2 minutes ago, coco said:

New rules, bonus point for the team with the most possession.

Final score 4-3.

You still lose.

Its not just about possession. We had more possession v Man United last week but still deserved to lose. Its about intensity, desire and philosophy. Yes they didnt create much, but nor did we. And there was only one team looking like scoring in that second half. The pressed us better and passed better. We scored from a corner and a wonder goal. Briliant for us. But dont let that cover up the general pattern of the game.

1 minute ago, coco said:

They went home early, minus 1 point.

YES GET IN..

 

Are we allowed to enjoy it now?

What a fantastic day for Chelsea. I didn't think on form we would do it but Spurs were overconfident and we made them pay. Fantastic goals throughout for both sides. Matic's was incredible. Luiz was superb in defense and was my MOM. IT was his birthday too. Ake was excellent and has surely cemented a place in this team. Everyone put a shift in and that's why we won. Conte is not happy with Southampton game on Tuesday, so shortly after this match. FA are conspiring to do us up like a kipper. Spurs play Palace next night and have more rest. Southampton game is another important game. We still haven't won anything until we win FA CUP Final and keep ahead of Spurs in Premiership. One game at a time. Concentration is imperative.

Jamie You must be an absolute blast at parties telling everyone they can enjoy the lager but not too much as the hops wasn't really the right type, plus taking umbrage at drinking Budweiser in a Foster's glass.

Edited April 23, 20179 yr by dkw

Just now, dkw said:

You must be an absolute blast at parties telling everyone they can enjoy the lager but not too much as the hops wasn't really the right type, plus taking umbrage at drinking Budweiser in a Foster's glass.

You should never drink Budweiser in a Fosters Glass.

 

I am glad life is so simple for you. We win we are the best. Great. Enjoy it.

2 minutes ago, jamie#8 said:

Its not just about possession. We had more possession v Man United last week but still deserved to lose. Its about intensity, desire and philosophy. Yes they didnt create much, but nor did we. And there was only one team looking like scoring in that second half. The pressed us better and passed better. We scored from a corner and a wonder goal. Briliant for us. But dont let that cover up the general pattern of the game.

 

Lol. We missed some absolute sitters. The scoreline should have been even worse for them. They were beaten by the better side. Possession and corners mean Jack Sh*t. It's putting the ball in the net that matters and that's exactly what we did.

1 minute ago, jamie#8 said:

You should never drink Budweiser in a Fosters Glass.

 

I am glad life is so simple for you. We win we are the best. Great. Enjoy it.

Ah, strawman now, going through the full repertoire today then. Miserable sod.

Just now, TheBluesBrother said:

 

Lol. We missed some absolute sitters. The scoreline should have been even worse for them. They were beaten by the better side. Possession and corners mean Jack Sh*t. It's putting the ball in the net that matters and that's exactly what we did.

We missed some sitters?!

2 minutes ago, jamie#8 said:

They were competitive end to end games v liverpool. We never absolutely dominated possession. Your talking about a Jose team, so this definitely wouldn't have been the case.

Well that was partly why we struggled so badly in the 2005 and 2007 games at Anfield, because Jose was up against a manager who was also happy to sit back and counter. Rafa conceded all the possession and we struggled to create anything, exactly like Spurs yesterday. The only reason I brought up this is because you said I would be bemoaning our luck in the same situation as Spurs yesterday, which I wouldn't, as I wasn't then. 

And it wasn't just Jose vs him it was Scolari, Grant, Ancelotti aswell (the general Liverpool vs Chelsea rulebook in that period was scraped for the Hiddink games). 

Just now, Argo said:

Well that was partly why we struggled so badly in the 2005 and 2007 games at Anfield, because Jose was up against a manager who was also happy to sit back and counter. Rafa conceded all the possession and we struggled to create anything, exactly like Spurs yesterday. The only reason I brought up this is because you said I would be bemoaning our luck in the same situation as Spurs yesterday, which I wouldn't, as I wasn't then. 

And it wasn't just Jose vs him it was Scolari, Grant, Ancelotti aswell (the general Liverpool vs Chelsea rulebook in that period was scraped for the Hiddink games). 

Honestly, if you was a Spurs fan yesterday, would you feel like you deserved to lose the game?

1 minute ago, jamie#8 said:

We scored from a corner and a wonder goal. Briliant for us. But dont let that cover up the general pattern of the game.

Think of it like a boxing bout.

A boxer can look good for many rounds, but if he can't last the whole 12 rounds and gets sucker punched, TWICE, then you have to admit he was not good enough, not make excuses for him.

Just now, jamie#8 said:

We missed some sitters?!

 Er, how about Costa with an open goal where he headed wide? How about Alonso's shot being blocked when he should have scored?

Just now, jamie#8 said:

Honestly, if you was a Spurs fan yesterday, would you feel like you deserved to lose the game?

I have already covered the answer in the post you quoted. 

Just now, TheBluesBrother said:

 Er, how about Costa with an open goal where he headed wide? How about Alonso's shot being blocked when he should have scored?

both at 4-2?!

Come on now! Dear god!

Just now, TheBluesBrother said:

 Er, how about Costa with an open goal where he headed wide? How about Alonso's shot being blocked when he should have scored?

Plus bats header, should have done much better. He's somehow managed to take a thread full of celebrating beating spuds at Wembley in a semi and turn it into a misery filled bore fest. That's pretty amazing.

Just now, Argo said:

I have already covered the answer in the post you quoted. 

No you said you wouldn't be bemoaning the luck. Its a different question.

Just now, dkw said:

Plus bats header, should have done much better. He's somehow managed to take a thread full of celebrating beating spuds at Wembley in a semi and turn it into a misery filled bore fest. That's pretty amazing.

Take yourself elsewhere then. Nobody is asking you to read/comment.

Well yesterday was interesting. My Spud-supporting housemate and I watched the game together at home with our Liverpool-supporting mate. 

It was tense. He constantly slagged off our players throughout and said our whole team was dirty. But when I mentioned Delle, Vertonghen and Rose as dirty scum he flipped. Told me to f**k off a fair few times (we had had a lot of beer to drink). 

And when that Hazard goal went in he visibly wilted. I went berserk when Matic scored and he looked close to tears. "This was our one chance to win something" etc etc. 

But the icing on the cake was when our Liverpool mate opened up a fresh beer, took one sip and said "Ahhh, clean and crisp. Just like Matic's strike."

Spuddy stormed out of the room. 

2 minutes ago, jamie#8 said:

both at 4-2?!

Come on now! Dear god!

 So what if it was at 4-2. We could have beaten them by even a bigger scorelline.

2 minutes ago, jamie#8 said:

Take yourself elsewhere then. Nobody is asking you to read/comment.

How does spurs luck in not having 2 players sent of work into your logic? Or are we to just ignore that.

Just now, jamie#8 said:

No you said you wouldn't be bemoaning the luck. Its a different question.

No I gave an example of when we were in the exact same situation as spurs yesterday but I felt we didn't deserve anything.

City away in December I admit we got the rub of the green and it should have been different, but when we score 4 goals (plus those sitters mentioned by Alonso and Costa) and the opponents didn't even have four serious goal scoring chances I don't see how we were lucky. Possession wise yes second best, tactically? No way. 

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

How does spurs luck in not having 2 players sent of work into your logic? Or are we to just ignore that.

I genuinely dont know what situations your on about...

1 minute ago, Argo said:

No I gave an example of when we were in the exact same situation as spurs yesterday but I felt we didn't deserve anything.

City away in December I admit we got the rub of the green and it should have been different, but when we score 4 goals (plus those sitters mentioned by Alonso and Costa) and the opponents didn't even have four serious goal scoring chances I don't see how we were lucky. Possession wise yes second best, tactically? No way. 

OK well if we have become a rich man Leicester City, having to sit back and nick games on the break then this is as much an issue as anything else. I don't want to see us play like that, and feel we have the players to not have to.

2 minutes ago, jamie#8 said:

I genuinely dont know what situations your on about...

Loris handball outside the area, Alli stamp in luiz. 

Edited April 23, 20179 yr by dkw

1 hour ago, jamie#8 said:

Yes we were the better team against palace and everyone felt hard done by after game, because we didnt deserve to lose. Im saying I would feel the same as a Spurs fan after yesterday. It pains me to see a spurs team who man for man are now better than us. 

Against City i think it was tactical to sit deep but yesterday I felt we tried to press but they were getting out every time. And we couldnt string three passes together becasue we were pressed with more intensity. I will take the result but I am coming out thinking in 3 games against spurs this season, although we have won twice, we have looked the inferior side on all three occasions.

 

You have called out someone on here for being deluded and then you come out with this

Yes spurs may have played a more attractive brand of football on the day and potentially all season depending on your preferences but do you really think they were better man for man.

Can you really say Son was better than Moses, Dier was better than Ake, Alderwiereld was better than Luiz, Vertongen was better than Azpi, either of Erikson and Ali were better than Willian/Hazard and Pedro, that Lloris was better than Courois. Simply put i don't think you can.

You could easily make a point that Kante and Matic were outplayed by Demebele and Wanyama and that Tripier/Walker had a better game than Alonso, you could also claim that potentially Kane was better than Bats/Costa although I thought Kane was pretty anonymous apart from his goal.
 
But naive and stupid mistakes are also part of the game and you can't give away 4 extremely stupid defensive lapses and expect to win let alone expect to be seen as the better side man for man. You can't just ignore this side of the game because its unattractive, there are more things to consider when looking at a performance or a teams overall quality than just how they press or how many passes they make sideways. Do Liverpool play better football than Tottenham or us as they express this form of the football better than any team in the league in my opinion, surely there league position and results suggest something doesn't add up. 

Also when you consider that despite all their "dominance" and hugely superior football they only managed to make 3 proper chances and actually took their chances clinically can you really say they were superior or unlucky to lose. They shouldn't have scored and didn't deserve to score any more goals against us than they did and they couldn't manage to put us in a position were we needed to chase the game. 

If I were a spurs fan or even neutral would I enjoy watching Tottenham (or Liverpool) definitely but does that mean they play better football, hell no.

Edited April 23, 20179 yr by PedroMendez