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As a result of our Champions League run this season, we are almost seeded in the top eight in Europe. That is important as it will ensure an easier draw for next season. As it stands we are equal on points with United, sharing 8th and 9th place.

The current seedings for next season are as follows: (link )

125.431 Milan

118.478 Barcelona

107.431 Inter

104.164 Liverpool

104.164 Arsenal

103.478 Madrid

98.478 Valencia

97.164 Chelsea

97.164 United

All teams still involved in the competition are still accumulating points.

It is actually possible for us to overtake Valencia and secure a top 8 position even if we lost both games against Liverpool. The reason is that the calculation of those points is a complex formula which includes points for their country coefficient. Basically, the better your country does in Europe the bigger your country coefficient is. Though the amounts is quite small. Of our 97.164 points only 5.032 comes from our country coefficient. If we were to get a top 8 seeding that way we would need United to win both their semi final games, as well as Spurs beat Seville. (West Hams early exit from the UEFA cup is really hurting our country coefficient)

Of course, beating Liverpool would be a much better way to achieve that. I think that probably just one draw out of the two games against Liverpool would do it.

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It is a long story.

Teams get points for their coefficient each season. The seedings are based on totaling the previous five years points. Our overall coefficient is still being hurt by a poor performance in 02/03. Arsenal always get past the group stage. See details here.

For the following season when points for the 02/03 don't count anymore we're currently second to Milan. link (with points for next seasons CL still to be added in)

All the detail is on the seedings and how they are calculated are on this site.

Moos - it is pretty unlikely for us to overtake Liverpool for next season. They still have a game in hand against PSV which I don't see them losing.

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It's all a load of old bollox anyway. We've been Champions of England for 2 years running and wasn't even seeded this year, having qualified from the group stage almost every time we've played in the competition. There's only so far UEFA can go to keep shutting the door in our face, it's the old pal's act, Dein being at Arsenal may have somethin to do with their seedings, although they were runners up last year.

But if they can't stop us from joining their gang, and it does us a favour then I don't mind, Utd have done it for years!

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  • 3 weeks later...

Thanks to our win I think we are now guaranteed to be seeded in the top eight for next season.

We've moved up to equal 7th with the Mancs in the seedings, guaranteeing us an easier draw next season:link

Now that we've achieved that I almost feel a little dissapointed. We've always had a harder draw than those seeded in the top 8, but then we've also had a much more interesting group stage as a result.

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We have now moved into joint 7th, so we will be in the top seeds next season

A C Milan 128.572

Barcelona 118.996

Liverpool 109.494

Inter 107.572

Arsenal 104.494

Real Madrid 103.996

Chelsea & MU 99.494

and this season we are 2nd Ranking team after Espanyol 30.8925 Chelsea 28.3625

We are also 2nd in the Ranking for the 2007/2008 behind A C Milan on 97.316 Chelsea 93.974 as we will drop our worst season 2002/3

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In that case I would say that this seeding is even more pertinent then.. Just a reminder, I am not sure where I got this from I am sure it was this site ? (Don?t want to be accused of plagiarism!)

Last season after the draw in Barcelona Jose was asked what needed to happen to improve Chelsea?s chances of winning the Champions League. His reply was blunt: turn G14 into G15. When asked to explain further Mourinho refused to elaborate and walked away. So who exactly are G14? And why does Jose want them to become G15?

In the 1991/1992 season the European Cup took the first steps toward becoming the Champions League. Group stages were introduced to what had always been a straightforward knockout competition. Bizarrely the knockout rounds were played first, followed by the now familiar mini leagues. This was subsequently changed, after complaints that the absence of quarter and semi finals diluted the excitement.

The difference between then and now is nicely illustrated by Nottingham Forest. In their 1978/79 European Cup winning campaign Forest played a total of nine games, including the final. They eliminated Liverpool, AEK Athens, Grasshoppers of Zurich, and FC Koln ? all over two legs ? before beating Malmo, 1-0 in the final. With respect (and I am not having any kind of dig at Forest here) how many viewers across Europe would sit their fat arse down to watch Forest v Grasshoppers, or even Forest v Malmo?

This was the primary reason the format was changed; there weren?t enough games and certainly not enough mouth-watering fixtures for the pan-European TV audience. Television, the new hand feeding football, wanted the competition bigger and better. They wanted the big clubs to survive until they were the only ones standing. Then they would play off against each other in bumper fixtures, watched on TV by every football fan in Europe

What TV and these elite clubs wanted was more Milan v Barcelona, less Forest v Grasshoppers. That would maximise revenue, for everyone involved. The change was actively sought by Europe?s leading clubs, who aggressively lobbied UEFA. Predictably, in the face of a tempting cash offer, UEFA capitulated. Europe?s premier club competition, designed, as a knockout challenge between title winners only, was to become a money spinning TV league.

That group of Europe?s top clubs, who had successfully bullied UEFA, would ultimately cement their relationship and become G14. The mission statement in their manifesto is clear enough: ?To promote co-operation and good relations between G14 and FIFA, UEFA and any other sporting institutions and/or professional football clubs, paying special attention to negotiating the format, administration and operation of the club competitions in which the member clubs are involved.? In other words, to control the Champions League.

A second idea was then introduced, one which would expand the competition even further. The problem was that some countries had more than one ?big? club, while others had none; Grasshoppers, Malmo, Bruges, with respect, are not global audience pullers. So UEFA allowed teams who had finished as low as fourth in their respective leagues into the so-called ?Champions? League. Barcelona and Real Madrid couldn?t both win the Spanish title every season, and similar situations existed in England, Italy and Germany ? all valuable TV markets.

So the modern Champions League was born, specifically designed for television and artificially inflated to ensure every ?big? club participated, every season. With a not so hidden agenda of funnelling as much cash as possible into the coffers of the members of G14. The dominance this cash has helped G14 clubs to achieve is mind blowing. In fact it is little short of absolute.

Since the league format was introduced all 14 Champions League finals have been won by clubs who are members of G14. In fact only two non G14 clubs have even reached the final since the changes were made; Monaco who were thrashed in the 2004 decider and Sampdoria who lost the first one back in 1992. Every other final has been exclusively between G14 clubs. Impressed? It gets better; the effect on domestic leagues is truly unbelievable.

Since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, the same year the European Cup format was adjusted, G14 clubs have failed to win the English title only twice; Chelsea and Blackburn Rovers, both fuelled by independent wealth, were the party poopers.

Over the same fourteen year span in Spain only two non G14 clubs won La Liga: Atletico Madrid and Deportivo La Coruna. In Italy?s Serie A the picture is identical; in the last 14 years only the Roman clubs, Lazio and Roma, have managed to steal the title away from G14, once each. Both effectively bankrupting themselves in the process.

Put into perspective; since the Champions League changed format the titles in England, Italy and Spain have been won by G14 clubs 36 times out of a possible 42. In fact just six G14 clubs shared 34 of those 36 titles between them. Add this to the record of G14 clubs in the Champions League over the same period, a perfect 14 out of 14. Now that?s what I call dominance.

This season a G14 club will win the title in Spain, same in Italy, same in France, same in Germany, same in the Champions League. In fact the only non G14 club who might win a major European title is, well, you guessed it. Yet some claim it is Chelsea who are making the game ?uncompetitive?. Of course we are. Everything was just hunky dory before Roman arrived. Returning to reality, why does Mourinho want G14 to become G15, and who exactly are G14?

G14, ironically, was originally formed with 14 members but 4 more were added in 2002, including Arsenal. So really they are G18, but I guess G14 has a better ring to it. The prime movers and shakers are Milan, Juventus, Bayern Munich, Manchester United, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Liverpool and Arsenal. There are 9 other members but the aforementioned 9 are the ones who wear the trousers. And let me assure you these are expensive trousers.

If you look at when football first became a real money pot, and television?s bitch, back in the early nineties, you?ll see a clear break from the past. Leagues which had been won by a multitude of teams suddenly became the preserve of a just a handful of elite clubs. Older fans will remember a time when second division teams won the FA Cup, when the league title was won by a different club every year. When the European Cup was won by teams like Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Steaua Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade.

Those days are long gone, what killed them off and changed football forever was money, television and G14. We are now indisputably in an era where financial muscle is the single most important factor in determining if a club will be successful. About 14 years ago a line was drawn in the sand; if you were in the elite at the time you were virtually guaranteed to stay there. If you were not already part of the elite then tough, you needed a miracle, an extraordinary amount of luck or possibly a Russian billionaire in order to compete.

Obviously I?d like to sell you the Rom-antic notion that Chelsea are now crusading on behalf of football against G14, sadly we are not. We applied to join G14 before the oil had dried Roman?s first down payment. Shame on us, really. However the club did not secure the necessary votes; Manchester United, Arsenal and Barcelona were three who objected ? I believe you need unanimous agreement to join. Though oddly enough Liverpool supported Chelsea?s application.

Why Mourinho feels we need to be part of G14 in order to improve our chances of winning the Champions League is another matter. There are rumours that G14 clubs have an informal agreement not to sell their star players to anyone but each other. On known evidence that doesn?t seem to be true, we bought Makelele from Madrid for example. To counter that we haven?t bought a genuine mega star in his prime, no Ronaldinho, Henry or Shevchenko. But my view is that there are only a handful of players in that bracket, so it?s more likely to be lack of supply than conspiracy.

The other rumour, which I believe is mainly paranoia, is that G14 has an influence over which referees are appointed to Champions League games. I suspect Mourinho was unhappy with the apponitment of Merk for the Barcelona game, a referee known to be whistle happy. I?m guessing Mourinho was implying a referee designed to slow down the game was deliberately choosen, as this would favour the team defending a lead. Merk had previously controlled a Porto game when Mourinho was in charge there, and he complained at the time that Merk had destroyed the game by whistling incessantly. I don?t believe that at all, despite Merk giving a foul every 90 seconds, and I wish Jose would sometimes accept that we can be beaten without the aid of a global, anti-Chelsea, conspiracy.

What I do believe is that it is desperately unhealthy (to put it politely) for a handful of powerful clubs to exercise so much influence, in particular over the Champions League and how it is organised. The fact that this influence enables these clubs to utterly dominate the major European leagues is scandalous. Despite what opposition supporters think of us, and our new found wealth, I would prefer it if you didn?t need the arrival of a billionaire in order to compete. My allegiance to Chelsea aside, I would love to see a club like Bolton, or Wigan or even (God forgive me) West Ham win the league. The chances of it happening? Who to blame?

You can figure out both answers yourself.

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We don't need to be in the G14.

They are a lobby group who serve the common interests of the elite clubs. Their main interest is the format of the champions league, and the current seeding system is one of their main achievements. By using the last five years performance they guarantee they (and now us as well) will get a relatively easy draw and are so more likely to progress to the stages of the competition where they can win the big money.

The thing is that, like it or not we are now an elite club as well. They can't really lobby for a decision that benefits them without it also benefitting us as well. The seeding system is one example. I still believe it is unfair and a rort, but they made the rules and it might have taken us four years but now their system is working for us just as much as it works for them. Similarly the current main item of their agenda probably benefits us more than any other club: They are trying to sue FIFA to get compensation for when injuries to clubs players while on international duty. We've got more internationals than anyone so we are more likely to benefit than anyone else.

But we've outmanouvered the G14. They are a lobby group who seek to influence UEFA. That is fine, but we've managed to get Peter Kenyon a seat at the table of the UEFA committee that actually makes the decisions. The G14 can lobby all they like to try to influence the vote, but we are at the table actually making the vote. Take that Madrid, Juventus, United, Liverpool and Arsenal!!!

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So... what happens to the seedings if we draw against Liverpool and progress to the final?

Do we then make top 8 if United get there too or not?

We are already joint 7th so if we progress to & win the CL we will finish higher!!!!!!!!!!!

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Liverpool who have not won their domestic league for over 20 years are seeded above the English Champions for 2 consecutive years!

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That's right. And new rules were made especially for L*v*rp**l to be allowed to take part in a competition for which they had not qualified. Just as rules were bent for L*v*rp**l to be allowed to sign Mascherano from West Ham. But then they're a special case aren't they. B*st*rds.

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  • 4 weeks later...
The current Uefa Club Coefficient Rankings Top 32

1AC Milan; 2 Barcelona; 3 Liverpool; 4 Inter Milan; 5 Arsenal; 6 Real Madrid; 7 Chelsea, Manchester United.

9 Valencia; 10 Lyon; 11 Newcastle; 12 Juventus; 13 Porto; 14 Seville; 15 PSV Eindhoven; 16 AS Roma.

17 Villareal; 18 Bayern Munich; 19 Benfica; 20 Ajax; 21 AZ Alkmaar; 22 Werder Bremen; 23 Espanyol; 24 Celtic.

25 Parma; 26 Auxerre; 27 Deportivo La Coru?a; 28 Schalke '04; 29 Monaco; 30 Stuttgart; 31 Middlesbrough; 32 Panathinaikos.

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All this seeding lark........what the f**k does it matter??

It dont really matter to supporters,being draw'n against teams in a group stage is a Lottery.

Its NEVER bothered me!

The group stage these days has to be a formality to Chelsea....

...If we dont get through the group stage thats not good enough for the Board.

Please tell me why would it matter to you??

Why would you not want to play at least one decent side in the group stage??

How can we compared to Manure USA in Europe when we've never been to a Champions League Final??

How many times have those scum-bags missed out on CL qaulification since the new CL format was introduced???

This up coming season is only are 6th ever appearance in the Champions League for Chelsea.

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It's official - we will be seeded for the first time. Given the past two seasons I'm not sure it really helps but hey ho, at least we're classified as being one of the top 8 teams in Europe.

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The teams going into the respective pots for next season are as follows:

(note: teams in pots 3 and 4 need to qualify. The following tables assume that the higher ranked teams do qualify. Of course if one of those lesser ranked teams can cause an upset then they'll take the place of whoever they beat. I don't think that draw has been made yet, but there are some teams capable of upsetting one of the seeded teams: Toulouse, Fenerbache, Sparta Praha, Spartak Moscow, AEK Athens.

There will be eight groups of four teams, with one team in each group to come from each pot.

Pot 1

Milan

Barcelona

Liverpool

Inter

Arsenal

Madrid

Chelsea

United

Pot 2

Valencia

Lyon

Porto

Sevilla

PSV

Roma

Benfica

Ajax

Pot 3

Werder Bremen

Celtic

Schalke

Stuttgart

Steaua Bucuresti

CSKA Moscow

Sporting Lisbon

Lazio

Pot 4

Marseille

Rangers

Shakhtar Donetsk

Besiktas

Olympiakos

Anderlecht

Diname Kiev

Levski Sophia

All the detail here

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