Or we're old.

You speak for yourself. Old is ten years older than me - always has been, always will be!

I dont ever recall Fergie not being supported by the club in the transfer window after a successful season either

 

I do remember Sir Red Nose complaining that the club wasn't meeting his transfer needs before - also I do remember Fergie using manu's academy a lot more than Jose ever did

You speak for yourself. Old is ten years older than me - always has been, always will be!

Steve's numerical suffix suggests he could be ageless!

Steve's numerical suffix suggests he could be ageless!

 

I know right? I start thinking of this song when I see Steve's handle

yes I am beginning to grey

/\ really enjoyed that :)

/\ really enjoyed that :)

 

glad to be of service to you mate

when you experience the interfering inept fa making us participate in a play off to be relegated against boro in 1988 one appreciates what a great manager has done for the us. since so many are 'born with silver spoons in their mouths' then all they can show is contempt, ingratitude and a narcissistic impatient attitude when the manager is suffering a 'blip'! 

He's now saying that 'if the players want me to go, I will go'.

 

Clear as day he's lost the dressing room over the Eva saga and dropping JT.

 

He's a goner, only a matter of time.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10018515/jose-mourinho-says-he-will-leave-chelsea-if-players-want

 

 

We want someone else for long term success. It was a nice nostalgia trip Jose but it's time to go, for good this time.

Funny none of the players take any responsibility for their sh*tty performances, at some point they have to own up to their own shortcomings so far.

Also for all those who want him gone, who do we get then? Seriously its annoying to see all this sack jose its time to go etc yet no one has any real viable alternative. Who would you get to replace our most successful manager ever? When he has a bad blip will everyone start calling for his head immediately?

If not Jose then no one will ever be a long term Chelsea manager while Roman still owns the club. Here for a year or two then fired for the next one.

He's now saying that 'if the players want me to go, I will go'.

 

Clear as day he's lost the dressing room over the Eva saga and dropping JT.

 

He's a goner, only a matter of time.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10018515/jose-mourinho-says-he-will-leave-chelsea-if-players-want

 

 

We want someone else for long term success. It was a nice nostalgia trip Jose but it's time to go, for good this time.

 

You're as bad as the tabloid press in mis-reporting what he has said in the article you've referenced: 

 

First, no mention by you of the fact that JT has come out in full support of Mourinho (which the article does in fact mention).

 

Secondly, the article reproduces all of what Mourinho has stated whereas you've just latched onto one sentence & put a different spin on it: what in fact Jose stated, according to the article, is:

 

"People can say what they want. I think you should go straight to the players," said Mourinho, who has received the public backing of John Terry.

 

"Get a table at Cobham next week - John Terry doesn't go to the national team, Diego Costa doesn't go, Ramires doesn't go. Ask them.

"If they tell you they don't trust me, that is the only thing that can make me resign. The only thing. But not fake sources. The players at the table."

So.....if Mourinho has 'lost' the dressing room as you say, why would he be inviting the press to talk one on one with the players? You're just being provocative aren't you? Tell you what: why don't you f**k off from this site for good instead.

If not Jose then no one will ever be a long term Chelsea manager while Roman still owns the club. Here for a year or two then fired for the next one.

I'm afraid that the alternative is worse. If we can identify who it is who has fallen out with Jose, if it is just one or two players, then they can be shepherded on and we can try get back on track. This is exactly what Louis Van Gaal did as soon as he took over at Manchester United. I wouldn't be surprised if David Moyes gave him a list of names of the players who deliberately played like sh*t to get him the sack so that he wouldn't suffer the same fate.

 

If it's just one or two players, it's fixable. However, our entire team looks like sh*t. That's what really worries me. 

 

It's either the entire squad or the manager. 

Edited October 5, 201510 yr by Izanagi

So.....if Mourinho has 'lost' the dressing room as you say, why would he be inviting the press to talk one on one with the players? You're just being provocative aren't you? Tell you what: why don't you f**k off from this site for good instead.

You're going to have to do better than that.

 

You cannot simply demean anyone who has a differing viewpoint to yourself. That just adds toxicity and gets everyone nowhere. 

 

Jose is a good manager, don't get me wrong, but he is not the second coming of Jesus. He did not survive falling out with key players at Real Madrid and he won't here either. The only manager in recent EPL history who could have gotten away with something like this and gotten stronger as a result is Alex Ferguson.

I'm afraid that the alternative is worse. If we can identify who it is who has fallen out with Jose, if it is just one or two players, then they can be shepherded on and we can try get back on track. This is exactly what Louis Van Gaal did as soon as he took over at Manchester United. I wouldn't be surprised if David Moyes gave him a list of names of the players who deliberately played like sh*t to get him the sack so that he wouldn't suffer the same fate.

 

If it's just one or two players, it's fixable. However, our entire team looks like sh*t. That's what really worries me. 

 

It's either the entire squad or the manager. Which one do you think it's going to be?

 

more crap from you....first you say (w/o any evidence for same mind you) that one or possibly two players have 'fallen out' with Mourinho & thereafter imply (by reference to Van Gaal) that certain players are deliberately 'playing like sh*t' in order to get Jose the sack ala Moyes.

 

you then proceed to assert that because the entire team is 'playing like sh*t' then it follows that there must be a blanket conspiracy by the whole squad who must be involved: so, supposition upon supposition to found a baseless dichotomy. Why do you bother us with such dribble?

Edited October 5, 201510 yr by youlots

You're going to have to do better than that.

 

You cannot simply demean anyone who has a differing viewpoint to yourself. That just adds toxicity and gets everyone nowhere. 

 

Jose is a good manager, don't get me wrong, but he is not the second coming of Jesus. He did not survive falling out with key players at Real Madrid and he won't here either. The only manager in recent EPL history who could have gotten away with something like this and gotten stronger as a result is Alex Ferguson.

 

Why do I have to do better than that? I've shown you up for cherry-picking & mis-reportage so as to found a false & provocative conclusion. That's what you did did you not? Yes. And because you did that you should be brought to account. Which is what I did. Have you the honesty to admit same? No.

 

Instead, now you're trying to evade by resort to a hyperbolic straw-man: "he is not the 2nd coming etc etc"....& then throw in the reference to Real et etc. Let me ask you this: what is the average tenure of managers at Real in the last 15 years?

more crap from you....first you say (w/o any evidence for same mind you) that one or possibly two players have 'fallen out' with Mourinho & thereafter imply (by reference to Van Gaal) that certain players are deliberately 'playing like sh*t' in order to get Jose the sack ala Moyes.

 

you then proceed to assert that because the entire team is 'playing like sh*t' then it follows that there must be a blanket conspiracy by the whole squad who must be involved: so, supposition upon supposition to found a baseless dichotomy. Why do you bother us with such dribble?

True, no players have come out and said they're pissed at the manager. You almost never hear that from any club these days given the social media lockdowns common at clubs during tough spells (think us and the Matic saga last year). Actions, the lack of action in our case, speak louder than words however. You simply do not go from winning the league by the margin we did to being just above the relegation zone a few months later.

 

It's almost as if we haven't had players who have played like sh*t to get a manager sacked after clearly falling out with him.

 

 

Oh, wait...

 

It's also almost as if we suddenly didn't do a complete 180 following this and achieve the near impossible out of nowhere.

 

^ now the resort to AVB who clearly lost the dressing room & of which it was painfully clear to most. But, and again, you have made an assumption that a team that has lost form has done so 'deliberately' and/or you have made an assumption that a team that lost form means that a Manager has 'lost' the dressing room. Unless & until you provide evidence of 'deliberateness' or evidence of 'loss of confidence in the Manager' by one of more players then both assumptions are not founded, are they?

^ now the resort to AVB who clearly lost the dressing room & of which it was painfully clear to most. But, and again, you have made an assumption that a team that has lost form has done so 'deliberately' and/or you have made an assumption that a team that lost form means that a Manager has 'lost' the dressing room. Unless & until you provide evidence of 'deliberateness' or evidence of 'loss of confidence in the Manager' by one of more players then both assumptions are not founded, are they?

Even if the team has not lost form deliberately the buck ultimately stops with the manager. If he was bringing through the likes of Loftus Cheek, Solanke, Kenedy and Rahman we could all understand a dip in form as youth get blooded in the first team. This isn't the case however. He is playing the same side week-in-week-out and failing to address obvious problems.

 

Assumptions is all people have to go on these days given how watertight social media is and given how most notable players get social media training. However, Jose seemed to completely forget that during the post match presser against Southampton. He came across as a person quickly losing the plot over something he has seemingly no control over. We have previous history of falling out with managers and players taking matters into their own hands, this was probably why Roman wanted to move Lampard/Drogba/JT all on in 2012. People will understandably start drawing comparisons with previous events and come to assumptive conclusions as to where this will end up.

^But you act like we don't have a manager who has come to CFC twice, mixed up the team twice, and won league titles both times.

The team you mentioned contained many strong leaders who loved the club and could lead on the pitch. Do you think this team contains that?

Plus what player(s) do you think are irreplaceable?

Mourinho backed or the squad of players who have never won BPL aside from under Mourinho's management. Well aside from Ivanovic, Mikel and Terry (plus Matic before his sale to Benfica ).

I know where my money would be to win that next bpl title. Next manager would clear out an under performing squad anyways, just like Mourinho did leading up to that title last season.

Even if the team has not lost form deliberately the buck ultimately stops with the manager. If he was bringing through the likes of Loftus Cheek, Solanke, Kenedy and Rahman we could all understand a dip in form as youth get blooded in the first team. This isn't the case however. He is playing the same side week-in-week-out and failing to address obvious problems.

 

Assumptions is all people have to go on these days given how watertight social media is and given how most notable players get social media training. However, Jose seemed to completely forget that during the post match presser against Southampton. He came across as a person quickly losing the plot over something he has seemingly no control over. We have previous history of falling out with managers and players taking matters into their own hands, this was probably why Roman wanted to move Lampard/Drogba/JT all on in 2012. People will understandably start drawing comparisons with previous events and come to assumptive conclusions as to where this will end up.

 

ok....so now we get down to it....the 'buck stops' argument. That's all you've got left really isn't it?

 

as for the excuse (in a belated attempt to try and clothe your previous arguments with some sort of weight) that 'assumptions is all people have to go on these days' is pretty desperate wouldn't you agree? Then the resort to cliche - 'lost the plot' etc. and the final flourish being the resort to herd mentality (being your last sentence) which again does not progress or lend any weight to your previous suppositions.

 

Still waiting for the evidence......still waiting for the answer to the Real question I put to you.

^But you act like we don't have a manager who has come to CFC twice, mixed up the team twice, and won league titles both times.

The team you mentioned contained many strong leaders who loved the club and could lead on the pitch. Do you think this team contains that?

Plus what player(s) do you think are irreplaceable?

Mourinho backed or the squad of players who have never won BPL aside from under Mourinho's management. Well aside from Ivanovic, Mikel and Terry (plus Matic before his sale to Benfica ).

I know where my money would be to win that next bpl title. Next manager would clear out an under performing squad anyways, just like Mourinho did leading up to that title last season.

True. There is no denying what Mourinho has done for us, during his previous tenure and his current one. However, how this season has panned out so far is ominously similar to his sacking in 2007. If he survives then I will gladly take hat in hand and admit I got it wrong. Until then the jury is out.

 

This is where I think we're very thin on the ground. Terry is our only leader now that both Lampard and Drogba and he's on his last legs and spends a fair bit of time on the bench. Ivanovic does not strike me as a leader and his on-the-pitch examples are embarrassing if they are to be taken as an example for the likes of Zouma to follow. Cahill seems too timid to step up and Azpi seems too nice to kick arse when need-be.

 

I think our only truly irreplaceable players are Hazard and Azpi, perhaps Costa and Oscar when they pick up a streak of good form. Matic just has not looked at the races and Fabregas doesn't seem bothered now that he has picked up his Premier League winner's medal. The less said about Ivanovic the better and the same goes for Cahill as he has a habit of vanishing at the worst times.

ok....so now we get down to it....the 'buck stops' argument. That's all you've got left really isn't it?

 

as for the excuse (in a belated attempt to try and clothe your previous arguments with some sort of weight) that 'assumptions is all people have to go on these days' is pretty desperate wouldn't you agree? Then the resort to cliche - 'lost the plot' etc. and the final flourish being the resort to herd mentality (being your last sentence) which again does not progress or lend any weight to your previous suppositions.

 

Still waiting for the evidence......still waiting for the answer to the Real question I put to you.

Well, the buck does stop with the manager. If it doesn't then the players have too much power and you have a time bomb waiting to go off in your squad.

 

I'm not wrong. We only have assumptions and whispers to go on as clubs and players are so savvy with social media. The media in the UK have the nose of a bloodhound though, if they smell blood in the water there probably is some.

 

I stand by what I said as well, he has lost the plot. Watch this again and tell me otherwise.

 

 

Real Madrid have a worse sacking record than we do.

 

In the past fifteen years they have had these managers.

 

Vincente Del Bosque (1999 - 2003)

Carlos Quierzo (2003 - 2004)

Jose Camacho  (2004)

Mariano Remon (2004)

Vanaderlei Luxemburgo (2004 - 2005)

Juan Caro (2005 - 2006)

Fabio Capello (2006 - 2007)

Bernd Schuster (2007 - 2008)

Jaunde Ramos (2008 - 2009)

Manuel Pellegrini (2009 - 2010)

Jose Mourinho (2010 - 2013)

Carlo Ancelotti (2013 - 2015)

Rafael Benitez (2015 - Present)

 

That's thirteen managers in fifteen years. That's almost a manager per each season but those figures are skewed by the tenures of Quierzo, Camacho, and Remon. So really, it's a manager per every two seasons. The only managers that lasted more than two seasons were Del Bosque and Mourinho, and that is reflected in the titles they won. Ancelotti is the real shocker as he won the CL with Real Madrid but still got sacked, like us and Di Matteo.

Apart from AVB, scolari also suffered similar fate.. I would also add ancelotti 2nd season into the mix.. those are 3 examples of player power.. No such thing of bad form over long period for a club like chelsea..

True. There is no denying what Mourinho has done for us, during his previous tenure and his current one. However, how this season has panned out so far is ominously similar to his sacking in 2007. If he survives then I will gladly take hat in hand and admit I got it wrong. Until then the jury is out.

 

This is where I think we're very thin on the ground. Terry is our only leader now that both Lampard and Drogba and he's on his last legs and spends a fair bit of time on the bench. Ivanovic does not strike me as a leader and his on-the-pitch examples are embarrassing if they are to be taken as an example for the likes of Zouma to follow. Cahill seems too timid to step up and Azpi seems too nice to kick arse when need-be.

 

I think our only truly irreplaceable players are Hazard and Azpi, perhaps Costa and Oscar when they pick up a streak of good form. Matic just has not looked at the races and Fabregas doesn't seem bothered now that he has picked up his Premier League winner's medal. The less said about Ivanovic the better and the same goes for Cahill as he has a habit of vanishing at the worst times.

And that's why I say give Mourinho another role of the dice. This squad isn't nearly as good as the first one he built.

Especially when, a I would suggest, that star player you mentioned, Hazard, is also likely here for a short term. Not saying I want him gone but I'd bet the mortgage he's not here in 3 seasons.

I thought we had gone some way to replacing Lamps with Fabragas, initially it looked like it, now it looks far from it. Same can be said for Drogba with Costa for different reasons, then theres Cech and Cortouis and Makalele and Matic, then there's JT and no one !

 

No wonder we're stuggling, we've lost the steel spine !!