21 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Leicester also almost knocked out Atletico. Doesn't mean they're a better team overall. It's the CL. Sometimes you just need good tactics and a bit of luck to win a tie. 2012 should have taught you that.

I swear these lot just fully read this thread then published an article they touch in every point we discussed even in order, but for people in doubt about bringing through the youth this sums it up 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/7/2/15909082/chelsea-loan-system-buyback-baby

 

On 7/1/2017 at 11:03, mickydroysleftpeg said:

I'm disappointed to see him go. What I've seen of Ake he has always looked decent and tons of potential as a ball playing cb. A couple of potential reasons behind Contes thinking.

1. Dave is a rusted on 1st choice. AC may not be comfortable with 2 out of 3 cbs not being tall.

2. Whilst he may be willing to introduce academy players presumably spots are limited. He wants world class proven stars alongside. In the end it may have been a straight decision Ake or Christensen as best long term prospect, one has already had European experience.

3. Conte's system means he wants to spend money in a couple of key positions and $20m is good money in to help fund that.

4. He's decided Chalobah a better dm prospect and that Ake hasn't got a wing back in him. Therefore his chances will be limited to cb only and given the strength and depth conte is planning to build there he cant see Ake getting enough time to keep him happy. Better to let him go now will the value is still there than in a year when disgruntled.

like many others I really want to see these boys break through, im just trying to rationalise the decision to cover my disappointment. Good luck Nathan.

Agree on many points but not the 2nd. I think there is a lot of scope for both of them to be a part. 3 CB system means exactly that: lots of opportunity. Also, DL is 30, GC is 31. Means in a couple of years they may need replacing. All in all, I think we missed a massive step by selling Ake, also wont be surprised if we are in for him in 2 years' time.

He is short on height, and we already have 1 short CB in our starting 11, no way Ake could sneak in.

Selling him was the right choice.
It was his desire too. He see he won`t have a lot of chances and wanted to leave and get regular time.

And some people should get their priority. What exactly someone of you wants? It`s constant crying to bring World Class players, but yet again constant crying to play the youth and to integrate them to the first team, while they are far from ready. If they are not ready materials, you cant integrate them to the first team and to expect to win trophy almost every year.

Loan is for that, to making them ready and if they shows qualities, and we need that type of player, to integrate them to the first team.

Right now i don`t see such players, and the only ones in the past that was ready for first team action and only need to be integrate, was Kevin De Bruyne and Lukaku, but we have the wrong manager for that. And the guilt is on the board. They know Mourinho like and play with experience players. So he wasn`t the perfect to intergrate this players into the first team.

 

 

Edited July 3, 20179 yr by brakeit

Surely we could have done a 1 year loan with him, unless his contract is coming to an end. He's one of the few that looks apart to be part of the team, and we sold him at the first chance we got. That's the thing bothered me the most, we are developing/buying young players just for the sake of making some money. For all the money we have made by selling Ake, Troare etc, we will probably out-spend it by buying back Lukaku. Remember him? It was the exact same story 3 seasons ago. Meanwhile, are we signing world class players? No, they are either not for sell or ridiculously expensive.

4 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Surely we could have done a 1 year loan with him, unless his contract is coming to an end. 

What's the point? If we sign Rudiger and Andreas makes the progress we are hoping to see he would be even further away from a first team spot next summer than he was this.

4 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

That's the thing bothered me the most, we are developing/buying young players just for the sake of making some money.

We give these player's a world class education plus exposure of being at one of the biggest club's in the world (which gives them good loan moves, in some cases to a better level than their actual quality deserves, not naming any names Bamford) and in return we either get a first team player eventually (Courtois was effectively a £50m signing on a free) or a good price to give us funds for a first Xl signing (Ake) or in some cases both (Bertrand).

If City operated this way instead of us, the same people slating the board for a supposed immoral operation would be the first to call them clueless for not having the same foresight.

Edited July 3, 20179 yr by Argo

Honestly, how important could this guy have been.

Could have covered for LWB, CB (if we wanted to push Luiz to CM), DM (could himself play the position if needed).

This transfer is probably the worst piece of business we have done all season long. 

52 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Honestly, how important could this guy have been.

Could have covered for LWB, CB (if we wanted to push Luiz to CM), DM (could himself play the position if needed).

This transfer is probably the worst piece of business we have done all season long. 

I honestly think that if he started the FA cup final we would have won. He is really calm on the ball and has the pace to deal with attackers down the left flank, unlike alonso who is absolutely useless at defending.

3 hours ago, didierforever said:

Honestly, how important could this guy have been.

Could have covered for LWB, CB (if we wanted to push Luiz to CM), DM (could himself play the position if needed).

This transfer is probably the worst piece of business we have done all season long. 

I really liked Ake and would have preferred for him to stay. But as useful a squad player as he was, I honestly think we have better players now in Christensen (as long as he gets to play) and Rudiger.

 

2 hours ago, ivorycoast said:

I honestly think that if he started the FA cup final we would have won. He is really calm on the ball and has the pace to deal with attackers down the left flank, unlike alonso who is absolutely useless at defending.

That's harsh on Alonso. I'm not always convinced by his defending but he has been one of our best performers in the last 2 games.

If you saw Ake against City you would have seen him lose his man for one goal and then try and be clever on the ball and lucky to escape a red card.

27 minutes ago, Nibs said:

I really liked Ake and would have preferred for him to stay. But as useful a squad player as he was, I honestly think we have better players now in Christensen (as long as he gets to play) and Rudiger.

 

That's harsh on Alonso. I'm not always convinced by his defending but he has been one of our best performers in the last 2 games.

If you saw Ake against City you would have seen him lose his man for one goal and then try and be clever on the ball and lucky to escape a red card.

But mate, its not about just CB.

We sold Chalobah within 12 days and Matic a month later. I am sure our board would have had the offers much before those days and would have decided to sell them much before too. In this case, knowing that we are going to lose 2 CMs, knowing that we are "looking to sign Sandro", dont have a LWB back up fit till October, would need a back up CM/CB (if luiz goes), then why not wait till we have these players than sell him. I mean this window has been absolutely shambolic. Very poor planning all around.

21 minutes ago, didierforever said:

But mate, its not about just CB.

We sold Chalobah within 12 days and Matic a month later. I am sure our board would have had the offers much before those days and would have decided to sell them much before too. In this case, knowing that we are going to lose 2 CMs, knowing that we are "looking to sign Sandro", dont have a LWB back up fit till October, would need a back up CM/CB (if luiz goes), then why not wait till we have these players than sell him. I mean this window has been absolutely shambolic. Very poor planning all around.

We didnt decide to sell Chalobah. He decided, Watford payed the fee, he left. We wanted to keep him. 

3 minutes ago, benjsross said:

We didnt decide to sell Chalobah. He decided, Watford payed the fee, he left. We wanted to keep him. 

We needed to accept that fee. Otherwise we would already have john stones and Danny drinkwater. We sold him irrespective of him wanting or not wanting to leave. The last decision was with us, whichever way you put it

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

I really liked Ake and would have preferred for him to stay. But as useful a squad player as he was, I honestly think we have better players now in Christensen (as long as he gets to play) and Rudiger.

 

That's harsh on Alonso. I'm not always convinced by his defending but he has been one of our best performers in the last 2 games.

If you saw Ake against City you would have seen him lose his man for one goal and then try and be clever on the ball and lucky to escape a red card.

I don't think there's much difference between Ake and Christensen, one has just had more opportunities to play at a higher level than the other. 

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

We needed to accept that fee. Otherwise we would already have john stones and Danny drinkwater. We sold him irrespective of him wanting or not wanting to leave. The last decision was with us, whichever way you put it

Im pretty sure it was his decision and he had a buy out clause of £5.5m

29 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I don't think there's much difference between Ake and Christensen, one has just had more opportunities to play at a higher level than the other. 

You may be right but I think in time we will see Christensen is the much better player. He hasn't got the versatility of Ake but all being well, he should become one of our first choice CB's for years to come. Will never forget when he was with the youth team that Viveash or Drummy said he was the best young defender in Europe bar none and hopefully they will be proved right.

 

14 minutes ago, benjsross said:

Im pretty sure it was his decision and he had a buy out clause of £5.5m

Hhahaha. ANd this is based on which source, please tell me that.

This is the first time i am hearing of a chalobah buy-out clause (specially since you are pretty sure)

47 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Hhahaha. ANd this is based on which source, please tell me that.

This is the first time i am hearing of a chalobah buy-out clause (specially since you are pretty sure)

Ah sorry i was mistaken. 

Chalobah had 1 year left, was offered a new contract, but said he wanted to leave. I wondered why the fee was so low and just assumed that was why. 

4 minutes ago, benjsross said:

Ah sorry i was mistaken. 

Chalobah had 1 year left, was offered a new contract, but said he wanted to leave. I wondered why the fee was so low and just assumed that was why. 

No Issue Mate.

Ultimately it was in the board's hand. One of Ake, Chalo, Matic should have stayed until we had got a replacement.

I dont run a multi-billion business but even i make sure that we have a vendor already placed before shoving off the current one.

Just now, didierforever said:

No Issue Mate.

Ultimately it was in the board's hand. One of Ake, Chalo, Matic should have stayed until we had got a replacement.

I dont run a multi-billion business but even i make sure that we have a vendor already placed before shoving off the current one.

I think Conte is slightly at fault for Matic. We didnt take him on the preseason tour, not sure why but I imagine Conte had a say in that.

Matic should have looked and felt like a Chelsea player right up until we sold him. Then we could have waited until we had a replacement lined up much more convincingly. Now we need to sign a replacement - so its tricky - and we were more pressured into accepting a decent bid. 

Chalobah had to go. He asked, has 1 year left, hes been loyal for years and by all accounts was told by Southgate he would be called up if he did leave. How can you force a player to stay in those circumstances. 

Just now, benjsross said:

I think Conte is slightly at fault for Matic. We didnt take him on the preseason tour, not sure why but I imagine Conte had a say in that.

Matic should have looked and felt like a Chelsea player right up until we sold him. Then we could have waited until we had a replacement lined up much more convincingly. Now we need to sign a replacement - so its tricky - and we were more pressured into accepting a decent bid. 

Chalobah had to go. He asked, has 1 year left, hes been loyal for years and by all accounts was told by Southgate he would be called up if he did leave. How can you force a player to stay in those circumstances. 

Ultimately we have to do what is best for us.

I would rather that Chalobah sit disgruntled for a month until we buy a replacement than we getting screwed.

Also, apparently, we knew about the Bakayoko situation. Apparently, his ijury was the reason for the delay, meaning Conte/board knew that he would be unavailable and we would be down to just Kante and Cesc. And yet we sold Nat, matic, ake.