Maybe they was a title winning squad because of Mourinho.

Performances under Hiddink havnt improved much, results havnt a great deal and Hiddink played for draws and not losing than going for wins. Chelsea wouldn't of got relegated, Mourinho got sacked because he lost the players, a club will never sell all the players so there's only one way it's going to go.

Me personally I would rather sell some players and teach them a lesson who's boss.

So maybe it was the players and not Jose after all?

On the other hand we could lose every remaining game and he'd still have won more points. And lost fewer games. Isn't that an improvement?

Ignoring the stats, do you think we've performed any better since the change in manager? For me the defence and midfield have gotten no better at all, the attack slightly better. Consistency is the same sh*t.

I've been blaming the players all season, they simply haven't shown enough of anything.

Edited April 17, 201610 yr by Bobbywoodhogan

Ignoring the stats, do you think we've performed any better since the change in manager? For me the defence and midfield have gotten no better at all, the attack slightly better. Consistency is the same sh*t.

I don't think we have performed any better, the only real difference is Costa who decided to lose some weight, actually get in the box and run once Mourinho left.

Ignoring the stats, do you think we've performed any better since the change in manager? For me the defence and midfield have gotten no better at all, the attack slightly better. Consistency is the same sh*t.

 

overall? firstly I have to reject the idea that those are three bands that can be judged independently of each other. I don't view football like that.

 

(I personally don't even think most of the time individual performances can be judged properly. I don't think there should be such a thing as a motm award or a world player of the year or anything like that. I mean, yes you can look at two players and say one is better than the other but I think usually individual appraisals are a con.)

 

anyway we've been better defensively I think. not because hiddink is a genius and jose's tactics suddenly over the summer turned to dust. obviously that is nonsense and it is easy to spot people who don't know anything about football when they make that type of criticism of mourinho. it shows they are watching a match, don't understand what they're seeing and then they look at a result and come up with a conclusion. they're analysing a scoreline, not a match.

 

anyway we were conceding two goals or more in most games under jose this season to my recollection. going forward the players are mentally freer than they were, particularly fabregas and costa, so naturally we are creating cleaner openings.

 

the performances, to me, are undoubtedly better. they're not good. they're below par. the are about par or perhaps a little above par given the massive reduction in expectation we suffered in the first half of the season. whether we're the sixth best side on form or the third or whatever doesn't matter. it still isn't good enough given this squad and given our realistic ambitions. but hiddink has to be judged within the confines of those reduced expectations. that's my opinion. and if he's going to be starting young players then I'm willing to accept fewer points than I would otherwise.

 

what I don't understand is people saying we're the same. or euphemistically saying we were mid table and we still are. yes, but 'mid table' gives you a lot of leeway. 6th and 16th are both mid table but clearly there is a difference. jose had totally lost the dressing room and showed no sign at all that he could win it back or even that he had any desire to do so. he's a great manager and a chelsea great but the circumstances meant he had to go. he had to, and the sooner that is accepted by some of you the better. 

Ignoring the stats, do you think we've performed any better since the change in manager? For me the defence and midfield have gotten no better at all, the attack slightly better. Consistency is the same sh*t.

 

I don't think we have performed any better, the only real difference is Costa who decided to lose some weight, actually get in the box and run once Mourinho left.

 

I agree totally with both of these posts. I suspect the club have somewhat pandered to the players by bringing in Guus who isn't going to rock the boat but will do enough. Then, apparently, payback will be coming in the form of disciplinarian Conte, who presumably will bomb any of the players that do not toe the line. It will be interesting to see the level of support the manager gets from above next season, if this does end up being the game plan.

people like to forget that Hiddink came in when the morale was lower than ever. we were heading to the relegation zone, strings of embarrassing results, etc. it's not easy managing in a condition like that

 

like i said before, even when the morale was high following a title winning season, even accomplished manager like Jose could slip up like that
but Hiddink improved (yes, he improved us) the performance of this team when they were in total shambles
i think he deserves credit for that, it's definitely not easy, but unfortunately some people just can't appreciate that

on a sidenote, when people said that we wouldn't be relegated under Jose, i think that's simply too optimistic. we may never find out, but you can't ignore the fact that we were 17th, and kept on losing too

There is probably little to be gained from picking over the bones now. Whether Guus improved the style of football or the morale or whether the players really did spit their dummies out and downed tools for Jose, only to then start playing when Guus arrived, the facts speak for themselves. We didn't get relegated and eventually struggled our way to a mediocre 10th.

 

I'm glad that Guus stepped up, we could have ended up with Rodgers after all. But i am also glad that we're making the change because the football we have served up this season is appalling, and as paying spectators we should be entertained.

Funnily enough I reckon Rodgers is a better manager than Hiddink, for tactics and style of play. Could even treat the fans to a sub.

Hiddink was the right man in the way he butters up all the players, tactically I don't think his great though.

Do you think we'd have been relegated under Jose? If so, I disagree. If Hiddink is getting props for saving us from relegation then he's done what Jose very likely would have done anyway, especially if he went into damage limitation mode where loads of draws were acceptable. Hiddink has won six games to Jose's four, which isn't to me a substantial improvement.

I think in the end we would not have been relegated especially when you look at how bad the relegation threatened teams have been this season.

However Roman was sufficiently scared by the possibility. It was clear to me that he really didn't want to sack Jose, but I think the mere possibility of relegation was causing him too much heartburn and insomnia.

Relegation is the worst thing that can happen for owners. In a hypothetical scenario, owners would gladly choose 100% guaranteed 17th place rather than a 50% chance of winning the league but a 50% chance of getting relegated.

roman -   "jose, what is wrong, why are the team playing so crap?"

jose -      "i dont know roman, they just seem to of stopped playing for me"

roman -   "but jose, you won the league with them just a few months ago, how can it go so wrong?"

jose -      "i dont know, maybe they do not like me because i was a cnut to their doctor babe"

 

my point is roman knew jose was broke at chelsea, that is why he was sacked

"Partly true [that some are preserving themselves for the Euros], but I cannot blame the players for having a lack of attitude."

"Some players might think that, but I cannot look into their minds, in their brains. They might be thinking of the Euros. When there is nothing at stake then with some people there is a little bit of a lack of the ultimate work."

-Guus Hiddink

Too be expected.

theres been a 'lack of ultimate work' all bloody season. i dont see it as a new development. How can an entire squad of footballers think its even remotely acceptable to just take it easy for a whole season?! it actually enrages me. the epitome of the over-paid, over-privileged, spoilt modern footballer. Millionaires without morals.

Any player that has switched of because if the Euro's can f**k right off and get out of my club. People pay ridiculous money to watch them and the least they should do is put in 100% effort the w**kers .

Any player that has switched of because if the Euro's can f**k right off and get out of my club. People pay ridiculous money to watch them and the least they should do is put in 100% effort the w**kers .

 I think a few of them have been switched off for a while now. I'm honestly surprised so many have been allowed to keep their place in the team. I don't know what I would do with them but a few need a good slap at least

Pretty much how I always thought it would be now that we are out of every comp

Hiddink, when questioned over whether some of his players could be conserving their energy for Euro 2016, admitted that could well be the case.

He answered: “Partly true, but I cannot blame the players for having a lack of attitude.

"Some players might think that but I cannot look into their minds, in their brains. They might be thinking of the Euros.

"When there is nothing at stake then with some people there is a little bit of a lack of the ultimate work.”

Wow

They've played like that all season though guus

This is the same group of players that Jose said betrayed him, and I think we can all say that now. Fortunately we have a coach so close to retirement that he couldn't give enough f**ks to dig them out when we'd all love him too.

 

Honestly though, I don't think he deserves criticism. I've said all along that he's working with pretty much the same group of players Jose was and that's where the majority of the problems are. This squad overachieved last season and we didn't strengthen in the summer - I've said it lots but people the old 'form table' argument was always there.

 

If Guus had been in charge from the start of the season we'd have been third. That's Champions League selfie spots people!!!

 

Now, it's 9th. No selfie for you!

 

Our home record under Guus is 9 points from 8 games, the same as Sunderland. In fact they've won two games at home to our one. That's disgustingly bad and includes a point against Everton from an extremely debatable penalty but that's football.

 

Away from home is much better but includes wins at relegation fodder and a horrendously off-form Palace. Again, we can debate the form of teams we play but that's just boring statistical analysis.

 

 

Ultimately I think what we're seeing is nothing surprising. Guus isn't a great coach, but he's a decent one and I think any coach gets broadly the same results from this team. It would seem to be a mid-table squad whichever way you slice it. 

 

Guus has five games left this season and I don't know where another point comes from, let alone another win. When Jose left we were 16th in the table. I don't think we'll finish that low but I could certainly envisage us finishing 15th and at that point you have to wonder what any of this upheaval was for.

Gary Cahill said his team-mates "should have more pride" on the pitch and "at least run around and try to get close to people"

 

Even some of the players themselves can see that others aren't trying hard enough.

 

If they are saving themselves for the Euro's, then that isn't good enough. The club pays them, they should be giving everything for the club. None of them even deserve a call up to the Euro's, they have all been really poor.

Edited April 19, 201610 yr by Scott Harris

Five games to retirement.

 

Not helping his legacy, can't wait until he leaves.

Baffled as to why he waited until the 83rd minute to make any changes. The minute that 3rd goal went in I would have hoped to see a sub or two.

Five games to retirement.

 

Not helping his legacy, can't wait until he leaves.

 

After Saturday, I have to second that.

 

Bar the second half against Sp*rs it has been a real sh*t end to the season. Not as bad as earlier in the season, but still bad. 

 

Looking forward to watching a bit of cricket.

He's not really done anything of note since coming here, his record at home is abysmal and we are in large just as inconsistent as before.

I honestly don't think we would have been relegated had he not came in, we might have been 2 or 3 places below where we are not but that's about it I think.

I really hope this is the last interim we have to use in a long time.