Like chelsea, has been shown to be a shadow of what he once was...

Thanks for trying guus. Not good enough though so please move on and let our under 21 boss or someone from the youth set up come in and take over.

Maybe they will give the kids a good shot.

Guus has a contract until the end of the season so that won't happen, but theoretically I like the idea.

 

Guus was only a stable force for the club! He was never going to be anything more than that but the way Emenalo was talking on behalf of the club in December it was almost as if they expected the interim manager to have us playing to levels that we saw last season when this was completely unrealistic from the onset.

 

I like Guus a lot especially since he coached us previously with success and he coached the Australian National Team but it's clear appointing him hasn't made much of a difference if at all.

 

Yes results have improved slightly but I'm going to guess that the club is more taken aback by the fact that the squad is indeed poor and that they backed the wrong horse and there's no way out of this mess like previously.

 

In the circumstances Guus has been decent but there's nothing to boast about here. He'll see out his role in May, receive a nice pay pack before his retirement and the club will be confronted by serious problems that it needs to confront head on if we want to get out of this mess but the only problem is I don't have faith in them fixing it because they've never actually been confronted by a challenge like this.

I think Hiddink has done pretty damn well considering what he inherited..... unless people really think the relegation form was 100% down to Mourinho.....well, anyone still pulling that leg?

Guus isn't the problem at all and he can only work with what he's got.

 

He's taken on a challenge managing a bunch of spineless cowards but even he can't work miracles here.

And it's that very same mindset that has stopped us evolving as a club.

So you think it's right for us to allow Jose to relegate us? Wow, this is the reason why Jose himself thought he was bigger than the club and he thought he will get away with what he did with Eva and the bad results we have had consecutively in the beginning of the season. But interestingly Roman won't tolerate his ego and all those rubbish after investing a lot of money in this club.

I think Hiddink has done pretty damn well considering what he inherited..... unless people really think the relegation form was 100% down to Mourinho.....well, anyone still pulling that leg?

 

The squad that Hiddink inherited was a squad that Jose built, so yes it is his fault. It was Jose that wanted good players gone. When you look at some of the worst players in 2015, Matic, Cesc, Costa, were Jose purchases.  

Edited March 13, 201610 yr by kiwi1691

So you think it's right for us to allow Jose to relegate us? Wow, this is the reason why Jose himself thought he was bigger than the club and he thought he will get away with what he did with Eva and the bad results we have had consecutively in the beginning of the season. But interestingly Roman won't tolerate his ego and all those rubbish after investing a lot of money in this club.

Why are you making it sound like it was a certainty that we would be relegated under Jose? We hadn't even reached the halfway point of the season by the time he was sacked and you're making claims that relegation was a foregone conclusion and that there was no chance he would turn it around anyway.

 

We weren't in the bottom three when we he was sacked. The situation was bad at the time which is widely acknowledged by everyone including those who didn't want him sacked, but we still produced good results in the Champions League group stages and a bit of luck and continuity could have seen us lift up the ladder after that in the EPL especially with the transfer window nearing when he was sacked. 

 

Jose's last few months were poor but everyone was poor within the club. Judging Jose on three months is intellectually dishonest, but you've already made up your mind that he caused all these problems. Wake up and smell the coffee that there's bigger problems than Jose because if it were down to him only we would have seen our form return to the levels that we witnessed last season but it hasn't happened.

 

After all Jose didn't have the benefit of a transfer window to address some deficiencies in the short-term and had the club backed him instead of throwing toys out of the pram it would have sent a message to the players to either put up or shut up.

 

What happened with Eva caused unnecessary media attention but it's an indictment on the playing squad's professionalism if they couldn't work with the manager because of this incident if that's what caused their poor form and for them to fall out with the manager.

I'm disappointed with Hiddink's decisions and subsequent results, although I hadn't blithely assumed he would bring us any cups.

What I do expect of him now is a good report to the board about our squad. Hopefully, based on his insights and vast experience, he can list where improvements are needed, and who to sell, and what kind of manager we should pursue.

I really like Hiddink, I think he's been a breath of fresh air since he's come in but I'm probably guilty of focusing more on his demeanor than what's changed on the pitch. Whilst our football is marginally better and we've gone from losses to draws we really have been sh*t from start and I'm guessing to finish.

I like him as a friend, as others have correctly said he isn't a long term relationship.

His avuncular style was needed. We were never realistically going to salvage anything from this season, we just needed to stop the downward spiral and restore some calm.

Uncle Guus will toddle off into the sunset and the whole Circus will start up again.

Never a dull moment !

I like Guus, but what exactly has changed in our style of football? I see the full-backs getting forward more but that's also made us look shakier at the back. Yesterday we didn't really seem to have any plan of attack, looking completely aimless at times. When we did get forward, we lacked numbers because we had two holding midfielders and Costa was being asked to do everything. Then Costa get's isolated, kicked, wound up and ends up lashing out. 

 

Yes he's a calm/anonymous presence off the pitch but when on Earth has that been us? Vialli, Gullit, Jose, Carlo - all imposing, passionate men who have achieved amazing things here. Timidness is not something I particularly yearn for.

 

As for his performance, it's been ok. He's made some poor choices, I think he's focussed far more on the short-term than he has anything that benefits us next season except for Traore's emergence. But now the season is gone and I don't know if there's any reason to keep him around instead of letting Stevie Holland take charge.

 

What he has to do now is give Loftus-Cheek, Traore, Kenedy and maybe a couple of others every minute he can. There's no excuse for starting both Matic and Mikel in another match (a tactic that saw us win 1 out of 7 games prior to yesterday). He needs to recognise that this season is done and the preparation for next season begins now. 

Hiddink should play the youngsters but I reckon he will be concerned about his draw record.

I couldn't blame Hiddink for the past 2 games, the team just not good enough and players not taking chances. He really didn't have much options in picking a team, with Zouma/JT out the defence is always going to be fragile. Midfield pick itself, and that's really scaring, not even a Ramires to provide some energy into the team. Front line is Costa or nothing, the so called backup strikers are never game fit, and we can't push Traore too hard at this stage of his career. 

 

To be fair to Hiddink, he's promoting young players into the team during this extremely difficult period. I think Traore and Kennedy would be on loan now with another manager in charge.

The squad that Hiddink inherited was a squad that Jose built, so yes it is his fault. It was Jose that wanted good players gone. When you look at some of the worst players in 2015, Matic, Cesc, Costa, were Jose purchases.

When i look for players who were critical to winning the title, they are the same ones you listed. When I look at players who have turned this season around, it is largely down to two of the three players you listed.

Mourinho built parts of this squad and those parts were critical to winning the league. Mourinho made little to no mistakes when it comes to the footballing abilities that were needed, the trophy is proof. What mistake he made (or perhaps the board) was loading the club with talented players who dont have the mental toughness/attachment to the club to keep pushing for success after youve already had it.... that and letting go all of the players who possessed that within a few short years without any replacements....and at times against the will of the manager.

And that my friend is just something you can't tell about a player until you put them in that situation..... and after that became clear, what was Mourinho to do?

Well, if the club had backed him at all in fixing the obvious problems in the squad, Mourinho could of benched some of those mentally weak players and played BPL calibur footballers instead of only having youth and the same old issue players. But that option wasnt possible thanks to the terrible transfer dealings.

Or, the club could of restrained from selling one of the very last leaders in the dressing room against the will of the manager (boy, what a message that sent to Hazard and Co, no wonder they didnt feel like they had to listen to the manager. If the guy paying Mourinho to run the team wont even listen to Mourinho, why should Costa of listened to him about getting in the box more (funny, Mourinho talked about Costa needing to do this yet Costa only started when Hiddink came in. Almost like he felt comfortable ignoring the manager)). Yet the club felt it knew better again....

Either way you cut it, Mourinho put together a squad that won the title and on a budget. The squad isnt where it is because Mourinho put together a bunch of players who cant play football well but rather because they just dont feel like they should have to put in the same effort....and if there is no viable options in the squad and the club isnt helping out in the transfer market, what is a manager to do?

So you think it's right for us to allow Jose to relegate us? Wow, this is the reason why Jose himself thought he was bigger than the club and he thought he will get away with what he did with Eva and the bad results we have had consecutively in the beginning of the season. But interestingly Roman won't tolerate his ego and all those rubbish after investing a lot of money in this club.

I could say Mourinho was still going to win the title and that viewpoint is about as valid and logical as yours.... well actually, given how the league has played out,  if Mourinho was given backing in January very well might of had us back up there if we judge him based on his whole career and not just the worst 4 months in in.....

 

As for Eva, Mourinho clearly didnt handle it well..... but if rumours are true, that Mourinho asked the club to replace her in the summer, then the club handled it poorly too.

 

Lets also not forget that Bayern Munich won the league in the season where Pep Guardiola had a sideline tantrum against his medical staff that made Mourinho's look damn right gentleman like.  Pep even carried it over into the press conference.  That medical staff was not only rated as best in the business but had been with Bayern Munich longer than Roman has owned CFC..... yet that was no excuse for Bayern players to toss the season away with indifference.....maybe because Bayern made it 100% clear that Guardiola was in charge and never publicly undermined him publicly (never mind behind close doors) as CFC had to Mourinho in the off season.

 

and lastly, if Mourinho did this at Porto it would of been over in a day or week....ditto Inter....ditto Real Madrid where he probably did worse....... that the media likes to bash on anything CFC related is not Mourinho's fault and if you really want a scape goat for that you can thank those responsible for the image of this club.  We werent getting sunshine and lollypops from the media before Mourinho and we certainly havent since yet.....

 

Sorry, very lastly, and to kind of prove my point lets not escape the fact you're mentioning Eva when if it was really that big of a deal we'd be speaking about Eva and Jon, it did happen to both people....dont ever forget that despite what the media serves you up (and I will point out here that the whole medical staff walked out on Guardiola, not just one member of it looking to make some money in a civil case). 

Edited March 14, 201610 yr by Barry Bridges

If Mourinho couldnt get these players going, Hiddink was always going to face a huge struggle. The players knew that Mourinho's methods worked, because they'd seen the fruits of their labour last year. Hiddink had to come in with a fresh approach and try to bring the players on board, just hoping they would follow his lead. The hardest players to coach/manage are players who dont care and/or dont listen. I get the sense that this group of players are a coach's nightmare. Fair play to Hiddink for coming back and taking up the challenge. I hope he doesnt pull any punches when he reports to the board about this squad because what we need more than anything is a cold, calculated transfer window with any players not pulling their weight being cut adrift

Barry

When Mourinho was sacked we were like 3 points from relegation and our form was rock bottom with no signs of any improvement. January would have just been panic buys with no one of real quality available. You only have to look at cuadrado and see how easy it is to waste money.

I've not come across this rumours regarding Eva but if he did want her replaced, then that's even worse that he looked for a ludicrous opportunity to force her out and humiliate her publicly, especially as he praised our medical staff as doing a great job months earlier.

Just because pep had an issue with his staff it doesn't make mourinho right to slag off Eva for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

When you combine the terrible football, negative results, embarrassing league standing and player relationship, Jose was on another level to Pep.

I could say Mourinho was still going to win the title and that viewpoint is about as valid and logical as yours.... well actually, given how the league has played out, if Mourinho was given backing in January very well might of had us back up there if we judge him based on his whole career and not just the worst 4 months in in.....

As for Eva, Mourinho clearly didnt handle it well..... but if rumours are true, that Mourinho asked the club to replace her in the summer, then the club handled it poorly too.

Lets also not forget that Bayern Munich won the league in the season where Pep Guardiola had a sideline tantrum against his medical staff that made Mourinho's look damn right gentleman like. Pep even carried it over into the press conference. That medical staff was not only rated as best in the business but had been with Bayern Munich longer than Roman has owned CFC..... yet that was no excuse for Bayern players to toss the season away with indifference.....maybe because Bayern made it 100% clear that Guardiola was in charge and never publicly undermined him publicly (never mind behind close doors) as CFC had to Mourinho in the off season.

and lastly, if Mourinho did this at Porto it would of been over in a day or week....ditto Inter....ditto Real Madrid where he probably did worse....... that the media likes to bash on anything CFC related is not Mourinho's fault and if you really want a scape goat for that you can thank those responsible for the image of this club. We werent getting sunshine and lollypops from the media before Mourinho and we certainly havent since yet.....

Sorry, very lastly, and to kind of prove my point lets not escape the fact you're mentioning Eva when if it was really that big of a deal we'd be speaking about Eva and Jon, it did happen to both people....dont ever forget that despite what the media serves you up (and I will point out here that the whole medical staff walked out on Guardiola, not just one member of it looking to make some money in a civil case).

Lol we f**king sacked José in mid December when there were still about 3 or 4 games to be played before the January transfer window. There is no way we would have been undefeated in those remaining games before the transfer window under José which means we will find ourselves in the 18th or 19th position in January. Now can you tell me the top player that would have left his team and come to us at that time and suddenly turn us to a team challenging for the title? Lol am having a laugh at your assumption.

People make arguments on sentiments. The Mourinho/Hiddink pro/anti squad but cast all that aside. Performances have been woeful and not much better than before he took over. For all the talk of improved morale and man management that's not translated to performances to be proud of on the pitch. You get 8 points from 8 draws. They say you're on an unbeaten run. They hail it as a performance worthy of praise. Shhhh don't let them hear but it means you're well below the acceptable standards for even a "poor" pass rating on the percentile scale. It's so sad chelsea football club took the wrong turn when they got to the "Mourinho T Junction".

If he isn't going to play our youth now then I don't see the point in keeping him any longer than we need to.

We have nothing left to play for, give our future a chance and drop the consistently poor first teamers. That's what the majority of us want isn't it?

His record at the Bridge might say unbeaten but when was the last time he actually won a league game at home? It's not a good record at all

The summer and Conte can't come quick enough.

My main worry is nothing is really going to change next season, we're not just going to magically become good again, the team is just bad.

Agreed, what w horrible season this has been. I just hope that Conte is the real deal and he gets us back to where we should be.

As for Guus,the lack of wins at home is both bizarre and disappointing. Slightly disappointed by him since he's come in but he's done an ok job, nothing special.

My main worry is nothing is really going to change next season, we're not just going to magically become good again, the team is just bad.

I do fear that too, I mean did Jose and Guus really keep with flops like Ivan or is there something more to it?

Do we think Roman will allow Conte to come in and change the whole set up (which is what is needed) and bring in 5/6 players into the first 11?

I had the same hopes with pretty much every new appointment since Carlo but it's never really happened. The worry now is we no longer have a core including Lampard, Terry, Drogba and Cech to keep us a top side.

Conte has a really tough job on his hands, probably the toughest around in terms of the big clubs. I hope lessons have been learned and we allow a different vision to take us back up the table/CL.

Agreed, what w horrible season this has been. I just hope that Conte is the real deal and he gets us back to where we should be.

As for Guus,the lack of wins at home is both bizarre and disappointing. Slightly disappointed by him since he's come in but he's done an ok job, nothing special.

Yeah it's bizarre more than anything. Has the atmosphere really been that bad? I have a hard time believing that. Could the players actually be scared of the home crowd? I don't know. Dressing room atmosphere can be pretty weird sometimes. (Look at all the silly superstitions and rituals that exist).

The away record is best in the league since he took over so I guess that balances out.

The more I think about it the more I have a nagging thought that it might not matter whether Conte is the "real deal", that there are tensions or pressures or cultural shackles or some other restraints that inhibit managers.