5 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Save your laugh until we are out of 11th buddy!

Funny how Arsenal and City wanted so called sh*t players innit. But ha ha ha, perhaps our midfield will really knuckle down and sneak into the top half before the seasons over! 

And if you want to go down that route, Enzo walks in to the lineup of the world cup winners as probably the 3rd name on the teamshet.

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Enzo in this awful Chelsea side is registering double the xA than world class Jorginho was registering in the 2020/21 CL Chelsea side. Context is important. 

Fantastic! What does the xA trophy look like? Is it somewhat similar to UEFA Player of the Year or?

Just now, OriginalS said:

Fantastic! What does the xA trophy look like? Is it somewhat similar to UEFA Player of the Year or?

Its a better barometer for creativity than assists, because it's not relying on another player doing their job for it to go on record.

Tuchel himself said about how good those type of underlying metrics are btw.

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

Its a better barometer for creativity than assists, because it's not relying on another player doing their job for it to go on record.

Tuchel himself said about how good those type of underlying metrics are btw.

Ok. so I checked it. In xA he's 99th in the Premier League this season. And thats after having been released offensively in midfield all season.

If anything you guys just confirmed he's bang average.

 

28 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I have absolutely no problem with him being hesitant passing to Sterling in that situation as he'd just f**ked up a 1v1 two minutes before. Anyone actively avoiding giving the ball to Sterling gets kudos. 

I get what you're saying but come on, you still have to play a simple pass like that, especially in a final of all places.

Love Enzo, but he frustrated the f**k out of me yesterday. 

14 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Enzo in this awful Chelsea side is registering double the xA than world class Jorginho was registering in the 2020/21 CL Chelsea side. Context is important. 

Enzo also has 20x higher non-penalty xG than Jorginho from that year. 

Want to highlight anything else completely irrelevant?? 

What does this gibberish mean? I left Algebra behind at school. 

7 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

What does this gibberish mean? I left Algebra behind at school. 

It's quite the prestigious trophy mate.

18 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Fantastic! What does the xA trophy look like? Is it somewhat similar to UEFA Player of the Year or?

xA is a perfect measuring stick to see what someone is offering a team, you're the one that tried to bring up the simplistic assists stat to point score. 

By your own logic again I offer you Enzo's FIFA World Cup Young Player Award that was 2 years more recent in a bigger competition. 

Just now, RIP Mourinho said:

xA is a perfect measuring stick to see what someone is offering a team, you're the one that tried to bring up the simplistic assists stat to point score. 

By your own logic again I offer you Enzo's FIFA World Cup Young Player Award that was 2 years more recent in a bigger competition. 

Ok, is it the case he's 99th in the Premier League for xA this season? Because thats utterly sh*t for an attacking midfielder and way worse than I initially thought!

 

17 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Ok. so I checked it. In xA he's 99th in the Premier League this season. And thats after having been released offensively in midfield all season.

If anything you guys just confirmed he's bang average.

 

So if he's bang average with his 0.14 xA this season then i guess Jorginho was absolutely dog sh*t in 2020/21 with his 0.07 xA? 

Your argument here is that Jorginho is better, not about whether Enzo is good enough. Stop changing the goal posts.

18 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

What does this gibberish mean? I left Algebra behind at school. 

Expected assists (xA) measures the likelihood that a completed pass will become a goal assist. It considers several factors, including the type of pass and end point and length of pass. Adding up a player or team's expected assists gives us an indication of how many assists a player or team should have had, based on their build up and attacking play.

4 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Ok, is it the case he's 99th in the Premier League for xA this season? Because thats utterly sh*t for an attacking midfielder and way worse than I initially thought!

 

See above comment. You're making a completely different argument here. 

Jorginho is w**k.

It's mad to me how we downplay Jorginho and Kovas contribution. They both won European cups with us and Jorginho even won the uefa player of the year award.

The current crop of players are absolutley no where near that standard right now, not even close.

We're currently 11th and last season they finished 12th and we were fighting on all fronts before we signed all these younger "talented" players. It doesn't matter if you think they are potentially better than them, right now they are no where near as good and there's a very good chance a few of them won't even reach that level.

Enzo has done f**k all in a Chelsea shirt compared to Jorginho.

 

 

7 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So if he's bang average with his 0.14 xA this season then i guess Jorginho was absolutely dog sh*t in 2020/21 with his 0.07 xA? 

Your argument here is that Jorginho is better, not about whether Enzo is good enough. Stop changing the goal posts.

Defensive midfielder vs attacking midfielder.

Thanks for the xA tip though. Creative machine Enzo number 99 in the league, what a player! 🤣

8 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Defensive midfielder vs attacking midfielder.

Thanks for the xA tip though. Creative machine Enzo number 99 in the league, what a player! 🤣

He's literally played as a deep lying midfielder under every manager until Pochettino arrived and has been giving him this weird auxiliary winger role.

18 minutes ago, Sheva said:

It's mad to me how we downplay Jorginho and Kovas contribution. They both won European cups with us and Jorginho even won the uefa player of the year award.

The current crop of players are absolutley no where near that standard right now, not even close.

We're currently 11th and last season they finished 12th and we were fighting on all fronts before we signed all these younger "talented" players. It doesn't matter if you think they are potentially better than them, right now they are no where near as good and there's a very good chance a few of them won't even reach that level.

I mean ofcourse Enzo hasn't matched up to their history at the club but that's not entirely accurate.

Half of the 12th place season was done with Jorgi, Kova and the bulk of the 21/22 squad still here.

33 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So if he's bang average with his 0.14 xA this season then i guess Jorginho was absolutely dog sh*t in 2020/21 with his 0.07 xA? 

Your argument here is that Jorginho is better, not about whether Enzo is good enough. Stop changing the goal posts.

You are a bit sneaky aren't you. I had to actually check it out now and for 18/19, 19/20, 21/22 Jorginho outperformed Enzo even on xA. You digged up the one season he didn't and brought it forward but generally he had better numbers than Enzo currently has

I don't think he's sh*t but you guys really must do as he's not even reached the creative levels of Jorgi 🤣

 😀 @Argo

Edited February 26, 20242 yr by OriginalS

7 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

You are a bit sneaky aren't you. I had to actually check it out now and for 18/19, 19/20, 21/22 Jorginho outperformed Enzo even on xA. You digged up the one season he didn't and brought it forward but generally he had better numbers than Enzo currently has

I don't think he's sh*t but you guys really must do as he's not even reached the creative levels of Jorgi 🤣

 😀 @Argo

I mean you've obviously have forgot my posting history if you think I was a big critic of Jorginho, next you're be telling me I was Kepa's number one fan...

28 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Defensive midfielder vs attacking midfielder.

Thanks for the xA tip though. Creative machine Enzo number 99 in the league, what a player! 🤣

attacking midfielder Enzo:

defensive midfielder Jorginho:

How strange, it looks like Enzo plays deeper than J5 most of the time. 

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

attacking midfielder Enzo:

defensive midfielder Jorginho:

How strange, it looks like Enzo plays deeper than J5 most of the time. 

That's good, I hope he becomes as creative as Jorginho one day! 🤞

12 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

You are a bit sneaky aren't you. I had to actually check it out now and for 18/19, 19/20, 21/22 Jorginho outperformed Enzo even on xA. You digged up the one season he didn't and brought it forward but generally he had better numbers than Enzo currently has

I don't think he's sh*t but you guys really must do as he's not even reached the creative levels of Jorgi 🤣

 😀 @Argo

I used his stats from the year he won UEFA POTY that you tried to use as an accolade for him being better. 

You're also incorrect too.

I've highlighted the relevant column for you for ease. 

So no, i'm not a 'bit sneaky' i just know how to read.  

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

That's good, I hope he becomes as creative as Jorginho one day! 🤞

He's already more creative, have you read any of this thread?

@ forum mods, can we have an IQ test for people when they create accounts? 

52 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Expected assists (xA) measures the likelihood that a completed pass will become a goal assist. It considers several factors, including the type of pass and end point and length of pass. Adding up a player or team's expected assists gives us an indication of how many assists a player or team should have had, based on their build up and attacking play.

Can I use the simple metric of a player who passed the ball to the player who scored? 

Honestly, sounds over complicated. Ball in net = goal. Player who passed ball to player who scored = assist. I think anything more than that and its hocus pokus stuff. 

It's stats but not as we know it! 🙂 

4 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Can I use the simple metric of a player who passed the ball to the player who scored? 

Honestly, sounds over complicated. Ball in net = goal. Player who passed ball to player who scored = assist. I think anything more than that and its hocus pokus stuff. 

It's stats but not as we know it! 🙂 

Whoever passed the ball to Hazard before he scored his solo goals at Anfield got an "assist".

Until the term is redefined it's good for fantasy football and that's about it.