If they go touchscreen I won't buy it, I don't like touchscreen. I finally gave in and bought one of these smartphones a few months ago and it's annoying and difficult to use.

 

Also I bought Fifa 13 and a new PS3 since mine was broken..what a waste that was. Fifa 13 is sh*t and broken. I did one season of a career okay, now the 2nd season is broken, every time you do the training things between matches it doesn't use my pro anymore, but uses some random guy and then in the matches the ball is invisible. Probably going to sell it back to GAME.

Anybody any concrete info on graphics, processor - any geeky stats? 

 

I sold my xbox a couple of years ago, but would consider getting one again.

 

They have become more of an all in one entertainment package now, which is pretty sweet

Heres the Xbox: All just rumours so far as we know but they look like the real deal.

 

CPU:

- x64 Architecture

- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)

- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache

- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache

- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources

- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

 

 

GPU:


- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor

- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads

- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle

- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second

High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present

 

 

Storage and Memory:

- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)

- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)

- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM
are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.

- Hard drive is always present

- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive

 

Networking:

- Gigabit Ethernet

- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct

Hardware Accelerators:

- Move engines

- Image, video, and audio codecs

- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware

- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing

 

 

 

Playstation 4:

 

LIVERPOOL SOC

Custom implementation of AMD Fusion APU Arquitecture (Accelerated Processing Unit)

Provides good performance with low power consumtion

Integrated CPU and GPU

Considerably bigger and more powerful than AMD’s other APUs



PU:

Orbis contains eight Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz, arranged as two “clusters”

Each cluster contains 4 cores and a shared 2MB L2 cache

256-bit SIMD operations, 128-bit SIMD ALU

SSE up to SSE4, as well as Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)

One hardware thread per core

Decodes, executes and retires at up to two intructions/cycle

Out of order execution

Per-core dedicated L1-I and L1-D cache (32Kb each)

Two pipes per core yield 12,8 GFlops performance

102.4 GFlops for system


GPU:

GPU is based on AMD’s “R10XX” (Southern Islands) architecture

DirectX 11.1+ feature set

Liverpool is an enhanced version of the architecture

18 Compute Units (CUs)

Hardware balanced at 14 CUs

Shared 512 KB of read/write L2 cache

800 Mhz

1.843 Tflops, 922 GigaOps/s

Dual shader engines

18 texture units

8 Render backends

UPDATE: some people is confused about the GPU, here you have more info about it:


Each CU contains dedicated:


- ALU (32 64-bit operations per cycle)


- Texture Unit


- L1 data cache


- Local data share (LDS)


About 14 + 4 balance:


- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute


- Minor boost if used for rendering


Dual Shader Engines:


- 1.6 billion triangles/s, 1.6 billion vertices/s


18 Texture units


- 56 billion bilinear texture reads/s


- Can utilize full memory bandwith


8 Render backends:


- 32 color ops/cycle


- 128 depth ops/cycle


- Can utilize full memory bandwith


Memory:



4 GB unified system memory, 176 GB/s

3.5 available to games (estimate)


Storage:



- High speed Blu-ray drive



single layer (25 GB) or dual layer (50 GB) discs

Partial constant angular velocity (PCAV)

Outer half of disc 6x (27 MB/s)

Inner half varies, 3.3x to 6x



- Internal mass storage



One SKU at launch: 500 GB HDD

There may also be a Flash drive SKU in the future


Networking:



1 Gb/s Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n WIFI, and Bluetooth

 

 

 

 

 

Heres the source for the xbox + more info: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=509269

 

And heres the PS4 one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510373

 

 

Expecting the new xbox dashboard to be just like windows 8 in a way, really like that design on my phone and the current x360 dash is pretty similar.

 

That'd be a mistake IMO. Windows 8 is great for your phone because the OS was fundamentally designed for touchscreens. It's perfect for that, but really fails design-wise if you aren't using one. 

September 17th, 2013 is the release date for GTA V - what are they thinking there with the new consoles coming? Unless they know something we dont.

September 17th, 2013 is the release date for GTA V - what are they thinking there with the new consoles coming? Unless they know something we dont.

 

I'm fuming. WTF are they playing at? I knew a spring release date was too good to be true.

Maybe they'll release the PS4 at the same time and release the game on both platforms, that way they'll make even more money because technically they've done nothing wrong if they advertise it as PS3 and people pre-order as PS3 and then they simply make it available on PS4 as well.

Maybe they'll release the PS4 at the same time and release the game on both platforms, that way they'll make even more money because technically they've done nothing wrong if they advertise it as PS3 and people pre-order as PS3 and then they simply make it available on PS4 as well.

 

But they could have just designed it as a next gen game and released it early 2014 instead of making it for PS3 and Xbox 360, when we're so close to getting new consoles anyway. Grrr

I'm not sure i'm going to like GTA V anyway. I liked the others because you get invested in the main character over time, but with this whole 3 main characters thing I can't see it necessarily being as interesting.

I loved Vice City GTA the best, perfect story, length, maps weren't too big.

 

GTA 4 was so long and tedious. Such a chore to complete.

I'm not sure i'm going to like GTA V anyway. I liked the others because you get invested in the main character over time, but with this whole 3 main characters thing I can't see it necessarily being as interesting.

 

On the contrary, i think it will be extremely interesting. We're still going to get an insight into their separate lives. And the ability to switch between them at any given point is a great concept.

 

Naturally, as a player we're going to have a favourite out of the three, and perhaps sympathise with one of their plights more than the others. I can't wait.

Apprently the ocean floor is being modelled in this one as well and you can explore that. Be interesting to see how they do it I suppose. Will you have to buy some kind of scuba gear first?

Apprently the ocean floor is being modelled in this one as well and you can explore that. Be interesting to see how they do it I suppose. Will you have to buy some kind of scuba gear first?

 

I'm guessing so. The whole game is meant to be bigger than San Andreas, Red Dead Redemption and GTA IV combined. That is mind-blowing! Though i expect that being able to explore the ocean takes up a lot of the scale of the game.

Submarine I reckon!

Reports that the new xbox wont play second hand games, if so Microsoft have dealt themselves a death blow in that market because not many people will buy it

Reports that the new xbox wont play second hand games, if so Microsoft have dealt themselves a death blow in that market because not many people will buy it

 

If this is the case i will definitely defect to PS4. People won't stand for it.

PS4 might do it as well

 

http://uk.games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/sony-files-patent-application-block-used-games-201106637.html?fb_action_ids=10152550314395581%2C10152519155390043%2C10152519157440043&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210152550314395581%22%3A140763269420160%2C%2210152519155390043%22%3A140763269420160%2C%2210152519157440043%22%3A544196502259365%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210152550314395581%22%3A%22news.reads%22%2C%2210152519155390043%22%3A%22news.reads%22%2C%2210152519157440043%22%3A%22news.reads%22%7D&action_ref_map=[]

Not a big deal for me personally, never buy second hand games!

It's a big deal for millions of other people though and for all those shops that rely on second hand game sales to survive. Its not even just about buying them though, consider this: If you buy a game like that, you can never lend it to a friend or sibling to use on their machine, never take it round to someone's house to play. Never rent a game to play any more. etc...

Really think in the near future, buying games and such will only be available via a online marketplace/steam etc - especially if they put this lock on, and it seems like they want it to happen themselves with this lock on.

I'm not convinced that the inability to buy games will make that much of a dent in either company's profits. Hardcore gamers have already been flocking away from consoles in recent years and the rumors of an underpowered next generation aren't going to bring them back. This is probably merely the death blow for those who have stayed. Casuals, on the other hand, probably won't care. Granny isn't going to say no when her 13 year old grandson asks for a 720 for Christmas just because there aren't any used games. I do think it's a disturbing trend for the industry, though. One might argue that there are no such things as used games on the PC, but nearly every PC game is also substantially cheaper than $60. Hell, games like FIFA are often still $60 right up until the release of next year's edition. On PC, you've got blockbuster games that are half off a month after release. The only way that this move will be even remotely palatable is if the market for console games shifts accordingly, but I doubt it. 

Games are a rip off now anyway, £45 - £50 for a game?!

 

Thats nearly a full tank of diesel, a nice pair of jeans or food shopping for the week - I am getting old.

To be fair though that 40 pound game could give you hours and hours of entertainment. If you buy a brand new blu ray film thats about 20 ish quid and thats a 2 hour film. Most games will take you ten or so hours to complete some less and some more so if you think about it that way then its not that bad.

If xbox do go ahead with this and stop second hand game but PS dont then everyone will go over to PS.

I wouldnt take that too seriously, they sad the same about the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Either both will do it or neither as whichever one does do it will lose out massively.

Some game companies have already started it somewhat, FIFA for example has a unique code that only works once to unlock the online modes so if you buy it second hand you somehow need to get a new code.

 

But yeah, dont think it will happen anyway.