Yeah people keep telling me that.

 

 

Weird that you'd telling. Always struck me as someone who knows what they're talking about.

He's the second or third best keeper in world football and he's still exceedingly young. I think he's got as good a shot as anyone.

 

You'd back Cech though. Courtois has never been in a penalty shoot-out.

I appreciate people saying we should show him respect etc. But ffs it's hardly like he's been a slave to the club. We've paid him 100k a week for 10 years. Perhaps it should be him showing the club and fans some respect?

I swear we're the only top club that sells to direct rivals. Mata lampard was bad enough but this would take arsenal to the next level. Id rather keep him at the for 10m. Not happy at all.

 

Exactly.

 

It's a shame that it's a surprising thing these days for a footballer to always show respect and 100% committment.

If the club decides it's okay to sell him to a direct rival, that's not Cech's problem, is it? He wants to play every week, for a club in the CL, and he wants to stay in London. He's not going to uproot his family to please Chelsea supporters. This has nothing to do with him having to show the club and its supporters respect. He did a terrific job for us, he got well paid for it in money and applause, he owes us nothing if he wants to leave and if the club lets him go. For him, it's just a job, same as we view our jobs.

It will be horrible to see him doing well for Arsenal, but Chelsea winning prizes is up to Chelsea.

 

I don't dispute that at all, no one else should either, I wouldn't lose respect for him playing for Arsenal, he already wants to anyway.

 

But this is a bad decision from the club should we go through with it, we shouldn't let him go there and make it pretty clear. Spurs done it with Modric, Liverpool done it with Suarez, we shouldn't let Cech go to strengthen Arsenal, he either goes abroad or not at all that's how it should be.

Sorry but neither Frank not Pete have or would have asterisks next to their name. That's just not true. Frank is still loved by the fans,so will Pete.

 

Of course they'll be loved but it will not be forgotten.

Exactly.

 

It's a shame that it's a surprising thing these days for a footballer to always show respect and 100% committment.

 

I think that's unfair. The man gave us unbelievable service to the point of nearly suffering a very serious injury on the pitch then didn't complain one iota when we replaced him.

 

He's one of the good guys in football. That's why he's getting this special treatment.

I think that's unfair. The man gave us unbelievable service to the point of nearly suffering a very serious injury on the pitch then didn't complain one iota when we replaced him.

 

He's one of the good guys in football. That's why he's getting this special treatment.

 

Like I said I wouldn't be disappointed in Cech for going to Arsenal, I would be disappointed in the club for letting him to go Arsenal.

 

We paid his wages he gave exceptional service, but no player is bigger than the club, this is for the future. Selling to Arsenal has a lot more at stake than just simply losing him. Arsenal are already a very talented side that need a few players to assemble a good team, why should we give them one of the best keepers in the world? For the sake of being classy because he was a top pro? I don't see the logic in that. 

Edited June 6, 201511 yr by Sloth

Like I said I wouldn't be disappointed in Cech for going to Arsenal, I would be disappointed in the club for letting him to go Arsenal.

 

We paid his wages he gave exceptional service, but no player is bigger than the club, this is for the future. Selling to Arsenal has a lot more at stake than just simply losing him. Arsenal are already a very talented side that need a few players to assemble a good team, why should we give them one of the best keepers in the world? For the sake of being classy because he was a top pro? I don't see the logic in that. 

 

It's not logical. It's about mates doing best by mates. Roman seems to have massive respect for this man and is looking out for his best interests.

 

I've got a lot of admiration for that.

It's not logical. It's about mates doing best by mates. Roman seems to have massive respect for this man and is looking out for his best interests.

 

I've got a lot of admiration for that.

 

Well let's give them Hazard on a free to show what a nice club we are while we are at it. 

 

We will have big regrets for not being stubborn enough with this one. Liverpool made a good decision not selling Suarez to Arsenal, Tottenham made a good decision not selling Modric to us. Both signings would've benefited Arsenal and us massively at the time and even now.

 

Again if it's not logical then I'm not going to agree with it, I would be surprised if even a minority do. 

He can go where he wants as far as I am concerned. And I wish him all the best.

Yes, Arsenal are a rival but why should he go to a club that doesn't have a chance of winning trophies just to please some ?

For some people on here it's a case of, sorry you're no longer number one but please other go abroad, ignoring the fact you probably see England as your home and your children's home, or go somewhere where you can't win anything. Or , of course, languish on the bench at Chelsea.

Well let's give them Hazard on a free to show what a nice club we are while we are at it. 

 

 

I was referring to Roman doing right by Pete, not Jose doing right by Arsene. They don't get on apparently.

 

 

We will have big regrets for not being stubborn enough with this one. Liverpool made a good decision not selling Suarez to Arsenal, Tottenham made a good decision not selling Modric to us. Both signings would've benefited Arsenal and us massively at the time and even now.

 

 

Neither Suarez nor Modric had been replaced by their club, nor were they long-serving members of the squad with close friendships with the chairman. Completely different situations if you look at it like that.

 

 

Again if it's not logical then I'm not going to agree with it, I would be surprised if even a minority do. 

 

Football isn't about logic though. It's about emotion, relationships, sticky little things like that.

 

If it was about logic then we'd knock down the Bridge, sell it for land and build a new stadium in somewhere like Ebbsfleet. Think about it, you've got the great transport links on the high-speed not just from London but also mainland Europe, land around there is only going to appreciate in value and you'd cover all the costs and make a profit from the land on the Fulham Road. 

 

But we don't do that because football isn't logical.

It's not logical. It's about mates doing best by mates. Roman seems to have massive respect for this man and is looking out for his best interests.

 

I've got a lot of admiration for that.

 

The problem is when the owner goes 'over the head' of the man he employs to run team affairs, old wounds re-open.

Of course they'll be loved but it will not be forgotten.

 

But that doesn't mean they're achievements will have an asterisk after them. To my mind Frank has been forgiven and the response he got at the last game confirms that.

 

I saw some people giving Frank dog's abuse on the internet and on other forums and I'm sure some will do the same with Pete but I don't think that's at all a fair representation of the way the majority of supporters think nor is it 'asterisk-worthy'.

 

They're legends loved by the Stamford Bridge faithful. End of.

The problem is when the owner goes 'over the head' of the man he employs to run team affairs, old wounds re-open.

 

Jose has the best team in England, the best academy in Europe, the best young player in Europe, the best young keeper in the world and a huge transfer pot which apparently he's willing to use on people like Falcao.

 

If Jose doesn't win the league next season then it's going to be his fault, not Roman's for letting Cech go to Arsenal. May sound harsh but it's my opinion.

Edited June 6, 201511 yr by Blue Daze

The problem is when the owner goes 'over the head' of the man he employs to run team affairs, old wounds re-open.

 

The buck should stop with Jose on this.

 

I do think that Petr has every right to want leave after finding himself down the pecking order, but if Jose doesn't want him to go to Arsenal then he shouldn't sell him to them.

 

If we are going to sell to Arsenal, lets make them pay the going rate for a keeper whose still in the top 5 keepers in the World.

 

If we are going to sell to Arsenal, lets make them pay the going rate for a keeper whose still in the top 5 keepers in the World.

 

What is that exactly? If he left tomorrow for £10 million, then that makes him the 6th most expensive keeper of all time and the oldest keeper in the top 10 of all time.

 

The closest comparison would probably be Claudio Bravo who was 2 years younger and still first choice at his current club but went for just under £10 million.

 

It would seem like that fee is the going rate for a top keeper of Cech's age.

I was referring to Roman doing right by Pete, not Jose doing right by Arsene. They don't get on apparently.

 

 

Neither Suarez nor Modric had been replaced by their club, nor were they long-serving members of the squad with close friendships with the chairman. Completely different situations if you look at it like that.

 

 

Football isn't about logic though. It's about emotion, relationships, sticky little things like that.

 

If it was about logic then we'd knock down the Bridge, sell it for land and build a new stadium in somewhere like Ebbsfleet. Think about it, you've got the great transport links on the high-speed not just from London but also mainland Europe, land around there is only going to appreciate in value and you'd cover all the costs and make a profit from the land on the Fulham Road. 

 

But we don't do that because football isn't logical.

 

By complete different situations that was never my main point. My main point was they refused to sell to a rival, that's something we should do, we can do it. 

 

As a matter of fact Arsenal should be the last club we give Cech, City and Arsenal are our title competitors currently, them two sides should be on the last sides we sell to. 

 

When do Real ever sell to Barca? When does it ever happen vice versa besides Figo? Because it just doesn't happen. We are a club we strive to win things, weaken our rivals at any opportunity we can, why strengthen them for some morale status? We are winners that's what we do we are always hated regardless. The clubs future should always be in our best interest, call it c**tish or not, not letting Cech go to Arsenal would be a very good decision, we can do that and we should do that. 

 

Edit: For the record there is more to that Stamford Bridge story than what meets the eye, let us not forget we already got rejected to move somewhere else two years ago, so it's not like we are doing that because of the fans interest. 

Edited June 6, 201511 yr by Sloth

Well let's give them Hazard on a free to show what a nice club we are while we are at it.

We will have big regrets for not being stubborn enough with this one. Liverpool made a good decision not selling Suarez to Arsenal, Tottenham made a good decision not selling Modric to us. Both signings would've benefited Arsenal and us massively at the time and even now.

Again if it's not logical then I'm not going to agree with it, I would be surprised if even a minority do.

By complete different situations that was never my main point. My main point was they refused to sell to a rival, that's something we should do, we can do it. 

 

As a matter of fact Arsenal should be the last club we give Cech, City and Arsenal are our title competitors currently, them two sides should be on the last sides we sell to. 

 

 

My point is that the different circumstances are important though. I agree that I don't want him at Arsenal and I'm hoping United come in with a bid for him if they lose De Gea.

 

When do Real ever sell to Barca? When does it ever happen vice versa besides Figo? Because it just doesn't happen. We are a club we strive to win things, weaken our rivals at any opportunity we can, why strengthen them for some morale status? We are winners that's what we do we are always hated regardless. The clubs future should always be in our best interest, call it c**tish or not, not letting Cech go to Arsenal would be a very good decision, we can do that and we should do that. 

 

 

Luis Enrique, Michael Laudrup, Schuster....doesn't happen regularly but does happen.

 

We could let Cech rot in the reserves but I think that's the difference between simply caring about the results and trophies and caring about the people involved. We make decisions like that all the time. The club didn't need to freeze ticket prices and could've justifiably raised them in line with inflation whilst still selling out, but they didn't? Was that illogical? You tell me the justification for doing that....you can't. It was just the right thing to do. They think this is too.

 

 

 

Edit: For the record there is more to that Stamford Bridge story than what meets the eye, let us not forget we already got rejected to move somewhere else two years ago, so it's not like we are doing that because of the fans interest. 

 

Actually the CPO refused to sell the club back because there were grave worries amongst some over remaining close to the current ground. 

 

Was that the logical thing to do? Could we have maybe moved out of London? Absolutely. But we didn't, because football isn't about logic.

 

If it was then you'd support whichever team was successful at the time. What's the point in going week-in and week-out to watch a team do badly, like many of us here did? Because it's not just about winning and losing, it's about your mates, those relationships....stupid, messy, illogical things like feelings.

 

And yes doing what you think is right does damage you in the short-term but sometimes it doesn't matter.

 

 

But you've made some good points and even if I disagree with them I respect the way you put them across. We just disagree.

Edited June 6, 201511 yr by Blue Daze

Arsenal sold their players because they had to offset the amount of debt incurred from the construction and establishment of their new stadium. They managed to get top 4 positions in that time still or else there'd have been some heavy repercussions on the club. Now that they nearly all the debt has been settled, it's unlikely you'll see a pattern of this continuing. Chelsea have never been in a bad position financially under RA, and hence don't gain any benefits for the club, but instead, potential losses (not necessarily financially). I don't like really like the way we allow Mata with his quality to go to United, or for Lampard to leave freely like that, and now potentially Cech. We need to look out for the club first and foremost, and a transaction like this won't help that. If we were to get an exponential fee like 40 odd million (aware it won't be that high but just assume that) then yes, it would help with purchase of other players, but for 10m? Not likely to change much. This isn't even considering if you take a fairly popular opinion on this site that José feels the team is good enough and will only make minor purchases to help the squad as a whole.

Chelsea are a very good team, but it's only going to get harder for the team next year. Winning prizes is up to Chelsea, that's correct,but you win prizes by having better quality overall as a squad and as your primary first XI, so selling Cech would weaken the squad (although either way he's not going to stay) but give other teams a great deal of quality as well. Allowing a player of Cech's quality to leave to a rival is only going to create an even smaller gap in quality between us and Arsenal -- or whatever rival we sell him too.

Goalkeepers won't have the same effect as investing in a top striker, no; nor will it have a significant effect from upgrading from a good keeper to a very good keeper but when your existing goalkeepers have a lot of faults to them (like Opsina and Chesney clearly do) then a player like Cech could easily get them many extra points.

Hopefully Wenger has too much faith in their GKs to do anything, and United go for a younger keeper instead.

Edited June 6, 201511 yr by MANoWAR

Arsenal sold their players because they had to offset the amount of debt incurred from the construction and establishment of their new stadium. They managed to get top 4 positions in that time still or else there'd have been some heavy repercussions on the club. Now that they nearly all the debt has been settled, it's unlikely you'll see a pattern of this continuing. Chelsea have never been in a bad position financially under RA, and hence don't gain any benefits for the club, but instead, potential losses (not necessarily financially). I don't like really like the way we allow Mata with his quality to go to United, or for Lampard to leave freely like that, and now potentially Cech.

Chelsea are a very good team, but it's only going to get harder for the team next year. Winning prizes is up to Chelsea, that's correct,but you win prizes by having better quality overall as a squad and as your primary first XI, so selling Cech would weaken the squad (although either way he's not going to stay) but give other teams a great deal of quality as well. Allowing a player of Cech's quality to leave to a rival is only going to create an even smaller gap in quality between us and Arsenal -- or whatever rival we sell him too.

Goalkeepers won't have the same effect as investing in a top striker, no; nor will it have a significant effect from upgrading from a good keeper to a very good keeper but when your existing goalkeepers have a lot of faults to them (like Opsina and Chesney clearly do) then a player like Cech could easily get them many extra points.

Hopefully Wenger has too much faith in their GKs to do anything, and United go for a younger keeper instead.

Fingers crossed.

Hoping Cech goes to PSG or Real Madrid still

Jose has the best team in England, the best academy in Europe, the best young player in Europe, the best young keeper in the world and a huge transfer pot which apparently he's willing to use on people like Falcao.

 

If Jose doesn't win the league next season then it's going to be his fault, not Roman's for letting Cech go to Arsenal. May sound harsh but it's my opinion.

 

A whole load of pointless dribble, the buck should stop with the manager for team affairs( full control not a watered down version to suit the owner). He decides who comes in or out, his recommendations on where a player goes should come upmost. One reason that Ferguson stayed so long at the top in the job he realised that club comes first, he would only deal with players to clubs that suited him.This maybe harsh but football is unlike any other industry, the rewards are vast for the inconvenience of moving around the globe in a short term career. Petr is a legend at the club but it isn't as though we haven't rewarded him and his family handsomely already whilst achieving this status. Personally I would allow him to move abroad on a cheaper fee so that he could negotiate a higher wage for himself and if it had to be Arsenal there would be a special tax applied to the fee.

A whole load of pointless dribble, the buck should stop with the manager for team affairs( full control not a watered down version to suit the owner). He decides who comes in or out, his recommendations on where a player goes should come upmost. One reason that Ferguson stayed so long at the top in the job he realised that club comes first, he would only deal with players to clubs that suited him.This maybe harsh but football is unlike any other industry, the rewards are vast for the inconvenience of moving around the globe in a short term career. Petr is a legend at the club but it isn't as though we haven't rewarded him and his family handsomely already whilst achieving this status. Personally I would allow him to move abroad on a cheaper fee so that he could negotiate a higher wage for himself and if it had to be Arsenal there would be a special tax applied to the fee.

Totally agree

My point is that the different circumstances are important though. I agree that I don't want him at Arsenal and I'm hoping United come in with a bid for him if they lose De Gea.

 

 

Luis Enrique, Michael Laudrup, Schuster....doesn't happen regularly but does happen.

 

We could let Cech rot in the reserves but I think that's the difference between simply caring about the results and trophies and caring about the people involved. We make decisions like that all the time. The club didn't need to freeze ticket prices and could've justifiably raised them in line with inflation whilst still selling out, but they didn't? Was that illogical? You tell me the justification for doing that....you can't. It was just the right thing to do. They think this is too.

 

 

Actually the CPO refused to sell the club back because there were grave worries amongst some over remaining close to the current ground. 

 

Was that the logical thing to do? Could we have maybe moved out of London? Absolutely. But we didn't, because football isn't about logic.

 

If it was then you'd support whichever team was successful at the time. What's the point in going week-in and week-out to watch a team do badly, like many of us here did? Because it's not just about winning and losing, it's about your mates, those relationships....stupid, messy, illogical things like feelings.

 

And yes doing what you think is right does damage you in the short-term but sometimes it doesn't matter.

 

 

But you've made some good points and even if I disagree with them I respect the way you put them across. We just disagree.

 

Football is about many things to be fair, not just logic a great deal of many things, Bayern killed Dortmund for a reason despite another German giant making the league interesting and more watchable.

 

As always our fans remain very classy in these circumstances, although I for one seriously hope the club play it rough, some would say dirty however we want to win the league again, I would hate to strengthen Arsenal. If that means lose a great deal of respect then so be it I couldn't care less, some fans agree some don't obviously. 

Edited June 6, 201511 yr by Sloth

A whole load of pointless dribble, the buck should stop with the manager for team affairs( full control not a watered down version to suit the owner). He decides who comes in or out, his recommendations on where a player goes should come upmost. One reason that Ferguson stayed so long at the top in the job he realised that club comes first, he would only deal with players to clubs that suited him.This maybe harsh but football is unlike any other industry, the rewards are vast for the inconvenience of moving around the globe in a short term career. Petr is a legend at the club but it isn't as though we haven't rewarded him and his family handsomely already whilst achieving this status. Personally I would allow him to move abroad on a cheaper fee so that he could negotiate a higher wage for himself and if it had to be Arsenal there would be a special tax applied to the fee.

 

Fair enough, disagree, don't think it's anymore pointless dribble than the view you've expressed and understand your frustration but I see this as a special case.

 

 If that means lose a great deal of respect then so be it I couldn't care less, some fans agree some don't obviously. 

 

I don't care if we're respected or not to be honest, this is simply about treating Pete properly because he's Pete, not so people think we're classy or whatever. We know what we are.