Last night 'put to bed' why he didn't make it here. He was erratic, poor in his decision making and positionally all over place. Good defenders know when to make a challenge, when to usher the opponent into the path of a team mate and when to intercept the ball. Their stats like many like to quote may not be spectacular,they have though done their job for the team. Papy last night displayed none of the qualities.

Christensen scored two and had a good effort just off target. He is good on the ball, he is part of defensive unit though that gift chances so again question marks are asked about his defending. He is though only 19 and will learn from this experience.

Last night 'put to bed' why he didn't make it here. He was erratic, poor in his decision making and positionally all over place. Good defenders know when to make a challenge, when to usher the opponent into the path of a team mate and when to intercept the ball. Their stats like many like to quote may not be spectacular,they have though done their job for the team. Papy last night displayed none of the qualities.

Christensen scored two and had a good effort just off target. He is good on the ball, he is part of defensive unit though that gift chances so again question marks are asked about his defending. He is though only 19 and will learn from this experience.

 

Hogwash. That didn't put anything to bed. One poor game does not undermine the fact that he has been consistently the best player on his Ligue 1 side, had 2 tremendous games for Werder Bremen (where the consensus is he was an utter monster). The entire Werder Bremen team played poorly and a defender can shoot his confidence by some bad decisions early in the game.

 

I've watched Djilobodji in some 20+ games and I can guarantee he knows when to make a challenge, when to usher an opponent int the path of a team mate and above all he is crazy good at intercepting the ball when required. Additionally much of his positional issues were caused by Guwara who constantly kept Werder's left flank exposed and Djilobodji had to consistenly be in two places at once.

 

As for positioning: He just moved to Werder Bremen, thrown straight into the deep end after not playing for over half a year and it is only to be expected that his positioning is off. Zouma, Ivanovic, Cahill and especially David Luiz have had numerous games where there have been as bad if not worse.

 

I admit this is the worst performance I have ever seen him play, but everyone can have an off game. And again: It doesn't help that the midfield was non-existent and his defensive partner was much worse than him. He was still by far the best defender in a very poor Werder defence.

 

I find it appauling that one bad performance is supposed to undermine the overall quality of a player. If that were the case then every single player at Chelsea should never have made it here, because they've been just as poor more than once.

Edited February 6, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

http://footyroom.com/borussia-mgladbach-5-1-werder-bremen-2016-02/

 

Goal by goal:

1:0 - Probably should have tackled, but made a half-hearted effort. Still there were four Werder players and there were multiple options to stop the goal. Its not like he was the las defender.

2:0 - A bit lethargic in defence, but not directly responsible for the goal, probably should have been more active though.

3:0 - Tried his best, but the corner delivery was above his head and there was nothing he could do.

4:0 - His own teammate nutmegged him, nothing he could do about that.

5:0 - Screamer from outside the area.

 

At worst he was partially responsible for 2 of the 5 goals.

Edited February 6, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

It's almost painful at this point.

Hogwash. That didn't put anything to bed. One poor game does not undermine the fact that he has been consistently the best player on his Ligue 1 side, had 2 tremendous games for Werder Bremen (where the consensus is he was an utter monster). The entire Werder Bremen team played poorly and a defender can shoot his confidence by some bad decisions early in the game.

 

I've watched Djilobodji in some 20+ games and I can guarantee he knows when to make a challenge, when to usher an opponent int the path of a team mate and above all he is crazy good at intercepting the ball when required. Additionally much of his positional issues were caused by Guwara who constantly kept Werder's left flank exposed and Djilobodji had to consistenly be in two places at once.

 

As for positioning: He just moved to Werder Bremen, thrown straight into the deep end after not playing for over half a year and it is only to be expected that his positioning is off. Zouma, Ivanovic, Cahill and especially David Luiz have had numerous games where there have been as bad if not worse.

 

I admit this is the worst performance I have ever seen him play, but everyone can have an off game. And again: It doesn't help that the midfield was non-existent and his defensive partner was much worse than him. He was still by far the best defender in a very poor Werder defence.

 

I find it appauling that one bad performance is supposed to undermine the overall quality of a player. If that were the case then every single player at Chelsea should never have made it here, because they've been just as poor more than once.

 

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, you think he's the second coming , I think the coaches at our club got it right.

http://footyroom.com/borussia-mgladbach-5-1-werder-bremen-2016-02/

 

Goal by goal:

1:0 - Probably should have tackled, but made a half-hearted effort. Still there were four Werder players and there were multiple options to stop the goal. Its not like he was the las defender.

2:0 - A bit lethargic in defence, but not directly responsible for the goal, probably should have been more active though.

3:0 - Tried his best, but the corner delivery was above his head and there was nothing he could do.

4:0 - His own teammate nutmegged him, nothing he could do about that.

5:0 - Screamer from outside the area.

 

At worst he was partially responsible for 2 of the 5 goals.

and you haven't mentioned the failed interceptions , failure to hold any kind of a line or the comically missed header at the halfway line. A poor championship defender is about his standard.

and you haven't mentioned the failed interceptions , failure to hold any kind of a line or the comically missed header at the halfway line. A poor championship defender is about his standard.

 

And you haven't mentioned the successful interceptions (6 total yesterday) and the fact that in the previous two games he was dominant in the air and on the ground (some 80+% of challenges won). Champions League starter is about his standard based on those two games.

 

Again: Making an attack on him on the basis of one poor game after having 70+ high quality games for Nantes and 2 world class performances for Werder is disingenious.

 

You need to take a backburner. If we judged players based on the worst game they've played than all current Chelsea players are poor championship level at best.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, you think he's the second coming , I think the coaches at our club got it right.

 

I think he's the best defender we had, but never gave him a chance. In the long run Zouma will probably be better, but he's not there yet. And obviously Terry was better in his prime. That's about it. Unlike most of you people I've seen him play more than 1 game.

 

The first two games at Werder proved my point of view. The last game proved yours. Its a given Djilobodji will have a decent runout at Werder as he's their best defender. So by the end of a season we will have a better picture and no one game will summarize him. Given how consistent Djilobodji normally is I sincerely doubt I'll be wrong.

 

And given Chelsea's track record with players like Kevin de Bruyne and such... I have no faith whatsoever in Chelsea coaches.

I think he's the best defender we had,

What a ridiculous claim, I'm guessing your either from the same town as him or you are him.

Didgeridoo a better defender than John Terry, Gary Cahill?

Players who have literally won everything there is to win?

Players who won things in a team built around a solid defensive core.

John Terry alone has probably forget more about defending than Papa Don't Preach could ever dream of knowing.

There's a reason why he's never played in Europe, there's a reason why he's barely capped at international level and there's a reason why it was a relegation threatened side with the worst goal difference in their league that were the ones desperate enough to take a punt on him.

Didgeridoo a better defender than John Terry, Gary Cahill?

Players who have literally won everything there is to win?

Players who won things in a team built around a solid defensive core.

John Terry alone has probably forget more about defending than Papa Don't Preach could ever dream of knowing.

There's a reason why he's never played in Europe, there's a reason why he's barely capped at international level and there's a reason why it was a relegation threatened side with the worst goal difference in their league that were the ones desperate enough to take a punt on him.

Cos the famous Jon Stakes likes him perhaps?

Didgeridoo a better defender than John Terry, Gary Cahill?

 

John Terry in his prime is obviously better (and one of the best of his generation), but John Terry is way past his prime. Lets just accept that and move on.

 

Yes. And the reason is poor scouting. Something that Emenalo actually put right by buying him. There is a reason Djilobodji was the best player in a Ligue 1 team, he was the main reason they avoided relegation thanks to multiple heroics and there is a reason all the big Ligue 1 clubs (maybe save for PSG) were in for him. As for Senegal - if you look at the Senegal squad they have immense competition in the CB spot. The first choice duo isn't necessarily better but Senegal has a lot of top class defenders (Koulibaly of Napoli, Kouyate of West Ham, Kara Mbodj of Anderlecht, Lamine Sane of Bordeaux)

So if he's so sooper doopery amazingly awesome, why was only one if the worst top flight teams in Germany that were in for him in January?

Marseille was also in for him. 

 

The second reason is European scouting isn't what its hyped to be.

 

I'll shut up now. We have half a season: We'll see if he's plays like a world beater (vide first two games for Werder) or like a chump (vide yesterday's game). If the latter I will eat humble pie. I expect a mass apology from you guys if I'm right. (Not sure what the scenario is if he does good, just not spectacular).

Scouting? Seriously? Yeah, go on then.....

John Terry in his prime is obviously better (and one of the best of his generation), but John Terry is way past his prime. Lets just accept that and move on.

Yes. And the reason is poor scouting. Something that Emenalo actually put right by buying him. There is a reason Djilobodji was the best player in a Ligue 1 team, he was the main reason they avoided relegation thanks to multiple heroics and there is a reason all the big Ligue 1 clubs (maybe save for PSG) were in for him. As for Senegal - if you look at the Senegal squad they have immense competition in the CB spot. The first choice duo isn't necessarily better but Senegal has a lot of top class defenders (Koulibaly of Napoli, Kouyate of West Ham, Kara Mbodj of Anderlecht, Lamine Sane of Bordeaux)

A past his prime JT is still a better player, no ifs, no buts, no maybes.

If all the top clubs in France wanted him in the summer, do you mot think his agent would have sounded them out in January to make them aware he was available on loan?

Instead he ends up in Germany in the worst defence in their league.

The only thing Emenalo put right was getting shot of a clearly inadequate player after only half a season and replacing him immediately with Miazga.

I do have to admit this discussion about him has totally grabbed me. I may have to start paying attention to the German league.

Grmmmphhh.

A past his prime JT is still a better player, no ifs, no buts, no maybes.

If all the top clubs in France wanted him in the summer, do you mot think his agent would have sounded them out in January to make them aware he was available on loan?

Instead he ends up in Germany in the worst defence in their league.

The only thing Emenalo put right was getting shot of a clearly inadequate player after only half a season and replacing him immediately with Miazga.

 

Nah, just accept it and move on. Don't confuse him with facts ;)

John Terry in his prime is obviously better (and one of the best of his generation), but John Terry is way past his prime. 

 

I stopped reading after that. This way past his prime player was rated the best CB in the league only 6 months ago and also viewed by many as the best CB the Premier League has ever had. That doesn't sound like a player that is WAY past his prime.

If all the top clubs in France wanted him in the summer, do you mot think his agent would have sounded them out in January to make them aware he was available on loan?

Instead he ends up in Germany in the worst defence in their league.

 

Marseille and Monaco both made a loan bid for him in January. As did Stuttgart. FACT. Espanyol and Benfica were also reportedly interested.

 

The reason he ended up in Germany is either because a) Werder offered a better deal to Chelsea (its no secret that German clubs are in general richer); b) Papy didn't want to go back to France and preferred Germany. In all likelihood option a) because Werder knew they needed to shore up their defence. I don't know why, but lets not skew the truth by making erroneous claims.

 

We can disagree about other stuff, but lets not skew the facts.

Edited February 7, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

As its a fact you will have evidence of these supposed loan offers I guess.

We can disagree about other stuff, but lets not skew the facts.

Says the person stating that a player who at the age of 27 with just two seasons experience in the top flight and having won the grand sum of nothing is a better defender than John Terry.

Let's not forget this is John Terry whose ability has gained the below recognition for his performances

UEFA Club Defender of the Year: 2005, 2008, 2009

?UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009

?UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year (substitute; published 2015)

Also voted into last seasons PFA team of the year.

Basically if we're dealing with facts. The facts show Djilobodji is a below average player, always has been and always will be.

Marseille and Monaco both made a loan bid for him in January. As did Stuttgart. FACT. Espanyol and Benfica were also reportedly interested.

 

The reason he ended up in Germany is either because a) Werder offered a better deal to Chelsea (its no secret that German clubs are in general richer); b) Papy didn't want to go back to France and preferred Germany. In all likelihood option a) because Werder knew they needed to shore up their defence. I don't know why, but lets not skew the truth by making erroneous claims.

 

We can disagree about other stuff, but lets not skew the facts.

I thought the reason was that he was guaranteed to start at Bremen.

Also I will agree with you that he is massively underrated on this forum and by Chelsea fans in general, as he is probably a decent Europa league defender and is definitely worth more than we paid for him. 

But to claim he is our best defender is quite frankly ridiculous. He was bought as a back up and was only good enough to be a back up, but saying that to be a back up at Chelsea you have to be a decent player. 

Edited February 7, 201610 yr by PedroMendez

As its a fact you will have evidence of these supposed loan offers I guess.

 

Media reports and I can confirm that Marseille approached Chelsea for the loan. If thats not enough to state it as a fact, then at minimum its a highly probable fact. All in all their is much more to support the stance that Djilobodji had many suitors as compared to the claim he had none but Werder.

 

PedroMendez is also right that Djilobodji was guaranteed to start at Werder. Albeit Marseille has Nkoulou as their nr 1, but Djilobodji would definitely get a shot at CB given how iffy defenders Rolando and Rekik are.

Edited February 7, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

Says the person stating that a player who at the age of 27 with just two seasons experience in the top flight and having won the grand sum of nothing is a better defender than John Terry.

Let's not forget this is John Terry whose ability has gained the below recognition for his performances

UEFA Club Defender of the Year: 2005, 2008, 2009

?UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009

?UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year (substitute; published 2015)

Also voted into last seasons PFA team of the year.

Basically if we're dealing with facts. The facts show Djilobodji is a below average player, always has been and always will be.

 

a) You're beating a dead horse. Terry in his prime is a legend and I said so at least twice. But OK - fairplay. I love John Terry and he is possibly the best defender in the world in his last 10-15 years. So lets just leave this comparison and lets say I concede.

 

b) The facts show that Djilobodji has superb stats (Whoscored: 7,31 2014/2015 27rd highest rating in Ligue 1, 7,26 2013/2014 19th highest rating in Ligue 1, averaging over 13 defensive actions per game, basically a one-man army in defence, best player at Nantes for 2 seasons running as per Whoscored and Squawka) and was widely held as Nantes best player (and even voted as such by players and fans). Anything else is conjecture based on what clubs he's played for and not his actual onfield quality. If you have ANY FACTS that show otherwise please do share them with us.