30 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Because it wouldn't be an option?

Netflix is a similar price to the licence fee and it provides f**k all in comparison.

The moment BBC becomes subscription, it dies. The website is gone, the radio is gone, local news disappears, events like the world cup will probably go behind a paywall.

I don't like the world where we all watch American TV and have to consume our news with a massive left wing or right wing bias like in America.

Of coarse it would be an option, pay the tax or don’t pay it, that is an option. If you don’t want to watch any bbc programme that is an option. The only option is, you have to pay the tv tax even if you don’t watch it. How the f..ck is that right?

35 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Of coarse it would be an option, pay the tax or don’t pay it, that is an option. If you don’t want to watch any bbc programme that is an option. The only option is, you have to pay the tv tax even if you don’t watch it. How the f..ck is that right?

By, it's not an option, I mean

If you made it a subscription. Overnight 50% of people would stop paying.

And so the BBC would have to cut services everywhere. They'd also then need to focus on creating content that would make the average Joe want to subscribe

Everything would have to be more entertaining. Everything would be about ratings

Suddenly you'd just be looking at a British version of Netflix.

And i wouldn't subscribe to that. Within 2 years the BBC would close up. And we'd all be watching American TV and news channels that are actually biased.

Edited August 18, 2025Aug 18 by bisright1

6 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

By, it's not an option, I mean

If you made it a subscription. Overnight 50% of people would stop paying.

And so the BBC would have to cut services everywhere. They'd also then need to focus on creating content that would make the average Joe want to subscribe

Everything would have to be more entertaining. Everything would be about ratings

Suddenly you'd just be looking at a British version of Netflix.

And i wouldn't subscribe to that. Within 2 years the BBC would close up. And we'd all be watching American TV and news channels that are actually biased.

BBC have a solution, a brilliant one too, we are all saved ...

The BBC is hoping that 10,000 pin badges, 7,000 mugs and 6,000 lanyards will cement a cultural change in staff behaviour in the wake of recent scandals.

A Freedom of Information request by Sky News has revealed that more than £61,000 has been spent on accessories as part of a new "Call It Out" campaign.

The initiative aims to "encourage open feedback, celebrate positive behaviour and deal promptly with concerns", as well as help staff to raise workplace concerns.

Almost £20,000 was spent on branded "Call It Out" mugs alone - along with more than £6,000 on the pin badges and lanyards - which are now available across 72 BBC sites in the UK.

15 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Because it wouldn't be an option?

Netflix is a similar price to the licence fee and it provides f**k all in comparison.

The moment BBC becomes subscription, it dies. The website is gone, the radio is gone, local news disappears, events like the world cup will probably go behind a paywall.

I don't like the world where we all watch American TV and have to consume our news with a massive left wing or right wing bias like in America.

Let it die.

16 hours ago, bisright1 said:

By, it's not an option, I mean

If you made it a subscription. Overnight 50% of people would stop paying.

And so the BBC would have to cut services everywhere. They'd also then need to focus on creating content that would make the average Joe want to subscribe

Everything would have to be more entertaining. Everything would be about ratings

Suddenly you'd just be looking at a British version of Netflix.

And i wouldn't subscribe to that. Within 2 years the BBC would close up. And we'd all be watching American TV and news channels that are actually biased.

Ok, I don’t understand how you can say it’s not an option, pay it or don’t pay it, that is the ‘option’ I’m referring to. Half a million people cancelled last year alone. If the bbc collapses good. Like millions of others I don’t watch it, for many reasons. Their leftie woke attitude, the 99% garbage they put out, and their decades of covering up sexual criminals. My opinion, my choice, my option. If you like to carry on paying for that continue to do so.

Ps. I work in the film industry and have been contracted in by them on a few occasions, and see how they function first hand. Carry on funding the dinosaur.

The BBC does have many faults nowadays. There are loads of things I dislike about it and don't agree with.

But I am of an age where I still hold the BBC in high regard. Moreso what they have done during the years I was growing up. They still have some very good programmes and drama's and I listen to a fair bit of BBC radio and BBC Sounds. So as much as others are saying they are a "dinosaur" (and they do have a point), I will always carry on watching and listening to the bits I like and therefore pay the licence fee.

But the BBC must be aware that the new generation do things differently and they will need to change going forward - no different to retailers and department stores etc that are all struggling in the modern world.

7 hours ago, Kev56 said:

Ok, I don’t understand how you can say it’s not an option, pay it or don’t pay it, that is the ‘option’ I’m referring to. Half a million people cancelled last year alone. If the bbc collapses good. Like millions of others I don’t watch it, for many reasons. Their leftie woke attitude, the 99% garbage they put out, and their decades of covering up sexual criminals. My opinion, my choice, my option. If you like to carry on paying for that continue to do so.

Ps. I work in the film industry and have been contracted in by them on a few occasions, and see how they function first hand. Carry on funding the dinosaur.

You asked why the "lefties" don't want it to be a subscription

I explained why that wouldnt work because the BBC as we know it would collapse.

You asked me the same question.

I explained that wouldn't work because the BBC as we know it would collapse.

Do you want me to give the same answer again?

50 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

You asked why the "lefties" don't want it to be a subscription

I explained why that wouldnt work because the BBC as we know it would collapse.

You asked me the same question.

I explained that wouldn't work because the BBC as we know it would collapse.

Do you want me to give the same answer again?

No. I hope it does collapse.

21 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

No. I hope it does collapse.

Which is fine as an opinion. I think it's mental personally.

I think it'll be a shame if we replace the BBC with Netflix and Amazon. I don't know why people want our media controlled by Americans.

But it seems inevitable sadly.

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

You asked why the "lefties" don't want it to be a subscription

I explained why that wouldnt work because the BBC as we know it would collapse.

You asked me the same question.

I explained that wouldn't work because the BBC as we know it would collapse.

Do you want me to give the same answer again?

Dunno why people think the BBC is something to do with the left wing . The last Chairman was a top Conservation and close friend of Boris. Had to resign over some undisclosed loans.

The new one ....

Anti-woke’ race relations veteran Samir Shah appointed new BBC chairman

The television executive and co-author of the 2021 Sewell Report has previously spoken out against positive discrimination

1 minute ago, The Rising Sun said:

Dunno why people think the BBC is something to do with the left wing . The last Chairman was a top Conservation and close friend of Boris. Had to resign over some undisclosed loans.

I hear that sometimes from far-right types who are annoyed it doesn't represent their views, which is kind of the point.

31 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Which is fine as an opinion. I think it's mental personally.

I think it'll be a shame if we replace the BBC with Netflix and Amazon. I don't know why people want our media controlled by Americans.

But it seems inevitable sadly.

I think the reason that people would like the media controlled by Americans as you suggest is that they do not enjoy what they see as poor programming ( sport has been mentioned as an example previously). They also are not impressed with a compulsory and to what some see as a high charge, and they dont wish to be contributing to the salaries in any way of people of questionable character. Its very sad not that it will die but that they will not change.

The BBC has been all but replaced by these services that you mention. Very few and reducing numbers are watching the BBC. They are not relevant to the viewing public. They are sleepwalking into extinction. We could pray for their survival but it will not happen.

They are almost a dead parrot, no more, gone to meet their maker.

Debates about which political position the BBC are taking and or whining about Amazon and Netflix etc will not keep the BBC running only change would do that.

Edited August 19, 2025Aug 19 by OneTommyLangley

Netflix has been accused of tax avoidance in the UK by funneling profits through low-tax jurisdictions like the Netherlands, despite receiving tax relief for producing content in the UK.

1 hour ago, OneTommyLangley said:

I think the reason that people would like the media controlled by Americans as you suggest is that they do not enjoy what they see as poor programming ( sport has been mentioned as an example previously). They also are not impressed with a compulsory and to what some see as a high charge, and they dont wish to be contributing to the salaries in any way of people of questionable character. Its very sad not that it will die but that they will not change.

The BBC has been all but replaced by these services that you mention. Very few and reducing numbers are watching the BBC. They are not relevant to the viewing public. They are sleepwalking into extinction. We could pray for their survival but it will not happen.

They are almost a dead parrot, no more, gone to meet their maker.

Debates about which political position the BBC are taking and or whining about Amazon and Netflix etc will not keep the BBC running only change would do that.

Aren't the BBC TV channels combined figures still higher than Streamers ? Our taxes subsidised Elon Musk's electric vehicles few years ago , no one seemed bothered . Our taxes subsidise loads of stuff that I don't want it to , Like the licence fee tax it is forced on us, but the BBC seems to get all the heat . Now our taxes are about to be used to reduce each electric vehicle by £1,500. It won't help me to buy one though..

I don't disagree that we should have a choice about the BBC licence fee, which is an enforced tax , even if we don't have choices about other uses of our taxes.

3 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Aren't the BBC TV channels combined figures still higher than Streamers ? Our taxes subsidised Elon Musk's electric vehicles few years ago , no one seemed bothered . Our taxes subsidise loads of stuff that I don't want it to , Like the licence fee tax it is forced on us, but the BBC seems to get all the heat . Now our taxes are about to be used to reduce each electric vehicle by £1,500. It won't help me to buy one though..

I don't disagree that we should have a choice about the BBC licence fee, which is an enforced tax , even if we don't have choices about other uses of our taxes.

The poor programming content, the lack of relevance and suchlike is the deathblow, they will not change but choose to highlight very interesting issues like this.

Many will continue to pay and hardly use the services until they finally expire. hey ho.

These comments be it Tax, alternative platforms or political positioning are very valid reasons not to be too hard on the poor old BBC but it wont save them.

If their viewing figures are so good why is this debate continuing, the future is bright lets increase the licence fee.

Edited August 19, 2025Aug 19 by OneTommyLangley

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

Netflix has been accused of tax avoidance in the UK by funneling profits through low-tax jurisdictions like the Netherlands, despite receiving tax relief for producing content in the UK.

Politely, on this one, does anyone actually like really care about companies avoiding tax? It’s the same as Joe Bloggs being registered as a Limited Company and only ‘officially’ takkng £12,750 a year wage but recieving the rest through dividends.

Always seems to be one of those faux outrage situations like bankers bonuses that just comes from a place of pure envy.

1 hour ago, OneTommyLangley said:

The poor programming content, the lack of relevance and suchlike is the deathblow, they will not change but choose to highlight very interesting issues like this.

Many will continue to pay and hardly use the services until they finally expire. hey ho.

These comments be it Tax, alternative platforms or political positioning are very valid reasons not to be too hard on the poor old BBC but it wont save them.

If their viewing figures are so good why is this debate continuing, the future is bright lets increase the licence fee.

Personally I would ringfence x amount for the next 10 years to come from the govt budget and reduce the licence fee significantly for anyone earning under 100k. And that total budget I would suggest should be 50% higher than it is now. Make the bbc competitive again.

I'd then make it an independent panel to decide on the bbc budget for the future and that same independent of bbc panel to be responsible for selling advertisements (perhaps 1 minute per 15 minutes).

But genuinely those ideas would be shot down by the capitalists who want the bbc to fail so that they can make profits on our media habits.

Edited August 19, 2025Aug 19 by bisright1

10 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Politely, on this one, does anyone actually like really care about companies avoiding tax? It’s the same as Joe Bloggs being registered as a Limited Company and only ‘officially’ takkng £12,750 a year wage but recieving the rest through dividends.

Always seems to be one of those faux outrage situations like bankers bonuses that just comes from a place of pure envy.

I know, fancy being unhappy about some mega corporation avoiding paying their dues into a country, therefore depriving that country of much needed funding that goes towards schooling, health, policing and a thousand other necessities.....such faux anger....

Edited August 20, 2025Aug 20 by dkw

34 minutes ago, dkw said:

I know, fancy being unhappy about some mega corporation avoiding paying their dues into a country, therefore depriving that country of much needed funding that goes towards schooling, health, policing and a thousand other necessities.....such faux anger....

10% of something is better than a 100% of nothing. We have one of the highest tax rates in the developed world and then wonder why a lack of companies/ the brightest in their fields never choose to set up or work here.

Simple solutions but we as a country are just greedy and have to keep covering the costs for issues that aren’t our own.

13 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Politely, on this one, does anyone actually like really care about companies avoiding tax? It’s the same as Joe Bloggs being registered as a Limited Company and only ‘officially’ takkng £12,750 a year wage but recieving the rest through dividends.

Always seems to be one of those faux outrage situations like bankers bonuses that just comes from a place of pure envy.

Tbf that Joe blogs has to pay 20% tax on profits and then another relatively high tax tax on dividends. Ltd directors pay a similar amount of tax now to PAYE

3 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

10% of something is better than a 100% of nothing. We have one of the highest tax rates in the developed world and then wonder why a lack of companies/ the brightest in their fields never choose to set up or work here.

Simple solutions but we as a country are just greedy and have to keep covering the costs for issues that aren’t our own.

No we dont, not even close to the highest tax rates, I dont think were even in the top 10 in Europe, let alone the world.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

No we dont, not even close to the highest tax rates, I dont think were even in the top 10 in Europe, let alone the world.

He's full of sh*t. Speaking from personal experience, having lived in both countries, the personal tax burden in the UK is quite a lot lower than in Germany. I understand overall corporate tax is also higher in Germany.

51 minutes ago, bluedave said:

He's full of sh*t. Speaking from personal experience, having lived in both countries, the personal tax burden in the UK is quite a lot lower than in Germany. I understand overall corporate tax is also higher in Germany.

Ive done work in Sweden, Finland and Norway. Tax rates over there are eye watering, its why wages are so high, cost of living is so high etc.

56 minutes ago, charierre said:

Well *uck my boots well done the BBC

Hallelujah! That's more like it👍