If we win the two trophies on offer this month will Carlo finally put to rest Joses ghost which has been haunting the club since he left??

Every manager we have had since Jose(not in any way taking away from what he did for us) has been compared to him quiet justifiably i must say so if carlo does indeed lift the double will we stop talking about Jose and start to realise that carlo is indeed a fine manager who has turned us into an attacking, entertaining team (which is very un-italian like) scoring the 2nd highest amount of goals in europes traditional "big" leagues (after Ajax) which is something Jose never really accomplished with his 1-0 or 2-0 lead was enough to shut up shop? And yes Carlo has struggled for ideas in certain games but with another summer to get players to fit his idea for the club in the future and the promotion of some of our youngsters.....its going to be an interesting summer :D

Edited May 5, 201016 yr by bluewilky

If we win the two trophies on offer this month will Carlo finally put to rest Joses ghost which has been haunting the club since he left??

Every manager we have had since Jose(not in any way taking away from what he did for us) has been compared to him quiet justifiably i must say so if carlo does indeed lift the double will we stop talking about Jose and start to realise that carlo is indeed a fine manager who has turned us into an attacking, entertaining team (which is very un-italian like) scoring the 2nd highest amount of goals in europes traditional "big" leagues (after Ajax) which is something Jose never really accomplished with his 1-0 or 2-0 lead was enough to shut up shop? And yes Carlo has struggled for ideas in certain games but with another summer to get players to fit his idea for the club in the future and the promotion of some of our youngsters.....its going to be an interesting summer

Jose's a god not a ghost.

All this putting Jose's ghost to rest nonsense is for the back page of the Sun and for the consuption of United and Liverdrool fans. I'm forever grateful for what Jose did. His style of play was fine with me. Three defeats in all competitions wasn't it in his first season? One against Barca, One against Man City, I can't remember who put us out of the FA cup that year, but that was it. 1-0 and 2-0 wins not good enough for Chelsea fans these days?

Here's a 3-0 win that Jose gave us and it was one of the best days there's ever been to be a Chelsea fan, 3-0 at Stamford Bridge and JT lifting the League trophy while Ferggie looked on.

I'm not taking anything away from Carlo, I hope he goes on to bring us even more trophies than Morinho but I'll never forget the glory of the Jose years.

God bless Jose may the holy ghost haunt the Bridge forever

Stop talking about it? Why would we want to do that?

Carlo will receive huge gratitude and supported by fans how a manager should.

..but Jose will never not be talked about I'm afraid. In the same way any past great manager we have had down the years. Chippy may beg to differ with that opinion though.

How come the most recent managers leaving here become successful? Jose...Italian Cup winner (today) and two more tropies lined up. Claudio...cup final today and fighting Jose for the title.....Avram....FA Cup Finalist, can't recall where Phil went...Russia? Regardless like Jose for what he is ..colourful, contraversial and deliverer.....Claudio started the trend for success but couldn't quite make it happen, Jose made the dream (along with Roman's money) reality. I like Carlo..he has a dry sense of humour but I wish he would get a little more animated on the touchline when things are not going well..just to make me believe he has passion for this team.

did you say Avram's gone on to achieve success after us?

When he left us it was after the Champions League Final that he was the breadth of a coat of paint away from winning. Now he's taking a bankrupt club into the Championship.

Edited May 5, 201016 yr by Reido of the Ormeau

Carlo will receive huge gratitude and supported by fans how a manager should.

..but Jose will never not be talked about I'm afraid. In the same way any past great manager we have had down the years. Chippy may beg to differ with that opinion though.

The opinion that he will be or should be?

Why do you find it necessary to pursue this with me Mod? how many times do you want me to explain that the thing I detest about the Jose worship is not the talking about what he achieved here, its the measuring his success against any manager we have in place even though they have not had the time or the funds he had.

If every loss we suffer or draw away at a club outside the top 3 is greated with "That wouldn't have happened under the special one" or "Jose would have made his changes earlier" then what chance is there of ever getting behind a manager in the same way..people need to remember we lost games under Mourinho as well, we finished runners up under him and we had no answer at times even to the brilliance of Benitez, that is not me saying he wasn't a very good manager..its me saying there are a lot of good managers around and he is now an opposition manager so lets remember the good times while not tainting the performance of a man hoping to bring us more good times with comparisons that can not be held as proof under different circumstances..

Edited May 5, 201016 yr by Chippy

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DIDN'T YOU JUST HEAR WHAT I SAID AVRAM?

The opinion that he will be or should be?

Why do you find it necessary to pursue this with me Mod?..

Relax Chipolata, I thought I'd just add that last sentence to see if I got a round 2 going.

Regardless of how we all feel about Jose, it should all be about one manager at the moment.

Lets finish the season better than we ever have done trophy-wise

The opinion that he will be or should be?

Why do you find it necessary to pursue this with me Mod? how many times do you want me to explain that the thing I detest about the Jose worship is not the talking about what he achieved here, its the measuring his success against any manager we have in place even though they have not had the time or the funds he had.

If every loss we suffer or draw away at a club outside the top 3 is greated with "That wouldn't have happened under the special one" or "Jose would have made his changes earlier" then what chance is there of ever getting behind a manager in the same way..people need to remember we lost games under Mourinho as well, we finished runners up under him and we had no answer at times even to the brilliance of Benitez, that is not me saying he wasn't a very good manager..its me saying there are a lot of good managers around and he is now an opposition manager so lets remember the good times while not tainting the performance of a man hoping to bring us more good times with comparisons that can not be held as proof under different circumstances..

Well said chippy

God bless Jose may the holy ghost haunt the Bridge forever

What im trying to say is what chiipy referred to why do we need to constantly compare managers carlo has the team attacking and entertaining much more than they ever did under Jose, of course im grateful for what he did here but it gets a bit much why not judge Carlo on what he does instead of "if Jose was in charge we'd have the title a long time ago". And surely carlo would be a much better ghost with his condescending eyebrow. :)

And on the idea of 2-0 and 1-0 wins not being good enough of course they are but sometimes its nice to see the team push on ala 3 games this season to mention 7-2, 7-1, 7-0 please sir can i have some more.............................

......more you ask!!!!

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DIDN'T YOU JUST HEAR WHAT I SAID AVRAM?

Perhaps it was his biggest achievement under the circumstances....I would have thought the CL final would have been but it wasn't really his team...lets hope he does not have an even bigger achievement at Wembley in a couple of weeks....

It won't lay his ghost, but it will be very significant...I remember how growing up all the talk was of the 60s and 70s side and you got the impression it hung over the club a bit...now of course it's been only four years since we won the league, but it has been a bit of an issue...the longer you go without winning it, the harder it can get...also for Carlo it will certainly ease a lot of pressure and get the fans more behind him as we have already seen in recent weeks with chants of 'carlo' etc

Hopefully, regardless of what happens these next two weekends, Carlo will be the coach of this team for a long time to come. A good manager who is here for the long term that brings stability and is allowed to build his own squad would be fantastic. As wonderful a manager as Jose is, he will never fit that description. I couldn't imagine him ever lasting more than four or five years at any position. While he will no doubt win, he won't lead a long and sustained period of excellence.

Let's not overlook what a great job Carlo has done this season. The season was up and down, to be sure. But he has out the squad in a position to win the double. Now its up to the players over these next 180 minutes. The tactics and squad pretty much pick themselves at this point so there is much more Carlo can do but sit back and watch like the rest of us. These next two results will determine if the ghost of Jose becomes fond memories of times gone by or grows and continuens to loom large over whomever manages this club.

Unfortunately whoever's left managing us will be unfairly compared to Jose until they win something. Carlo included. I've gotten over Jose when he signed with Inter, but I will remember him. However, all this pining for him is like pining for an ex. There's a reason why you split in the first place.

Also, if Carlo wins silverware, I'll be laughing given that there was a bit of an overreaction after a bad run of form on this site. Most notably the Blackburn game.

i miss jose

I think that Jose is a significant part of our history, we needed a manager like him to make that squad of players into Champions. For that reason he will be a hero for this generation of fans. IF Carlo leads us to the double it represents another historical event for us which gives him a status within the club and empowers him to build a 'new' team over the next few years.

The biggest ghost that needs to be layed is with the players, too many of this squad are still mentally 'Jose players' - which IMO contributed massively to our defeat in the CL, the players didn't believe that they could beat Jose's tactics. When things have not gone well under post-Jose managers the players have been guility of the "Jose wouldn't have done..." mentality, success under Carlo will give him greater gravitas with the players so they believe in his ideas. It will also give him the funds and security to start building his own squad and fully implementing his own style of play. Exciting times...

We should always compare our managers to the last successful one and there's even a practical reason for it, improvement. We don't want someone coming in and just doing thier best, we want someone who will be even better than Jose. We're a top European team now. We can give our mangers all the time in the world if they're below the standard of Jose and this is what may happen...

Just to make sure there's no confusion on the matter; I believe that Carlo will be better than Jose.

Edited May 6, 201016 yr by Reido of the Ormeau

If we win it on Sunday maybe the players will get a bit of credit this time.

Jose is winning, but still isn't delivering sexy football, which is what RA wanted. I imagine it's also what the worldwide TV audience, especially in Asia, wants. A string of 1-0 wins suits the diehard fans, but probably isn't good for business in the grand scheme of things. This season we may have become the no.1. box office attraction with our goal tally. Showbiz ennit?

Mod

Sorry mate I was a bit ratty last night and just feel this close to a title we should be well happy with what we've got, also having explained hundreds of times on here that I think Mourinho was a very good manager (although personality wise he was not my cup of tea) and I do look back with pride at what we achieved under him, I get a bit fed up with people trying to make it seem like I think he was a useless manager that should be forgotten and asking me to say the manager who I think was the greatest tactical genius was Grant.

Liam has hit the nail on the head with his last post..the players need to be given credit, as they did under Mourinho and the opposite side of the coin is when they perform badly they need to be held responsible to a large extent.

Bluewilky, mate you won't be popular here agreeing with anything I say about Managers.

Fester, spot on about the players and espesially in the Inter game, as I said at the time the texting Terry and the standing in the tunnel, these were great mind games by Mourinho and he knew how to wind them right up, a few new faces will put paid to any more of that with a bit of luck.

Reido of the ormeau

I don't think we need a manager to be better than Jose, thats not what we should be thinking about, I think we need a manager to be given the time and funds as he was in his first two seasons but also for the funds to not be suddenly snatched away if there is not enough coming through from the youth,

although I never liked his style I believe had reasonable funds been given to him for the third seaon we would have been succesful again and the likes of ben Haim and Steve Sidwell were not the type of players to take us forward,

If we trust Carlo with funds he will carry on hopefully to keep the team challenging for everything in the same way, measuring who is the better manager would be unrealistic and unnecessary and trophy counting would be just as unrealistic as the opposition is different all the time as well,

I'd be happy to have some stability and obviously be in with a decent shout for all the main competitions while enjoying some good football.

I have argued with many on this site about the Mourinho Vs new manager debate and its a shame as a lot of the posters who verhemently disagree with me are posters whos opinions I really do respect, I just don't think they quite understand where I'm coming from on the whole thing and why I don't think Jose was the be all and end all here.

Edited May 6, 201016 yr by Chippy

Jose's a god not a ghost.

All this putting Jose's ghost to rest nonsense is for the back page of the Sun and for the consuption of United and Liverdrool fans. I'm forever grateful for what Jose did. His style of play was fine with me. Three defeats in all competitions wasn't it in his first season? One against Barca, One against Man City, I can't remember who put us out of the FA cup that year, but that was it. 1-0 and 2-0 wins not good enough for Chelsea fans these days?

Here's a 3-0 win that Jose gave us and it was one of the best days there's ever been to be a Chelsea fan, 3-0 at Stamford Bridge and JT lifting the League trophy while Ferggie looked on.

I'm not taking anything away from Carlo, I hope he goes on to bring us even more trophies than Morinho but I'll never forget the glory of the Jose years.

God bless Jose may the holy ghost haunt the Bridge forever

Stop talking about it? Why would we want to do that?

Personally I don't think the overall quality of the EPL has been fantastic this year. In common with the other top teams we have had more ups and downs this season than the Assyrian Empire. But that shouldn't detract from what we are on the verge of achieving. And if we do it, Carlo and the team deserve every plaudit they get.

I'll be there on Sunday celebrating like a nutter if we win the league against Wigan. And I'll be there at Wembley the week after celebrating like a nutter if we win the double against Pompey. But I know already nothing, nothing, will ever top that feeling I had at Bolton when Jose and the boys won us that first title after all those years of trying.

Personally I don't think the overall quality of the EPL has been fantastic this year. In common with the other top teams we have had more ups and downs this season than the Assyrian Empire. But that shouldn't detract from what we are on the verge of achieving. And if we do it, Carlo and the team deserve every plaudit they get.

I'll be there on Sunday celebrating like a nutter if we win the league against Wigan. And I'll be there at Wembley the week after celebrating like a nutter if we win the double against Pompey. But I know already nothing, nothing, will ever top that feeling I had at Bolton when Jose and the boys won us that first title after all those years of trying.

Agree, it has been the last two seasons ... Liverpools second last year flattered them because Utd and us had a bad season.

If we win it on Sunday maybe the players will get a bit of credit this time.

Surely it will be Jose's team what done it?!

It won't lay his ghost, but it will be very significant...I remember how growing up all the talk was of the 60s and 70s side and you got the impression it hung over the club a bit...now of course it's been only four years since we won the league, but it has been a bit of an issue...the longer you go without winning it, the harder it can get...also for Carlo it will certainly ease a lot of pressure and get the fans more behind him as we have already seen in recent weeks with chants of 'carlo' etc

And that lasted until the cup win in 97!

If we win it on Sunday maybe the players will get a bit of credit this time.

God willing