16 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

He was played out wide or up front as a lone 9. Don't remember one time he was played in his preferred 2nd striker position alongside someone else.

He was played in a system that built so slowly, sideways, backwards, recycled passing. Dont remember many times he was played in a team that moved the ball forward progressively and at pace. It is all slow and boring - the same reason you (and I....and many others) have been critical of Maresca.

Despite being played out of position, he still got 23 goal contributions over 2842 mins for us - a goal every 123 mins.

As you so often like to point out how Jackson's goals are all meaningless or against awful opposition, how can you then come on here and brag about Nkunku's goal contributions like they weren't all against Shamrock Rovers and FC Noah?

24 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

As you so often like to point out how Jackson's goals are all meaningless or against awful opposition, how can you then come on here and brag about Nkunku's goal contributions like they weren't all against Shamrock Rovers and FC Noah?

Goals against Wolves, Brighton (winning goal), Liverpool, Bournemouth (winning goal), Southampton and Benfica, suggest they weren't all against Shamrock or Noah.

Nkunku (injury, attitude, farmers league merchant) & Jackson (Braindead, lack of any semblance of ability, Moron) are both horsesh*t and we’ve replaced them Delap & JP who aren’t horsesh*t.

Let’s stop living in the past and live in the now guys, neither of these 2 oxygen thieves gets near our starting XI this season (hopefully cos they’re both sold)

Nkunku v Jackson...

12 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Goals against Wolves, Brighton (winning goal), Liverpool, Bournemouth (winning goal), Southampton and Benfica, suggest they weren't all against Shamrock or Noah.

Wolves was in 2023 and we lost the game.

Brighton - Scored to make the game 2-0. A winning goal would be a goal to put us ahead in the game. By this logic, Palmer also scored the winning goal in that game. Also two season ago.

Liverpool we lost 4-1 and was 2 seasons ago.

You can have Bournemouth, that's one goal in two years.

Southampton are arguably the worst premier league side we've seen since Derby. 12 points in the entire season, they're arguably worse than Shamrock and NOAH.

Benfica he scored once in a 4-1 win. KDH also scored, says a lot really...

So to summarise, he has a single meaningful goal in 2 years at the club. World class.

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Brighton - Scored to make the game 2-0. A winning goal would be a goal to put us ahead in the game. By this logic, Palmer also scored the winning goal in that game. Also two season ago.

Liverpool we lost 4-1 and was 2 seasons ago.

You can have Bournemouth, that's one goal in two years.

Southampton are arguably the worst premier league side we've seen since Derby. 12 points in the entire season, they're arguably worse than Shamrock and NOAH.

Benfica he scored once in a 4-1 win. KDH also scored, says a lot really...

So to summarise, he has a single meaningful goal in 2 years at the club. World class.

arguing that the second goal in a 2v1 win isn't the winning goal - tells it all.

I have already said he has not been good for us. I agree he hasn't been world class for us. My argument is that when he is played in position and a system that suits - he is world class.

12 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

arguing that the second goal in a 2v1 win isn't the winning goal - tells it all.

I have already said he has not been good for us. I agree he hasn't been world class for us. My argument is that when he is played in position and a system that suits - he is world class.

Its a winning goal the same way Palmer's first in the game is a winning goal. He made the game 2-0.

If he was world class, you'd think teams would be lining up for him. We can't even cut our losses.

13 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Its a winning goal the same way Palmer's first in the game is a winning goal. He made the game 2-0.

If he was world class, you'd think teams would be lining up for him. We can't even cut our losses.

palmers was an important opening goal. Nkunku - who scored the 2nd in a 2v1 win, was the winning goal. Such an odd thing to argue about!

43 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

palmers was an important opening goal. Nkunku - who scored the 2nd in a 2v1 win, was the winning goal. Such an odd thing to argue about!

the winning goal would be the goal that takes you clear. If we won 5-1 and conceded at the end, would the winning goal be the second goal or the fifth goal by your logic?

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

the winning goal would be the goal that takes you clear. If we won 5-1 and conceded at the end, would the winning goal be the second goal or the fifth goal by your logic?

disagree. So does AI

8 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

disagree. So does AI

Chat GPT pmsl okay Evissy.

@nonotnowjim just asked Grok about you, scary how accurate these AI models are getting!

3 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Chat GPT pmsl okay Evissy.

Sofascore or Opta more acceptable to you?

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Just now, nonotnowjim said:

Sofascore more acceptable to you?

So Palmer's goal was the winning goal, as that's the one that made the difference?

Just now, Ukraine Bolt said:

So Palmer's goal was the winning goal, as that's the one that made the difference?

No - in a 2v1 win it would be the 2nd goal we scored.

You are not stupid. Stop acting it

5 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

No - in a 2v1 win it would be the 2nd goal we scored.

You are not stupid. Stop acting it

Without Palmer's goal the scoreline is 0-0. Without Palmer's goal at the end of the match, it is 1-1.

Palmer scored to put us ahead, at no point in the game did Nkunku's goal put us ahead.

If the match was 1-1, then Nkunku scored, that would be the winning goal.

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13 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

disagree. So does AI

No it does not. It literally says "the goal that ultimately puts the winning team ahead in the final scoreline - the goal that gives them a lead they never lose."

Scorers vs. Brighton, May 2024:

Palmer 34'

Nkunku 64'

Welbeck 97' (!)

Palmer's goal put us ahead and gave us the lead we never lost. Unless we're talking about a different Brighton game that we also won 2-1... If we switch around Nkunku and Welbeck's goals, then Nkunku's becomes the winning goal. It's a pointless argument anyway.

2 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Without Palmer's goal the scoreline is 0-0. Without Palmer's goal at the end of the match, it is 1-1.

Palmer scored to put us ahead, at no point in the game did Nkunku's goal put us ahead.

If the match was 1-1, then Nkunku scored, that would be the winning goal.

Well - that may be your flawed logic - but it is not how most people see it - or Opta.

2 minutes ago, bluedave said:

No it does not. It literally says "the goal that ultimately puts the winning team ahead in the final scoreline - the goal that gives them a lead they never lose."

Scorers vs. Brighton, May 2024:

Palmer 34'

Nkunku 64'

Welbeck 97' (!)

Palmer's goal put us ahead and gave us the lead we never lost. Unless we're talking about a different Brighton game that we also won 2-1... If we switch around Nkunku and Welbeck's goals, then Nkunku's becomes the winning goal. It's a pointless argument anyway.

Nkunku's goal was the goal that gave us a lead we didn't lose. Without it, we lose the lead.

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

Well - that may be your flawed logic - but it is not how most people see it - or Opta.

If a player shoots off target and the keeper saves it, it also registers it as a shot on target for the player by Opta.

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2 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Nkunku's goal was the goal that gave us a lead we didn't lose. Without it, we lose the lead.

Come on mate, you're not this stupid. Stop acting like it.

1 minute ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Come on mate, you're not this stupid. Stop acting like it.

palmer scored the opener. Without Nkunku's winning goal, the score is 1v1. The lead palmer gave us would have been lost.

The 2nd goal, in a 2v1 win is the winning goal. Opta agrees.

13 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

palmer scored the opener. Without Nkunku's winning goal, the score is 1v1. The lead palmer gave us would have been lost.

The 2nd goal, in a 2v1 win is the winning goal. Opta agrees.

"the goal that gives them a lead they never lose."

Please tell me when we lost the lead? By your logic, without Palmer's goal we draw 1-1. Or even win 1-0 as Welbeck wouldn't have had the same chance had Nkunku not scored. Palmer scored the winner, hope this helps.

This has been explained to you, you're just too stubborn to understand because you want to cling to the opinion that in two entire years the player you think is world class has two meaningful goals to their name and not just one.

Nkunku is not world class in any system. At most he’s just a very good player.

19 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

"the goal that gives them a lead they never lose."

Please tell me when we lost the lead? By your logic, without Palmer's goal we draw 1-1. Or even win 1-0 as Welbeck wouldn't have had the same chance had Nkunku not scored. Palmer scored the winner, hope this helps.

This has been explained to you, you're just too stubborn to understand because you want to cling to the opinion that in two entire years the player you think is world class has two meaningful goals to their name and not just one.

The lead wasn't lost - because of Nkunku's goal. Fact. Take off Nkunkus goal - and it's 1v1.

Chris here has not been world class. He has been mostly rubbish - particularly 2nd half of last season when he had checked out.

Played in the right system and position, he is class. As proven When winning player of the season and top scorer across 2 seasons for red bull