41 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

@SydneyChelsea

Don’t grade 3 tears typically require surgery?

is this part where we spend a few years ruining a young kids career?

2 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

is this part where we spend a few years ruining a young kids career?

In fairness we don't have access to all the medical information.

It's always in the clubs best interest to push surgery regardless even when it's not always required.

There just seems to be a lot going on in the background with him during his first year. Still can’t wrap my head around him going back to Brazil in business end of the season for treatment, and coming back with 3 games to go. There seems to be some confusion with some suggesting he went back to try and make the Brazilian World Cup squad. Is he fit or is he not?

On 13/05/2026 at 18:42, markpitts said:

My thinking here is if Palmer is profiled long term as a RW by the next manager, we might as well sell Estevao before the window closes. The two of them can’t share the same position.

I also feel a top club in the PL needs a ball carrier on one wing, and a player who attacks the space on the other wing due to the low blocks. Doku is probably the best ball carrier in the PL, and we all saw what damage Ngumoha could do last weekend. The closest we have to that profile is Estevao, but he is presently inferior to the aforementioned two. He needs to be a nailed on first team player if we are a serious club, which shifts Palmer to the “10”. I also don’t want to see Enzo masquerading as a “10” next season if he stays, and would rather move him back to the position we paid €115m for.

Estevao is 18 and he can't even play back to back game (this is pre hammy injury). There is really nothing to talk about.

5 hours ago, markpitts said:

There just seems to be a lot going on in the background with him during his first year. Still can’t wrap my head around him going back to Brazil in business end of the season for treatment, and coming back with 3 games to go. There seems to be some confusion with some suggesting he went back to try and make the Brazilian World Cup squad. Is he fit or is he not?

Well WC is out of the question—he wasn't on the prelist already given to FIFA.

Speaking of which, some rumor about either JP or Andrey (maybe even both) may miss the final cut too. Apparently they haven't been too impressed with either player's recent form.

Edited May 16May 16 by acaeus

10 hours ago, markpitts said:

There just seems to be a lot going on in the background with him during his first year. Still can’t wrap my head around him going back to Brazil in business end of the season for treatment, and coming back with 3 games to go. There seems to be some confusion with some suggesting he went back to try and make the Brazilian World Cup squad. Is he fit or is he not?

Not. He has a Grade 4 hamstring injury. That's a complete rupture or tear.

10 hours ago, markpitts said:

There just seems to be a lot going on in the background with him during his first year.

Like what?

Just now, dkw said:

Like what?

I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for asking, I was too shy.

47 minutes ago, dermott said:

I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for asking, I was too shy.

I cant remember any drama around him at all, hes had some injuries and that's it. Its like hes trying to build some non existent drama about him. Very odd.

10 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

@SydneyChelsea

Don’t grade 3 tears typically require surgery?

On 15/05/2026 at 21:43, Sconnie Blue said:

@SydneyChelsea

Don’t grade 3 tears typically require surgery?

Only full avulsion requires surgery since you have to physically reconnect the muscle. Same as if there's serious tendon damage.

Anything else would heal in time. The issue is usually whether the player and club are willing to take that time and/or commit to a program for recovery. As you and I are undoubtedly finding out these days, a poorly rehabbed hamstring is a recipe for everything else.

@markpitts wheres all this a "lot going on in the background with him during his first year" stuff then?

On 15/05/2026 at 12:43, Sconnie Blue said:

@SydneyChelsea

Don’t grade 3 tears typically require surgery?

Depends if the tendon has completely detached from the bone.

I think he'll flourish under Alonso, the same way Wirtz did as one of the 10's in the half space.

15 hours ago, dkw said:

@markpitts wheres all this a "lot going on in the background with him during his first year" stuff then?

I know there was a death in the family, did he lose his grandfather?

The boy went home for his funeral I believe….. not gonna hold that against him.

23 hours ago, C3blue said:

I know there was a death in the family, did he lose his grandfather?

The boy went home for his funeral I believe….. not gonna hold that against him.

Yeah I wouldnt say that was an issue, no idea what @markpitts is talking about, and his refusal to tell us speaks volumes.

17 minutes ago, dkw said:

Yeah I wouldnt say that was an issue, no idea what @markpitts is talking about, and his refusal to tell us speaks volumes.

😂.. wasn’t talking about that. I am a big fan of Estevao, I just don’t think we are the right club for his talent. It’s more about going all the way back to Brazil for rehab. If every time a player got injured they decided to go back to their home country for rehab, we might be in trouble. I am interested in what the Brazilian fan that posts often on here feels the general sentiment is amongst Brazilian fans a year into his move.

7 minutes ago, markpitts said:

😂.. wasn’t talking about that. I am a big fan of Estevao, I just don’t think we are the right club for his talent. It’s more about going all the way back to Brazil for rehab. If every time a player got injured they decided to go back to their home country for rehab, we might be in trouble. I am interested in what the Brazilian fan that posts often on here feels the general sentiment is amongst Brazilian fans a year into his move.

You think he just went back on his own, just bought a ticket and buggered off without the club knowing? Dont be so ridiculous.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

You think he just went back on his own, just bought a ticket and buggered off without the club knowing? Dont be so ridiculous.

I never said that. I just think it’s weird travelling round the world for rehab when you have world class facilities at your employer. I feel he went to Brazil to try and see if the Brazilian NT medics might OK him making the World Cup squad.

4 minutes ago, markpitts said:

I never said that. I just think it’s weird travelling round the world for rehab when you have world class facilities at your employer. I feel he went to Brazil to try and see if the Brazilian NT medics might OK him making the World Cup squad.

With a grade 4 hamstring injury? Never likely. Impossible, in fact. Chelsea are supervising the rehab, they have sent someone to oversee things. He might as well enjoy himself with family and friends at the same time.

15 hours ago, dermott said:

With a grade 4 hamstring injury? Never likely. Impossible, in fact. Chelsea are supervising the rehab, they have sent someone to oversee things. He might as well enjoy himself with family and friends at the same time.

16 hours ago, markpitts said:

I never said that. I just think it’s weird travelling round the world for rehab when you have world class facilities at your employer. I feel he went to Brazil to try and see if the Brazilian NT medics might OK him making the World Cup squad.

I am not sure there is a story here.

He has grade 4, he probably won't even be back for the start of next season.

Flying to Brazil is fine, not sure you can do any treatment/rehab straight away after injury.

I just read the below - assuming it is a real quote, this is very encouraging

The Standard

Estevao issues injury update as Chelsea star eyes comebac...

Teenager was ruled out of World Cup with a torn hamstring

"I had an injury where I tore 80 per cent of my hamstring bicep femoris,” he explained.

“The Chelsea doctors wanted me to have surgery and even the Chelsea owner said he wanted me to have surgery.

“Two weeks ago, I had a second MRI scan, and the doctor asked if I was in pain or feeling anything.

“I said: 'No, doctor, I'm fine, I think I could even play already.'

“He said: 'Yeah, it really shows.' He showed me the exam image and said he couldn't see any more of the injury.

“He said he doesn't know what happened, because in the timeframe we're in, it shouldn't be that well-structured like it is."

7 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

I just read the below - assuming it is a real quote, this is very encouraging

The Standard

Estevao issues injury update as Chelsea star eyes comebac...

Teenager was ruled out of World Cup with a torn hamstring

"I had an injury where I tore 80 per cent of my hamstring bicep femoris,” he explained.

“The Chelsea doctors wanted me to have surgery and even the Chelsea owner said he wanted me to have surgery.

“Two weeks ago, I had a second MRI scan, and the doctor asked if I was in pain or feeling anything.

“I said: 'No, doctor, I'm fine, I think I could even play already.'

“He said: 'Yeah, it really shows.' He showed me the exam image and said he couldn't see any more of the injury.

“He said he doesn't know what happened, because in the timeframe we're in, it shouldn't be that well-structured like it is."

Could also be hearsay and Estevao, being as young as he is, misinterpreted the doctor. Hard to believe that 80% of the hamstring which was a complete tear, all of a sudden regenerate within 2 weeks.

He's likely showed some progress already, and good thing for his is that he has all summer for a proper rehabilitation.

Edited June 5Jun 5 by Sconnie Blue

Really hope this lad has a stellar season for us next year. Fingers crossed a summer off and a holiday see's him raring to go.

27 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Could also be hearsay and Estevao, being as young as he is, misinterpreted the doctor. Hard to believe that 80% of the hamstring which was a complete tear, all of a sudden regenerate within 2 weeks.

He's likely showed some progress already, and good thing for his is that he has all summer for a proper rehabilitation.

You know as well as I do that these can be famous last words in your 30s 😂

'No, doctor, I'm fine, I think I could even play already.'

38 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

You know as well as I do that these can be famous last words in your 30s 😂

Not sure if you've seen the American film Friday Night Lights, but it just screams Booby Miles.

Tore his ACL, didn't want to believe it, misinterpreted his doctor, went on to play and permanently destroyed his knee.