Top 4 with a lot of new players (minus Levi) and Champions League which will affect the Prem in a negative way most likely. If we get that I think in terms of Enzo he gets another season. I think this season will be tricky in many ways and we'll need one or two of those "10 game" runs where we win all matches.

On Premier League itself I think its value with players is lower than with English fans. At least with players that are in top teams who see them being at the top of the footballing world. I see football being more of a "cups sport" in the future. World is much more short term world these days. CWC is just another example of that. Super League another. Not saying the league will cease to excist but more emphasis will be on these cup competitions.

Anything less than winning the title isn’t good enough.

We’re at risk of becoming Arsenal at this rate, 6 years of Arteta and 0 PL’s to show for it.

We can’t just keep going ‘Top 4’ oooh make a challenge and he can have another season.

No, this is Chelsea, it’s winning or nothing. f**king beta mentality setting into this fanbase it’s disturbing.

17 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Anything less than winning the title isn’t good enough.

We’re at risk of becoming Arsenal at this rate, 6 years of Arteta and 0 PL’s to show for it.

We can’t just keep going ‘Top 4’ oooh make a challenge and he can have another season.

No, this is Chelsea, it’s winning or nothing. f**king beta mentality setting into this fanbase it’s disturbing.

Although I agree we should gun for winning my opinion on it means nothing, zero f**ks. That is why I can try and be objective on the matter.

BTW an honest question to this "we are about winning". How old is that idea in Chelsea context? Lot of people here question or raise the question when I mention Roman comparing that era to the current one (too much and continually). Did that mentality begin with Jose or did it before with Vialli and Gullit or was it even before that?

3 minutes ago, evissy said:

Although I agree we should gun for winning my opinion on it means nothing, zero f**ks. That is why I can try and be objective on the matter.

BTW an honest question to this "we are about winning". How old is that idea in Chelsea context? Lot of people here question or raise the question when I mention Roman comparing that era to the current one (too much and continually). Did that mentality begin with Jose or did it before with Vialli and Gullit or was it even before that?

I’d suggest the club announced its ascendency from the ‘96 FA Cup Final win with Gullit? But I think the foundations for that were laid by Hoddle.

Follow that with the Cup Winners Cup in ‘98 and another FA Cup in 2000… that’s 3 trophies in 4 years, a sign of a successful club to me?

So yeah I’d say Gullit & Luca are responsible for the mentality change in the club, obviously the arrival of Roman, and more importantly Jose amplified that by 10.

Honestly though mate and it’s not a pop at you but my biggest fear is us becoming Arsenal with our mentality and targets. Celebrating position finishes. Football has and always will be about trophies. We got 2 last season, we should be building on that and setting a ‘target’ of anything below the title kind of makes the season seem pointless to me?

As I say there’ll be some older heads on here who can remember the darker days and I have been spoiled (Born in ‘94) in that my first vivid memory is an FA Cup final win and it’s been up and up since then.

1 minute ago, The Boehly Babes said:

I’d suggest the club announced its ascendency from the ‘96 FA Cup Final win with Gullit? But I think the foundations for that were laid by Hoddle.

Follow that with the Cup Winners Cup in ‘98 and another FA Cup in 2000… that’s 3 trophies in 4 years, a sign of a successful club to me?

So yeah I’d say Gullit & Luca are responsible for the mentality change in the club, obviously the arrival of Roman, and more importantly Jose amplified that by 10.

Honestly though mate and it’s not a pop at you but my biggest fear is us becoming Arsenal with our mentality and targets. Celebrating position finishes. Football has and always will be about trophies. We got 2 last season, we should be building on that and setting a ‘target’ of anything below the title kind of makes the season seem pointless to me?

As I say there’ll be some older heads on here who can remember the darker days and I have been spoiled (Born in ‘94) in that my first vivid memory is an FA Cup final win and it’s been up and up since then.

Thanks for the reply. And I understand 100% the Arsenal mentality and the fear for it. I remember very clearly after what we did to Wenger's Arsenal when after the invincibes season we outspent everyone and turned them into a whining bunch. And reduced a truly great manager to a philosofist for the rest of his tenure. That happened and we were one of the culprits on that with MU from their viewpoint.

With Roman + Jose we were ruthless like City's been almost 10 years now. Absolute machines on trophy front. CL eluded us for too long but now we have it all.

On context to today and last 3 years. We didn't have the same base on being ruthless. The competition is so far from 2002-2005 for example it is hard to talk the two in the same sentence for my money at least.

We made a massive strategic U-turn on that idea that was under Roman. Only buy the premium player for premium price and only hire the premium coach for premium price. That was the reality under Roman.

Now we are doing what PSG also decided to do and build with youth. I think we are even more brave with the idea as we basically emptied the entire club from old ideas and people. PSG'S might not even be a good comparison it just might be the optics because their average age is very low in starting 11.

I think we did something borderline revolutionary on this level in terms of strategy. We did it even though no one was ready for it in the footballing world. Most of here though it was insanity but I think we are seeing signs of it working. If we truly want the fruit of it we need to just continue on that path even though we will eventually dip and have worse seasons and periods.

Winning mentality is key but absolutely horrendous when you live through times when you clearly can't win but everyone related expects you to due to past glory.

10 minutes ago, evissy said:

Thanks for the reply. And I understand 100% the Arsenal mentality and the fear for it. I remember very clearly after what we did to Wenger's Arsenal when after the invincibes season we outspent everyone and turned them into a whining bunch. And reduced a truly great manager to a philosofist for the rest of his tenure. That happened and we were one of the culprits on that with MU from their viewpoint.

With Roman + Jose we were ruthless like City's been almost 10 years now. Absolute machines on trophy front. CL eluded us for too long but now we have it all.

On context to today and last 3 years. We didn't have the same base on being ruthless. The competition is so far from 2002-2005 for example it is hard to talk the two in the same sentence for my money at least.

We made a massive strategic U-turn on that idea that was under Roman. Only buy the premium player for premium price and only hire the premium coach for premium price. That was the reality under Roman.

Now we are doing what PSG also decided to do and build with youth. I think we are even more brave with the idea as we basically emptied the entire club from old ideas and people. PSG'S might not even be a good comparison it just might be the optics because their average age is very low in starting 11.

I think we did something borderline revolutionary on this level in terms of strategy. We did it even though no one was ready for it in the footballing world. Most of here though it was insanity but I think we are seeing signs of it working. If we truly want the fruit of it we need to just continue on that path even though we will eventually dip and have worse seasons and periods.

Winning mentality is key but absolutely horrendous when you live through times when you clearly can't win but everyone related expects you to due to past glory.

I agree to a point.

My current frustration lies probably more at Enzo’s feet than the boards.

On paper, and I know football isn’t played on paper, but I look at our squad and other than City’s, I think we are equal to Liverpool’s and better than Arsenals. Which makes me think we SHOULD be challenging this season, there’s no need for excuses about building etc.

RJ is the leagues (worlds when fit) best RB, Caicedo is the leagues best CM & Cole Palmer is the leagues best player. That’s over 1/4 of the starting lineup being the best in their positions in this league, we should be pushing on with that.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

We made a massive strategic U-turn on that idea that was under Roman. Only buy the premium player for premium price and only hire the premium coach for premium price. That was the reality under Roman.

Now we are doing what PSG also decided to do and build with youth. I think we are even more brave with the idea as we basically emptied the entire club from old ideas and people. PSG'S might not even be a good comparison it just might be the optics because their average age is very low in starting 11.

I think we did something borderline revolutionary on this level in terms of strategy. We did it even though no one was ready for it in the footballing world. Most of here though it was insanity but I think we are seeing signs of it working. If we truly want the fruit of it we need to just continue on that path even though we will eventually dip and have worse seasons and periods.

Winning mentality is key but absolutely horrendous when you live through times when you clearly can't win but everyone related expects you to due to past glory.

This is, unfortunately, revisionist nonsense typical of current media. Yes, for 4 years from 2003 - 2007, Chelsea focused on buying established players. Except Robben, Cech, J. Cole, Johnson, Kalou, Diarra and (technically) Alex all under-22. The list is even larger if you make it under-24.

Then, of course, Abramovich shut the purse strings until the disastrous Torres vanity project of 2010.

You know what was truly revolutionary? Abramovich transformed the academy and we started to collect and produce players routinely capable of careers in the top 3 tiers of English football. Emenalo invented the current strategy of managing a large pool of player assets, the original 'loan army' for exploiting loopholes in FFP. Post-2012 we almost exclusively signed under-24 players.

It took awhile, but eventually our academy paid off, hand forced by the transfer ban. Again, this was truly revolutionary, since no club had produced a world-class academy in under a decade, nor did sugar-daddy owners invest in academies rather than continually funding transfers.

Our current owners have adopted the same model and, for reasons unknown, sought to run it with completely different staff. The media are happy to ignore this. They have built up our practice as new and shiny to make it more worthwhile when tearing it down, and to conveniently avoid giving credit to Chelsea’s actual revolutionary work. Case in point, idiots like Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand now quick to proclaim the club has defied critics when they themselves were the critics.

As for PSG, while their owners have also done a great job of suckering the media into thinking they are spearheading a football revolution, the reality is that they simply overpay for younger players, and established players from La Liga or EPL have no interest in joining them.

the owners are profiting from the success of the academy by selling everyone for profit and loading the club in debt overpaying for other talent. When will they sell the training ground and acacemy to another arm of chelsea to avoid PSR or whatever it is.. Not sure how that's revolutionary. Its called something else outside of football. It's simply robbing peter to pay for paul. Us fans are Peter and the debt the owners have financed the club into is Paul.

Again, I point to the disaster that is the bomb squad as an example of wasted millions. Meanwhile a club like forrest miss relegation after a points deduction for spending a few million more than they should, have to sell their best play and a year later are competing for European places having spent a fraction of us and can afford to redevelop their ground without bank loans for again, a fraction of the absurd prices CFC have been quoted.

Meh... sort of understand now why the US is trillions in debt.

28 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

This is, unfortunately, revisionist nonsense typical of current media. Yes, for 4 years from 2003 - 2007, Chelsea focused on buying established players. Except Robben, Cech, J. Cole, Johnson, Kalou, Diarra and (technically) Alex all under-22. The list is even larger if you make it under-24.

Then, of course, Abramovich shut the purse strings until the disastrous Torres vanity project of 2010.

You know what was truly revolutionary? Abramovich transformed the academy and we started to collect and produce players routinely capable of careers in the top 3 tiers of English football. Emenalo invented the current strategy of managing a large pool of player assets, the original 'loan army' for exploiting loopholes in FFP. Post-2012 we almost exclusively signed under-24 players.

It took awhile, but eventually our academy paid off, hand forced by the transfer ban. Again, this was truly revolutionary, since no club had produced a world-class academy in under a decade, nor did sugar-daddy owners invest in academies rather than continually funding transfers.

Our current owners have adopted the same model and, for reasons unknown, sought to run it with completely different staff. The media are happy to ignore this. They have built up our practice as new and shiny to make it more worthwhile when tearing it down, and to conveniently avoid giving credit to Chelsea’s actual revolutionary work. Case in point, idiots like Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand now quick to proclaim the club has defied critics when they themselves were the critics.

As for PSG, while their owners have also done a great job of suckering the media into thinking they are spearheading a football revolution, the reality is that they simply overpay for younger players, and established players from La Liga or EPL have no interest in joining them.

What you don't recognize here is Chelsea - one of the biggest clubs in the world actually fielded those 'too young to win the league' players 'over one night' and started from scratch. Please tell me which club of our stature has done that in last 10 years?

Revolution I agree is a slightly exaggerated word but it drives the point better than just explain in long form how it is different than to just continue to buy established players alongside our league-winning-already-established core of players. Basically PSG did that in all honesty.

What it did for Chelsea fans was to drive them to a mess and everyone from Neville and the uninterested/unknowing media to just poke the club. It also drived us to this point where we are now. Which I think is exciting although still somewhat unknown.

I have zero criticism towards Roman on Cobham. Brilliant setup and as we have probably seen the new owners have seen the value of it.

What is interesting to see is how multi-club model works for us (so far looks good) no matter what you think of that in a bigger picture. It is not illegal but I can understand the initial frustrations of Strasbourg fans.

Another interesting thing is to see whether we'll try to cash on big name players like Palmer, Estevao or Caicedo when they are at their peak. Under Roman we rarely did that (Robben, Hazard).

I listened to Captain Class -book which came up with Boehlys interview. He referred the book to say it is important for players to stay together for a long time to win a lot. That to me was a small feat in that book if at all. But he said that. Btw that book was okay but nothing special. Leadership by a single player was the idea there. JT came up there as well.

21 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

the owners are profiting from the success of the academy by selling everyone for profit and loading the club in debt overpaying for other talent. When will they sell the training ground and acacemy to another arm of chelsea to avoid PSR or whatever it is.. Not sure how that's revolutionary. Its called something else outside of football. It's simply robbing peter to pay for paul. Us fans are Peter and the debt the owners have financed the club into is Paul.

Again, I point to the disaster that is the bomb squad as an example of wasted millions. Meanwhile a club like forrest miss relegation after a points deduction for spending a few million more than they should, have to sell their best play and a year later are competing for European places having spent a fraction of us and can afford to redevelop their ground without bank loans for again, a fraction of the absurd prices CFC have been quoted.

Meh... sort of understand now why the US is trillions in debt.

They have sold players from the academy. So have all the other clubs. This is not solely a Chelsea problem. It is mainly due to the massive competition for top spots meeting the horrors of PSR/FFP.

We just fielded a backline of James - Chalobah and Acheampong in our first game of the season.

Selling hotels and womens team is naturally not what they want to do but did because of the said acronyms.

Club like Forest is simply less important in every measure. Not sure if the rules protect gians like us or City but for sure we pay a ton for lawyers and experts to dodge those bullets. Football is played on the pitch and everything else on excel-sheets.

49 minutes ago, evissy said:

They have sold players from the academy. So have all the other clubs. This is not solely a Chelsea problem. It is mainly due to the massive competition for top spots meeting the horrors of PSR/FFP.

We just fielded a backline of James - Chalobah and Acheampong in our first game of the season.

Selling hotels and womens team is naturally not what they want to do but did because of the said acronyms.

Club like Forest is simply less important in every measure. Not sure if the rules protect gians like us or City but for sure we pay a ton for lawyers and experts to dodge those bullets. Football is played on the pitch and everything else on excel-sheets.

Yawn.
You just deliberately ignore the reality. There was no need to put the club in debt buying the junk we have and selling the gold to pay for the debt. Lets lok at Newcastle, sold Eliot Anderson last season. Villa traded with us to meet regulations and vice versa so we're cooking the books or finding loopholes.

We did just field a backline of nearly cobham grads... really obsevant of you but, where was Chalobah last season at this point? How many players have we signed that was supposed to replace them? how many have been sold to pay for them, go check the bomb squad.

If we didnt sing so many players with a scattergun approach, the finance wizzkids wouldnt have to trade assets internally to make us compliant.

The Forrest example is relevant because for a fraction of the price, they are competing with us in the league. see end of last season, our bigger squad helped us to finish above them. Their business model is also acutely similar to ours, their owner owns how many clubs? I also note, this is the preferred approach of our owners who took on the Brighton model... to use your language, a less important club. So yeah...

I admire the unwaving support to our douche owners, almost think your part of their pr team.

"Football is played on the pitch and everything else on excel-sheets." yeah, you're right, nice glib little less important point, except when the excel spreadsheet dictates who goes onto the pitch which definitely influences the results on it.

I'm chatting to a bot.

2 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

I agree to a point.

My current frustration lies probably more at Enzo’s feet than the boards.

On paper, and I know football isn’t played on paper, but I look at our squad and other than City’s, I think we are equal to Liverpool’s and better than Arsenals. Which makes me think we SHOULD be challenging this season, there’s no need for excuses about building etc.

RJ is the leagues (worlds when fit) best RB, Caicedo is the leagues best CM & Cole Palmer is the leagues best player. That’s over 1/4 of the starting lineup being the best in their positions in this league, we should be pushing on with that.

I think we are very strong in some area's but no so in others, so anyone expecting us to win the PL, when we have such a young squad, is getting a bit carried away. I have hopes that we will challenge for the PL and of course it would be great to win it, but I don't expect us to - not this season.

In a PL 11, think we currently have 4 players who get in on merit - James, Cucurella, Caicedo and Palmer. So 4 out of 11 is good going, but keeper and centre backs and strikers are so crucial to winning anything (although I am happy with our two strikers and think they will both do well).

1 hour ago, evissy said:

They have sold players from the academy. So have all the other clubs. This is not solely a Chelsea problem. It is mainly due to the massive competition for top spots meeting the horrors of PSR/FFP.

We just fielded a backline of James - Chalobah and Acheampong in our first game of the season.

Selling hotels and womens team is naturally not what they want to do but did because of the said acronyms.

Club like Forest is simply less important in every measure. Not sure if the rules protect gians like us or City but for sure we pay a ton for lawyers and experts to dodge those bullets. Football is played on the pitch and everything else on excel-sheets.

They did it because they spent £400m+ on defenders since taking over and as you said in the line above our strongest backline currently consists of 3 FREE academy products. Colwill too if he weren’t injured. Blame FFP/PSR all you want but we put ourselves in the situation with completely wasteful spending.

So no, we didn’t HAVE to sell our academy products. We chose to due to our gluttonous spending.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Thanks for the reply. And I understand 100% the Arsenal mentality and the fear for it. I remember very clearly after what we did to Wenger's Arsenal when after the invincibes season we outspent everyone and turned them into a whining bunch. And reduced a truly great manager to a philosofist for the rest of his tenure. That happened and we were one of the culprits on that with MU from their viewpoint.

With Roman + Jose we were ruthless like City's been almost 10 years now. Absolute machines on trophy front. CL eluded us for too long but now we have it all.

On context to today and last 3 years. We didn't have the same base on being ruthless. The competition is so far from 2002-2005 for example it is hard to talk the two in the same sentence for my money at least.

We made a massive strategic U-turn on that idea that was under Roman. Only buy the premium player for premium price and only hire the premium coach for premium price. That was the reality under Roman.

Now we are doing what PSG also decided to do and build with youth. I think we are even more brave with the idea as we basically emptied the entire club from old ideas and people. PSG'S might not even be a good comparison it just might be the optics because their average age is very low in starting 11.

I think we did something borderline revolutionary on this level in terms of strategy. We did it even though no one was ready for it in the footballing world. Most of here though it was insanity but I think we are seeing signs of it working. If we truly want the fruit of it we need to just continue on that path even though we will eventually dip and have worse seasons and periods.

Winning mentality is key but absolutely horrendous when you live through times when you clearly can't win but everyone related expects you to due to past glory.

This is you telling us not not keep going on about Roman and our unheralded success during his tenure, right?

Of course you're right we all must make sure that we stop keep going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about Roman. Hopefully your message, so infrequently posted, will get through to the most stubborn of forum posters so that we can all stop going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about Roman.

15 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

Yawn.
You just deliberately ignore the reality. There was no need to put the club in debt buying the junk we have and selling the gold to pay for the debt. Lets lok at Newcastle, sold Eliot Anderson last season. Villa traded with us to meet regulations and vice versa so we're cooking the books or finding loopholes.

We did just field a backline of nearly cobham grads... really obsevant of you but, where was Chalobah last season at this point? How many players have we signed that was supposed to replace them? how many have been sold to pay for them, go check the bomb squad.

If we didnt sing so many players with a scattergun approach, the finance wizzkids wouldnt have to trade assets internally to make us compliant.

The Forrest example is relevant because for a fraction of the price, they are competing with us in the league. see end of last season, our bigger squad helped us to finish above them. Their business model is also acutely similar to ours, their owner owns how many clubs? I also note, this is the preferred approach of our owners who took on the Brighton model... to use your language, a less important club. So yeah...

I admire the unwaving support to our douche owners, almost think your part of their pr team.

"Football is played on the pitch and everything else on excel-sheets." yeah, you're right, nice glib little less important point, except when the excel spreadsheet dictates who goes onto the pitch which definitely influences the results on it.

I'm chatting to a bot.

I don't know all the background although I apparently work for Boehly as you don't either but debt I think in this climate is not a problem. I am sure Boehly and his peers work with debt all the time. Roman having a fortune in his bank account is the anomaly in this world I believe. Not sure why the debt aspect is always brought up...

Well I am not an expert on those matters but I am sure the way Americans look PSR/FFP is a guideline and when they see a club like City is doing they just play with those guidelines as their peers do. They don't see them as law which they are not. They also probably count in all the penalties that could come with it. Again not an expert on any of this but I view that most of this is deliberate. Mistakes have been made buying players I am sure. I think UB has written every one of them here as he is great at spotting them and writing them down.

Re bombsquad: To me the relevant one here is Disasi (panic buy due to Fofana's injury). Chalo was seen not good enough for that role which still isn't completely untrue. If better players were available he'd be somewhere else. Every manager we've had have pretty much agreed on this for some reason. I love Chalobah and think he is great club servant and can do a job but coach after coach have sidelined him. I really hope he keeps his place from now on as he deserves it.

But we did. You probably can't just buy one young player and expect him to be a Messi in 5 years time. It comes with set of risks naturally. Again to me the clear mistakes from the buys (who were not adviced by the Sporting directors) are the ones that failed + Disasi. Sterling, Koulibaly...established player who have no resale value if they don't make it here. And I am sure they have calculated the risk in that as well. Buy 10 players and for sure 20% doesn't work out for your favour or something along the lines.

Forrest comparison was on purely on the value of the club. For Forrest fans that naturally is the most important club in the world but for the rest of us - some 8 billion people - not so much. Forrest did amazingly well, absolutely fantastic work from them. No denying there. Lets see if they compete in CL or lift CWC trophies soon, most probably not.

Douche owners...yawn...yes that is one for your yawn. Douche goes well with Americans sure as a word but otherwise those people in general have done well for themselves in this life..but naturally that is a cut too deep I suppose if we purely want to talk on a footballing level which is pretty hard if you try to make a point.

Excel-sheets do dictate who goes on pitch as it is one of the cornerstones of sports business and it happens too much to my liking as well but I am not deciding all this so just a bystander basically. I can always stop consuming the sport which you probably don't think is such a bad idea. 😃

You don't have to chat with me but I am glad you do.

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

I don't know all the background although I apparently work for Boehly as you don't either but debt I think in this climate is not a problem. I am sure Boehly and his peers work with debt all the time. Roman having a fortune in his bank account is the anomaly in this world I believe. Not sure why the debt aspect is always brought up...

Well I am not an expert on those matters but I am sure the way Americans look PSR/FFP is a guideline and when they see a club like City is doing they just play with those guidelines as their peers do. They don't see them as law which they are not. They also probably count in all the penalties that could come with it. Again not an expert on any of this but I view that most of this is deliberate. Mistakes have been made buying players I am sure. I think UB has written every one of them here as he is great at spotting them and writing them down.

Re bombsquad: To me the relevant one here is Disasi (panic buy due to Fofana's injury). Chalo was seen not good enough for that role which still isn't completely untrue. If better players were available he'd be somewhere else. Every manager we've had have pretty much agreed on this for some reason. I love Chalobah and think he is great club servant and can do a job but coach after coach have sidelined him. I really hope he keeps his place from now on as he deserves it.

But we did. You probably can't just buy one young player and expect him to be a Messi in 5 years time. It comes with set of risks naturally. Again to me the clear mistakes from the buys (who were not adviced by the Sporting directors) are the ones that failed + Disasi. Sterling, Koulibaly...established player who have no resale value if they don't make it here. And I am sure they have calculated the risk in that as well. Buy 10 players and for sure 20% doesn't work out for your favour or something along the lines.

Forrest comparison was on purely on the value of the club. For Forrest fans that naturally is the most important club in the world but for the rest of us - some 8 billion people - not so much. Forrest did amazingly well, absolutely fantastic work from them. No denying there. Lets see if they compete in CL or lift CWC trophies soon, most probably not.

Douche owners...yawn...yes that is one for your yawn. Douche goes well with Americans sure as a word but otherwise those people in general have done well for themselves in this life..but naturally that is a cut too deep I suppose if we purely want to talk on a footballing level which is pretty hard if you try to make a point.

Excel-sheets do dictate who goes on pitch as it is one of the cornerstones of sports business and it happens too much to my liking as well but I am not deciding all this so just a bystander basically. I can always stop consuming the sport which you probably don't think is such a bad idea. 😃

You don't have to chat with me but I am glad you do.

This is truly hilarious,. You've written more column inches than Brian Glanville mate.

13 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

This is you telling us not not keep going on about Roman and our unheralded success during his tenure, right?

Of course you're right we all must make sure that we stop keep going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about Roman. Hopefully your message, so infrequently posted, will get through to the most stubborn of forum posters so that we can all stop going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about Roman.

So I can't ask when this winning mentality (which is great) was born? I think it is relevant. You need context. I understand we have some longtime fans from the worse days of the club who have more perspective than others, certainly myself. If you want to compare Boehly era Chelsea to another era of this club which is the most relevant? I think Roman. That is the golden era of this club and the aim is to get there or thereabouts again...

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

This is truly hilarious,. You've written more column inches than Brian Glanville mate.

Glad you find it funny. My method is the suffocate. I hope it works.

Just now, evissy said:

So I can't ask when this winning mentality (which is great) was born? I think it is relevant. You need context. I understand we have some longtime fans from the worse days of the club who have more perspective than others, certainly myself. If you want to compare Boehly era Chelsea to another era of this club which is the most relevant? I think Roman. That is the golden era of this club and the aim is to get there or thereabouts again...

I don't. Most of us don't. You are the only one continuously referencing it in virtually every post. Even when i make a joke out of it, you are relentless.

I will state what i have stated on the last dozen or so occasions that you have posted the same or similar posts, the owners of this club running up billions of debt, sailing next to the wind for financial and sporting sanctions whilst using all manner of social media machinations to pump a certain narrative to the media as absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Roman Abramovich or Chelsea. Its all their own work. If this strategy works out for us all on the pitch then they deserve all the plaudits that they are due. That said, get this wrong and plunge us further into the abyss then they similarly deserve the gallows.

14 minutes ago, evissy said:

I don't know all the background although I apparently work for Boehly as you don't either but debt I think in this climate is not a problem. I am sure Boehly and his peers work with debt all the time. Roman having a fortune in his bank account is the anomaly in this world I believe. Not sure why the debt aspect is always brought up...

Becasue when the new owners took on the club, we were debt free. Please try acknowledging this...

Why work with debt when you dont have to. What would you rather. going into a shop and paying for a bottle of milk do you prefer to pay it by cash, or do you prefer to put it on the card and take the hit on the interest and pay more for the pint?

15 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

This is truly hilarious,. You've written more column inches than Brian Glanville mate.

It’s AI

1 hour ago, Mod said:

It’s AI

A lot more A than I.

The guy tried to play through Crystal Palace the entire match without any success. You could see from the first 30 minutes it wasn’t going to happen but he persisted like to £ shop Pep he is.

This is going to be a frustrating season!!!

Feels like we are discussing Tennis here and that Maresca is the actual player. 😅

Do you think we can win Premiere League, or any major silverware with Sanchez in goal? Just to name the weakest link... hardly think that's the only weakness in the squad esp now without Colwill.

Either Sanchez is good enough and deserves to be at a top club aiming to win silverware or he isn't and we aren't realistically contenting to win major titles this season. Sorry, but sometimes it can be that simple.

16 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I don't. Most of us don't. You are the only one continuously referencing it in virtually every post. Even when i make a joke out of it, you are relentless.

I will state what i have stated on the last dozen or so occasions that you have posted the same or similar posts, the owners of this club running up billions of debt, sailing next to the wind for financial and sporting sanctions whilst using all manner of social media machinations to pump a certain narrative to the media as absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Roman Abramovich or Chelsea. Its all their own work. If this strategy works out for us all on the pitch then they deserve all the plaudits that they are due. That said, get this wrong and plunge us further into the abyss then they similarly deserve the gallows.

I think we were a different club before Roman. We were a tier below. What I think most fans would like is we don't drop a tier below but stay as a powerhouse and elevate that even..would you agree?

So when I counter all the massive outburst of unnecessary negativity towards them and try to make sense of their decisions I like to compare it to the most relevant era of the club (that I know the best as well). If I compared that to some other era or club even it is not as relevant. It gives context and I think it is the best comparison since most fans here probably agree Roman era of this club is its best in the clubs history.

And I agree the new owners are taking risks left and right. I have never denied that. They are venture capitalists. It is a part of their game. Is it good to have these types as owners as opposed to a guy like Roman, probably not BUT THAT IS THE REALITY. Accept the reality and play with the cards you are dealt with. What else can you do? Just be negative the entire time?