Butch Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 EDIT: Oops...silly me; just saw I had put this in the Players Forum when I had meant to put it in the General Forum. I have started this thread in here as I didn't want to risk getting people all excited about this one even being a rumor, for it isn't. I just wanted to say that I hope this player is high on Jose's list (needn't be for this January window) and that we'll seriously go after him at some point. I feel he is one of the most exciting players in current world football. I know he is often used centrally, but I also feel that he could be used as one of the quota for wide men in our squad. Along with Robben and Joe Cole, he'd make up one heck of a wide attacking trio to choose from (i.e. rotate). But I wonder how difficult it would be to tempt AC Milan to sell him to us. Really difficult is what I feel personally. And especially in the Winter transfer window where finding replacements is difficult if not nigh on impossible. But Kaka would be just the type of player that could help Sheva get back to his scoring ways. I'm not sure why we've become so selfish, in general, in terms of trying to score. We're just not creating for each other as much as I would have hoped. Even Frank can be too single-minded at times. I just feel that when the opposition are kept guessing as to whether you'll pass or go for goal yourself, they become more hesitant and therefore either you or your team mate will have a better chance at an open shot on goal. But when the opposition knows you're going to go for goal, it becomes much easier to defend. Arsenal, I hate to admit it, are one of the best sides when it comes to "alternatives" and using them. If we had that variety we'd be unstoppable. We already have the players, but we (I mean the players) don't use each other well enough. Which brings me back to the Sheva situation... Cheers, Butch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimboola69 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Kaka would be perfect for us, if I have said it on here once I have done so a million times. As a talent he is top draw. He produces the through balls that Sheva thrives on, has long rangers that are easily the equal of Lamps and is great at build up play. He is also great at set plays...but we have a lot of them now. But as with Sheva, we do not play a system that suits him. He is not one that will harry around chasing people down like Lamps or Essien (as as Ballack is meant to), he will not plonk it up to Drog's head etc. If Jose could sign Kaka (would cost thick end of ?70m) he would have to change the system. If we went to a more Milan inspired 4-diamond-2 then it would be good for us and Sheva (hurrah). But I just do not think that Jose is looking at him. Which is a shame...maybe Hiddink will? :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_mac Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 70 million? Anyway, I think kaka is a great player and secondly I don't think we should entertain the idea of signing him just to "suit sheva." I think we should sign a palyer to suit Chelsea, but unfortunatley, he doesn't seem to suit Chelsea's style of play, therefore, I doubt we will go for him. Also, changing an entire team's system just to suit kaka is a joke too....where would that leave the spirit of the rest of the players, there would be a few people wondering why the hell they were never accomodated ofr. All that having been saud, I still think he is a great player, and would love to think of a Chelsea Team with him in it, but I just cannot see it happening Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g3.7 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 great player, won't happen, i'd love it if it did though... as long as we play the diamond, he absolutely suits our system, and has experience playing on the right of a front 3 also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippy Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I dont think we would have to change our system to play Kaka, I think our system would be the same but we would have more creativity and more chance of a defense splitting pass here and there, obviously I think Sheva would benefit but I dont think it would be that much of a change to the way we play, ok Kaka is not gonna chase back and Harass people like Essien but how many defensive midfielders do we need? attack is a good form of defense and with Kaka at the front of the Diamond (where I would play Joey if he was fit) it may mean Ballack spends some time on the bench but with Lamps and Essien that to me sounds like the best of both worlds. If he came here I would like to see Bridge at LB as I feel he gets forward better than AC and Paulo would need permission to do the same as with the diamond the width needs to start from further back, all that said I doubt he's in our plans and I think Joey could do the Job anyway but he would be good for us in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobMol Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 EDIT: Oops...silly me; just saw I had put this in the Players Forum when I had meant to put it in the General Forum. I have started this thread in here as I didn't want to risk getting people all excited about this one even being a rumor, for it isn't. I just wanted to say that I hope this player is high on Jose's list (needn't be for this January window) and that we'll seriously go after him at some point. I feel he is one of the most exciting players in current world football. I know he is often used centrally, but I also feel that he could be used as one of the quota for wide men in our squad. Along with Robben and Joe Cole, he'd make up one heck of a wide attacking trio to choose from (i.e. rotate). But I wonder how difficult it would be to tempt AC Milan to sell him to us. Really difficult is what I feel personally. And especially in the Winter transfer window where finding replacements is difficult if not nigh on impossible. But Kaka would be just the type of player that could help Sheva get back to his scoring ways. I'm not sure why we've become so selfish, in general, in terms of trying to score. We're just not creating for each other as much as I would have hoped. Even Frank can be too single-minded at times. I just feel that when the opposition are kept guessing as to whether you'll pass or go for goal yourself, they become more hesitant and therefore either you or your team mate will have a better chance at an open shot on goal. But when the opposition knows you're going to go for goal, it becomes much easier to defend. Arsenal, I hate to admit it, are one of the best sides when it comes to "alternatives" and using them. If we had that variety we'd be unstoppable. We already have the players, but we (I mean the players) don't use each other well enough. Which brings me back to the Sheva situation... Cheers, Butch in other news, The surface of the sun is quite warm, great white sharks are a bit nasty, and my sh*te smells a bit. Even Fat Fw**k is too single minded, 'At times'. The. Greediest. Central. Midfield. Player. In. World. Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gem Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 The. Greediest. Central. Midfield. Player. In. World. Football. This isn't a topic about Stevie Me - you need to start your own thread. Infact, he'll probably want his own forum. He may be insulted if he doesn't get special treatment - just like the new year's honour list a couple of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 jesus. theres the kettle calling the pot black. a bin dipper calling lampard greedy. look at your own captain you muppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksimov Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 'Captain Confused' is greedy? The lovable media darling Stevie M(B)E...? Surely not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Assists this season so far... 1 Fabregas Soler (Arsenal) 9 2 Lampard (Chelsea) 8 3 Giggs (Man Utd) 7 4 Berbatov (Tottenham) 6 5 Ronaldo (Man Utd) 6 6 Rooney (Man Utd) 6 7 Van Persie (Arsenal) 6 8 Arteta (Everton) 5 9 Gerrard (Liverpool) 5 10 Kilbane (Wigan Athletic) 5 Good point Rob. Stevie's a real team player and big fat Frank is as selfish as they come. Also reminds me of the season before last, when you had a better win percentage when Stevie Me Me Me WASN'T playing. Real team player that Stevie. Once again, good point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksimov Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Tim, that just proves it. Lampard is greedy and selfish. He's trying to get all the glory by getting in the assists stat-lists as well as the scoring charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The number of assists Lamps has can be discounted as they will always be high due to the fact he takes most of the corners and set pieces. In terms of whether he is a little greedy or not - well that is a tough call. Some could argue that he tries an excessive number of shots from range and that maybe on a number of those occasions we would be better served by him trying to either play a pass through to Drogba/Sheva or lopening the game out by playing it wide to one of the wingers (when we play with them). However it is equally easily argued that his goal scoring record is easily good enough, and he has scored so many vital goals at crucial times, that he has earned the right to shoot more than most and in general we benefit more than we suffer from it. What concerns me more is that Essien seems to be getting the shoot from distance bug as well and despite his recent cracker the bottom line is his shooting isn't all that great and we don't want two central midfielders shooting from distance too regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergeyMS Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 IF Essien could score such goals once per 2 or 3 games from RB position.............. No more words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethicalstrategy Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The number of assists Lamps has can be discounted as they will always be high due to the fact he takes most of the corners and set pieces. So creating goals for the team and scoring goals for the team shouldn't be taken in to account when determining whether Frank is selfish or not? :? :? :? I think I am right in saying that he also tops the charts for ground covered during matches too - no doubt just for his own selfish ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loz Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The number of assists Lamps has can be discounted as they will always be high due to the fact he takes most of the corners and set pieces. So creating goals for the team and scoring goals for the team shouldn't be taken in to account when determining whether Frank is selfish or not? : I amnot sying that in its entirety however you have to admit that using assists is a bit irrelevant when the player takes the corners and indirect free kicks - he has no option but to 'pass' to someone else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksimov Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I think I am right in saying that he also tops the charts for ground covered during matches too - no doubt just for his own selfish ends He's just an attention-whore. "Look at me, I'm running my arse off for the team!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethicalstrategy Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The number of assists Lamps has can be discounted as they will always be high due to the fact he takes most of the corners and set pieces. So creating goals for the team and scoring goals for the team shouldn't be taken in to account when determining whether Frank is selfish or not? : I amnot sying that in its entirety however you have to admit that using assists is a bit irrelevant when the player takes the corners and indirect free kicks - he has no option but to 'pass' to someone else! I admit no such thing!! There is no law that says every corner or indirect free kick must lead to a goal. I would interpret it as meaning that he takes good corners and freekicks. Assist = playing a significant part in the scoring of a goal (see cross for SWP's goal on Saturday) Pass = kicking the ball to another player in your team Two quite different things Now if he had been taking all of the corners and freekicks and not getting any assists then that would be a problem. Really, I can't think that I have ever thought about Frank being selfish. He has always struck me as a team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobMol Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The number of assists Lamps has can be discounted as they will always be high due to the fact he takes most of the corners and set pieces. So creating goals for the team and scoring goals for the team shouldn't be taken in to account when determining whether Frank is selfish or not? : I amnot sying that in its entirety however you have to admit that using assists is a bit irrelevant when the player takes the corners and indirect free kicks - he has no option but to 'pass' to someone else! I admit no such thing!! There is no law that says every corner or indirect free kick must lead to a goal. I would interpret it as meaning that he takes good corners and freekicks. Assist = playing a significant part in the scoring of a goal (see cross for SWP's goal on Saturday) Pass = kicking the ball to another player in your team Two quite different things Now if he had been taking all of the corners and freekicks and not getting any assists then that would be a problem. Really, I can't think that I have ever thought about Frank being selfish. He has always struck me as a team player. why did crespo fail so miserably with you guys and was such a success playing with Seedorf, Pirlo and Kaka? Same question for Shevchenko? There is no greedier midfield possible than Joe Cole, Lampard and Robben, not one of them will pass if there is a chance they can get a shot off. I'm not saying that they dont create chances for others, as obviously they will at times, but if they can get a shot in, even if someone is better placed, or the angle silly, they will shoot, they always f**king do. Its the reason it pisses me off whenever you beat us, as with that midfield we shouldnt allow enough chances for it to happen. Greedy, greedy bar steward, is how the outside world see Fw**k, well maybe the Outside World minus Ingurland loving knobheads who know no better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modueke Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 why did crespo fail so miserably with you guys and was such a success playing with Seedorf, Pirlo and Kaka? Crespo did well last season with Chelsea, took some great goals, and played playmaker too. When he first arrived, granted, but he did have to deal with alot off the pitch. On last seasons performances after his loan spell return, felt he really played some great football. Quite gutted to see him out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Kaka would be a fantastic signing but there is basically no way Milan will ever sell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englishman Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Fat Fw**k A bit rich coming from someone who supports the team managed by the Pillsbury Dough Boy himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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