and re-route the railway, or failing that, evict all the snotty c*ntish neighbours who want us out and flatten the houses - plenty of room either way!

I'd agree, I think all of our first choices would be to rebuild on the original site with the history and heart of the team there. But city council needs to flex some serious muscle if they are truly committed to keeping the team there. CFC management can't hold them hostage over this though and it does seem unlikely for this to occur. Of course a bunch of hooligan fans might one day accidentally move everything out of those peoples homes and level them for them, of course I cannot substantiate or condone that.

[mjcreswick]

Just a quick thought, if the club and council decide the solution is to rebuild on the original site, where will the club play in the meantime?

[KrazyTea]

That is one of the clubs adminstrations current arguments. They would have to find somewhere else to play for 3 years. Wembley? Unlikely, Olympic Stadium won't work either.

[Zeta Orionis]

Could buy QPR's ground for a couple of years then grind it into dust when we're finished with it.

[CodyBound]

mjcreswick, on 20 March 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

Just a quick thought, if the club and council decide the solution is to rebuild on the original site, where will the club play in the meantime?

Apparently the emirates is the most likely venue should that happen, and I think Craven Cottage is the second favourite.

[Brimstone 2]

EMIRATES!!!!!!!!!!

[Fast Eddie]

Brimstone 2, on 12 April 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

EMIRATES!!!!!!!!!!

Aaaargh I prefer the grinding of Loftus Road into dust...

[Brimstone 2]

As im getting on a bit now i have waterworks trouble..I try when i can to get my seats near an isle so i can rush off down the stairs 50 times for the purpose of..Problem solved if we have to share with anyone..Doesnt matter where im seated..The loo will ALWAYS be in situ..

[KrazyTea]

Ron Gourlay using this final as a threat of sorts saying without a new stadium we are unlikely to get back to a final soon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/17839225