It's you.

You're welcome.

Hey ain't the one with the post.

Ouch your opinion hurts. This bellend can still spell better than you though. Still b*ttmad from last yr I see.

 

 

Did my spelling affect your ability to read the post? 

Couple of additions? Aren't most people looking for us to spend the best part of £100 million in key areas like midfield and defence basically creating a new spine for this team? At the moment I think we're a long way off being a title challenger, especially if we have another Summer like last year.

And if we don't get an offside goal in the 98th minute against Everton then we lose, or if Arsenal don't get reduced to ten men etc...These things seem to have evened out.

PSG are a better team, but so are Everton apparently. They've beaten us twice this year (once under Jose, once under Guus) and that suggests that there are real issues with this team that aren't dependent on the coach at the time. That's what people are saying, not that Guus hasn't done a decent job but that he's done about as well as ANY coach could've with the resources at his disposal.

Some people are saying rather than simply regurgitating the '15 games unbeaten*' spiel that we should look at the level of opponent we've faced, and Offside did a perfect job of that.

Basically, against a similar level of opposition at home we've accrued the same number of points and against weaker opposition away from home we've got more. That isn't a cause for celebration is it?

I didn't say it was a cause for celebration, but I do think it's a cause for optimism.

Especially when you take into account we will strengthen in the summer.

Considering all the problems we have had this season, and all the doomsday post we get on here (not levelled at yourself), being the 3rd best team over nearly half a season is reason to be optimistic for next season.

I didn't say Everton are a better side, but the FA Cup game was a tough fixture.

I know you are of the opinion that most of gus"s wins have came against teams out of form, and most of the draws have came against teams in form, but I'm not sure that really changes the fact that we have performed 3rd best in the league since he's come in.

Teams on or off form is the nature of the game. Results have improved a lot even if performanceshe haven't been at the level we achieved last season. For that alone I think gus deserves more credit than he is getting.

I also don't really put weight on the unbeaten run, i don't think it tells the whole story. My opinions are based on the form table.

This bellend can still spell better than you though. Still b*ttmad from last yr I see.

 

Is that so? Just about every-time you chide a poster for their spelling you get something wrong yourself (ie. in this post of yours above and post 867 as well - which is not a sentence): a tip - when both spelling and grammar are not your forte (which in your case they're clearly not), don't play the ad hominem. 

Edited April 4, 201610 yr by youlots

I didn't say it was a cause for celebration, but I do think it's a cause for optimism.

Especially when you take into account we will strengthen in the summer.

 

 

You'd assume so, but we all assumed that last summer. Let's wait and see maybe?

 

Considering all the problems we have had this season, and all the doomsday post we get on here (not levelled at yourself), being the 3rd best team over nearly half a season is reason to be optimistic for next season.

I didn't say Everton are a better side, but the FA Cup game was a tough fixture.

 

You don't get prizes for performance over half a season and that's because seasons are designed so you play teams twice over a long period. Taking just a small sample size and repeating something is great but isn't it more fun to look a little deeper at what really happened?

 

I actually think Everton on their day are a better side at this moment in time. I think they're wildly inconsistent but the results tell their own story. We were very lucky to get one draw against them and not be beaten on all three occasions.

 

 

I know you are of the opinion that most of gus"s wins have came against teams out of form, and most of the draws have came against teams in form, but I'm not sure that really changes the fact that we have performed 3rd best in the league since he's come in.

 

 

Go back and read what I actually posted and Offside's post after that where he supported my points (still not sure if intentionally or not). Again it's about looking beyond the headline of 'unbeaten in 15 games*' and actually analysing the level of opposition.

 

Teams on or off form is the nature of the game. Results have improved a lot even if performanceshe haven't been at the level we achieved last season. For that alone I think gus deserves more credit than he is getting.

 

 

They haven't improved at home though. Away from home you can point to two outlying results (Southampton and Arsenal) but you haven't actually mentioned those games specifically which is odd. Based on what I've read you post, I wouldn't have suspected you simply to focus on the banner headline.

 

I also don't really put weight on the unbeaten run, i don't think it tells the whole story. My opinions are based on the form table.

 

Except they're not though. The one thing you're very defiantly ignoring is form - specifically the form of teams we've faced. 

 

For instance when we faced Norwich they were on a run of 7 losses and 1 draw in their previous 8.

We faced Palace when they were in the middle of a run of 9 games without victory in 11 games.

Aston Villa have lost 9 of their last 10 games, including a 6-0 home loss to Liverpool.

 

So if you do care about form then talk about it in your posts, but don't pretend it matters for the sake of it. I get that it's boring to look at results in context but imagine if you were betting on games - wouldn't it be something you'd consider then?

Edited April 4, 201610 yr by ShedEnder91

Is that so? Just about every-time you chide a poster for their spelling you get something wrong yourself (ie. in this post of yours above and post 867 as well - which is not a sentence): a tip - when both spelling and grammar are not your forte (which in your case they're clearly not), don't play the ad hominem.

forte? ad hominem? new ones I see. Pls don't play the advisor, its unbefitting. Liked it better when your post was just dirge and other insulting grammar.

Edited April 4, 201610 yr by lesblues

Did my spelling affect your ability to read the post?

Not at all. Going through many of your posts, I'm baffled an idiot spells better than you.

Ouch your opinion hurts. This bellend can still spell better than you though. Still b*ttmad from last yr I see.

Way to go champ, great spelling.

 

Hey ain't the one with the post.

Oh....unlucky.

Not at all. Going through many of your posts, I'm baffled an idiot spells better than you.

 

Come on mate, just leave it out. Every time I see you post it's either passive aggressive or flat-out insulting and there's no need for it. If you disagree with someone then do it respectfully or just ignore them.

 

I don't know if it's something you can control or that you're aware of so I'm not going to have a pop at you because we've all known people who have those personality quirks, but for the sake of maintaining a decent level of discussion and maybe stopping you from being asked to leave perhaps it's time to take a breather. OK?

Way to go champ, great spelling.

Oh....unlucky.

Mate pls, you should be the last one to post. Might be difficult but pls do recall.

forte? ad hominem? new ones I see. Pls don't play the advisor, its unbefitting. Liked it better when your post was just dirge and other insulting grammar.

 

so....let me get this straight: first you pull up a poster over something which adds nothing substantive to the thread (and in circumstances where there was absolutely nothing wrong with that poster's spelling)  and in doing so, you yourself make mistakes on the issue that you identify as so important. In so doing you derail the thread. Then, for good measure, rather than admit it & take advice in relation to same, you launch into other ad hominem attacks. One of the reasons why this site has gone down hill this season is you. You are a persistent troll who rarely if ever has any comment of any merit whatsoever. All you generally do is cause division. It will be a good day when you're finally banned from this site.  

Come on mate, just leave it out. Every time I see you post it's either passive aggressive or flat-out insulting and there's no need for it. If you disagree with someone then do it respectfully or just ignore them.

I don't know if it's something you can control or that you're aware of so I'm not going to have a pop at you because we've all known people who have those personality quirks, but for the sake of maintaining a decent level of discussion and maybe stopping you from being asked to leave perhaps it's time to take a breather. OK?

I would have heeded to your post, problem is it's selective. Am i the only one " passively aggressive" or "flat out insulting" here?. Also please dont involve in things you know nothing about. Enjoy your 'likes' though, well earned.

so....let me get this straight: first you pull up a poster over something which adds nothing substantive to the thread (and in circumstances where there was absolutely nothing wrong with that poster's spelling) and in doing so, you yourself make mistakes on the issue that you identify as so important. In so doing you derail the thread. Then, for good measure, rather than admit it & take advice in relation to same, you launch into other ad hominem attacks. One of the reasons why this site has gone down hill this season is you. You are a persistent troll who rarely if ever has any comment of any merit whatsoever. All you generally do is cause division. It will be a good day when you're finally banned from this site.

Last line was a good laugh mate, thought you said you were "most hated" here. Have I frustrated you that much?, in cloud 9 presently :). Oh a little lesson in history for shedend91, pls tell him I told you everyone can be immature when you were reveling in your childish acts.

Sorry youlots I didn't read your post when I posted my previous post. Did you mention I never have anything objective to offer?. My sides!, mate you're losing touch. You do realize that's ironic.

You'd assume so, but we all assumed that last summer. Let's wait and see maybe?

You don't get prizes for performance over half a season and that's because seasons are designed so you play teams twice over a long period. Taking just a small sample size and repeating something is great but isn't it more fun to look a little deeper at what really happened?

I actually think Everton on their day are a better side at this moment in time. I think they're wildly inconsistent but the results tell their own story. We were very lucky to get one draw against them and not be beaten on all three occasions.

Go back and read what I actually posted and Offside's post after that where he supported my points (still not sure if intentionally or not). Again it's about looking beyond the headline of 'unbeaten in 15 games*' and actually analysing the level of opposition.

They haven't improved at home though. Away from home you can point to two outlying results (Southampton and Arsenal) but you haven't actually mentioned those games specifically which is odd. Based on what I've read you post, I wouldn't have suspected you simply to focus on the banner headline.

Except they're not though. The one thing you're very defiantly ignoring is form - specifically the form of teams we've faced.

For instance when we faced Norwich they were on a run of 7 losses and 1 draw in their previous 8.

We faced Palace when they were in the middle of a run of 9 games without victory in 11 games.

Aston Villa have lost 9 of their last 10 games, including a 6-0 home loss to Liverpool.

So if you do care about form then talk about it in your posts, but don't pretend it matters for the sake of it. I get that it's boring to look at results in context but imagine if you were betting on games - wouldn't it be something you'd consider then?

In any season we will play teams in and out of form. Has gus had it easy because we have played teams out of form?

Does it change the fact that, we have performed 3rd best in the league since Hiddink took over? I care more about our form than I do about other teams. So when we won the league last season, I didn't go back through the fixtures putting asterix's next to games.

In the context of the season, taking into account where we were when Hiddink took over, what were you expecting? What would you considered a good job?

I personally was hoping to see us pick up form, we did, climb the table, we did, and blood some of the youngsters, we are. A trophy or cl qualification would have been a massive bonus.

Everyone was upset at our bad form. In what world does being bitter about Jose mean they were celebrating it

I'm just using the comment about us celebrating mediocrity against the poster. No one is celebrating mediocrity but the facts speak for themselves.

I'm not a fan with blind optimism but just seeing how this season has gone gives me real belief about next season. I actually think we have a good enough squad to get top 4 and with a few additions more than capable enough of winning the league.

This league is not strong at all. There isn't a Barca Real or Bayern to stop us. In Europe we have a very slim chance as are every other club outside that trio.

Just can't stand fans playing down our chances compared to the likes of bloody Everton Arsenal, Liverpool and Utd. City are the only club that when on top form I will say are stronger than us. Everyone else are the same level.

In any season we will play teams in and out of form. Has gus had it easy because we have played teams out of form?

Does it change the fact that, we have performed 3rd best in the league since Hiddink took over? I care more about our form than I do about other teams. So when we won the league last season, I didn't go back through the fixtures putting asterix's next to games.

In the context of the season, taking into account where we were when Hiddink took over, what were you expecting? What would you considered a good job?

I personally was hoping to see us pick up form, we did, climb the table, we did, and blood some of the youngsters, we are. A trophy or cl qualification would have been a massive bonus.

 

Look, all the points I've made about form and the analysis of our opponents are in the last couple of pages of this thread so they're there if you want to acknowledge them. I totally understand your view and that you're happy with what's happened so that's great, he's put smiles on faces.

 

But let's not go over and over avoiding points and posting pablum. 

 

What I expected from Guus was what we've got. I thought trophies were out of the question, I thought there would be a slight bump but based on what he's done over the last few years I wasn't expecting anything to change too much, especially after the January transfer dealings. I thought we'd see a benefit from having a coach with no expectations for the future who could look simply for close results rather than going for wins and that's basically what we've seen. I'll thank Guus when he goes but at the moment he's probably reached every expectation I had and not exceeded any, except for the Southampton game and the use of Miazga in the last game.

Basically, against a similar level of opposition at home we've accrued the same number of points and against weaker opposition away from home we've got more. That isn't a cause for celebration is it?

Understatement much? We've gotten more away for sure. 17th versus 1st!

The fact that we were 16th when Jose left and are 3rd since Guus took over its major cause for celebration.

I don't understand why a good chunk of fans seemingly want the team to perform poorly under Guus and will go to lengths to convince themselves of it.

Understatement much? We've gotten more away for sure. 17th versus 1st!

The fact that we were 16th when Jose left and are 3rd since Guus took over its major cause for celebration.

I don't understand why a good chunk of fans seemingly want the team to perform poorly under Guus and will go to lengths to convince themselves of it.

 

Are you being sponsored by someone to bring up that same point about us being third? If it's for charity I'll willingly donate but please stop. I think everyone is well aware of the face value statistic by now.

 

The reason you don't understand that is because it's not true. It's something you might have invented yourself or seen elsewhere but I think you're confusing fans looking at the level of opponent we've faced and factoring that into their analysis.

 

What's strange is that you yourself have posted the statistics but seem to be ignoring them. Maybe it's my fault for not making myself clearer and if that's the case, I apologise.

To quote some of the last posts from lesblues:

'Still having difficulty figuring out who's the bellend, you or I. Posts such as this...'

'Ouch your opinion hurts. This bellend can still spell better than you though. Still b*ttmad from last yr I see.'

forte? ad hominem? new ones I see. Pls don't play the advisor, its unbefitting. Liked it better when your post was just dirge and other insulting grammar

Not at all. Going through many of your posts, I'm baffled an idiot spells better than you.

Mate pls, you should be the last one to post. Might be difficult but pls do recall.

Last line was a good laugh mate, thought you said you were "most hated" here. Have I frustrated you that much?, in cloud 9 presently :). Oh a little lesson in history for shedend91, pls tell him I told you everyone can be immature when you were reveling in your childish acts.

Sorry youlots I didn't read your post when I posted my previous post. Did you mention I never have anything objective to offer?. My sides!, mate you're losing touch. You do realize that's ironic.

Nasty, spiteful, childish, piece of work. The definition of WUM.

Look, all the points I've made about form and the analysis of our opponents are in the last couple of pages of this thread so they're there if you want to acknowledge them. I totally understand your view and that you're happy with what's happened so that's great, he's put smiles on faces.

But let's not go over and over avoiding points and posting pablum.

What I expected from Guus was what we've got. I thought trophies were out of the question, I thought there would be a slight bump but based on what he's done over the last few years I wasn't expecting anything to change too much, especially after the January transfer dealings. I thought we'd see a benefit from having a coach with no expectations for the future who could look simply for close results rather than going for wins and that's basically what we've seen. I'll thank Guus when he goes but at the moment he's probably reached every expectation I had and not exceeded any, except for the Southampton game and the use of Miazga in the last game.

If you totally understand my point of view, then why quote me in the first place? I wasn't responding to you in my original post.

If Hiddink has met your expections, then in your opinion has he done a good job?

I'm not going to go back and read your post about other teams form,

as I have repeatedly said for me it doesn't matter in the bigger picture as to whether gus has done a good job. For you it matters, which is fine. I didn't quote you in the 1st place!

Anyways just seen conte has been officially announced so here's to hoping he brings success.

I'm not a fan with blind optimism but just seeing how this season has gone gives me real belief about next season. I actually think we have a good enough squad to get top 4 and with a few additions more than capable enough of winning the league.

 

I am usually very optimistic and I think we need reinforcements for that.

I think Guus has achieved what he was asked to achieve - to steady the ship. He has not been perfect in every facet since he took over but I make absolutely no criticism of him for that: I was very relieved that he was available at such short notice & he has managed to galvanize what in reality is a pretty average squad when we compare that squad to years gone by. I think when he took over all I expected was for this squad to achieve a mid-table finish and that's been achieved. True it is that results at home have been poorish but we've done pretty well away. It's been a very odd season in so many respects: obviously very disappointing for us but in a sense I feel that we've been overdue for such a season - I mean we've had an incredible decade or so. I am very concerned about our trades at the end of the season because I feel very pretty underwhelmed with most of our trading over the last 3 years. Anyway - a new beginning for a different sort of Chels next year I expect which in itself is exciting.

Are you being sponsored by someone to bring up that same point about us being third? If it's for charity I'll willingly donate but please stop. I think everyone is well aware of the face value statistic by now.

The reason you don't understand that is because it's not true. It's something you might have invented yourself or seen elsewhere but I think you're confusing fans looking at the level of opponent we've faced and factoring that into their analysis.

What's strange is that you yourself have posted the statistics but seem to be ignoring them. Maybe it's my fault for not making myself clearer and if that's the case, I apologise.

Instead of an ad hominem dig, could you explain why you're dismissing the argument about us being in 3rd versus 16th overall?

Statistics can be interpreted many ways. You are interpreting them to support your preconceived notions, and perhaps I am too. We can argue until our next lives over what the statistics do or do not show.

Numbers don't tell the full story. Quantitative data provides a limited picture. Qualitative data is important but is difficult to work with because it's subjective and not suited for mathematical analysis.

Would you say that qualitatively we are playing at the same level as before at home where we are supposedly close to the same? I personally like what I see more.

Instead of an ad hominem dig, could you explain why you're dismissing the argument about us being in 3rd versus 16th overall?

 

 

Firstly, there's no ad hominem just some levity in a dry debate. But if you felt there was one then I apologise.

 

Secondly, I'm not dismissing it. How could I? It's a statement of fact. What I'm saying is that it needs context.

 

Statistics can be interpreted many ways. You are interpreting them to support your preconceived notions, and perhaps I am too. We can argue until our next lives over what the statistics do or do not show.

 

Again, the statistics you've presented don't support your argument. They tend to support mine although I've acknowledged the outliers and applauded Guus for them.

 

Numbers don't tell the full story. Quantitative data provides a limited picture. Qualitative data is important but is difficult to work with because it's subjective and not suited for mathematical analysis.

 

OK.

 

Would you say that qualitatively we are playing at the same level as before at home where we are supposedly close to the same? I personally like what I see more.

 

I think some players are performing better, mainly Costa and I've said before that he looks fitter than he did earlier in the season which makes sense. I think other players like Willian have probably performed a little worse but again that might be a fatigue thing.

 

Overall I think we've probably looked a bit better but in both instances we were flawed, mid-table quality teams. We weakened the squad in the summer and certain players have underperformed all year, but I think in appointing a coach who is only thinking about the here and now we've probably improved in the way other relegation candidates do when they make similar changes.

Edited April 4, 201610 yr by ShedEnder91