On chalobah I disagree to a point - Jose wasn't giving him chances and it was out of the window so the options were limited for first team football. If a player goes to a club where he gets a chance or if he gets injured then that can't be put on emenalo.

On the non academy players my point is that clearly those are examples of the loans working. Also traore is an academy player. He doesn't count as one, but that is a technical issue. He's a product of the Chelsea system as much as anyone.

It's a problem that no academy players has fully established themselves since jt, but it needs to be recognised that no technical director can force a manager to play the kids. He has to want to.

 

The problem is you're asking coaches to put their jobs on the line to serve long-term benefits that they probably won't be around to reap because we dismiss coaches so often. Roman has judged coaches on short-term goals whereas developing youngsters is by it's nature long-term.

 

What we need is an owner who understands that and hires people who are able to implement that. In the current game it's hard for a coach to be the one who implements that which is why I don't think Conte will. 

Edited April 23, 201610 yr by ShedEnder91

The problem is you're asking coaches to put their jobs on the line to serve long-term benefits that they probably won't be around to reap because we dismiss coaches so often. Roman has judged coaches on short-term goals whereas developing youngsters is by it's nature long-term.

 

What we need is an owner who understands that and hires people who are able to implement that. In the current game it's hard for a coach to be the one who implements that which is why I don't think Conte will. 

 

It's true to some certain extent but surely no excuse not to play the youngsters when the game was already dead or in the so called lesser games? and what about the game at capital 1 cup? surely you wouldn't think roman would get mad over that cup, would you?

We've done this bit already. I agree.

However I don't think his hiring of emenalo impinges on the managers ability to play young players one iota. If anything his tenure has coincided with the best young players we've produced under abramovich.

The only thing I think needs to change is that abramovich shows patience and the manager shows a desire to play the kids.

Only ancelotti has shown a real interest in playing the kids out of all his appointments and only Jose in his second spell was afforded any kind of patience.

Time will tell...

We've done this bit already. I agree.

However I don't think his hiring of emenalo impinges on the managers ability to play young players one iota. If anything his tenure has coincided with the best young players we've produced under abramovich.

The only thing I think needs to change is that abramovich shows patience and the manager shows a desire to play the kids.

Only ancelotti has shown a real interest in playing the kids out of all his appointments and only Jose in his second spell was afforded any kind of patience.

Time will tell...

 

I think you're mostly right. Roman has to make a commitment to developing youngsters, like Ajax, Barca and United did at various points in their history, and then he has to hire someone qualified to run the club's football interests. Not his old mate Avram and not his old mate Avram's young mate - someone with a proven track record, and ideally someone who knows this league and this club (that's a hard ask).

 

Like you say, time will tell.

mmm.

 

let me ask you a direct yes or no question:

 

do you think emenalo being in place as the club's technical director precludes (or has precluded) the first team coach / manager from giving a chance (or chances) to any of the young players the club has produced or signed as teenagers?

Personally I think Emenalo has done a good job. Dont really give two bobs about were he came from or how he got here. Id much rather have him then someone like Ed Woodward.

He oversees all youth level in his role as

Emenalo is involved in loan decisions for sure. He's not involved in the actual coaching though and he's not picking the first team. He has zero direct influence on whether youngsters are getting opportunities at Chelsea or not.

It's a very simplistic view to blame a single person for the failure to integrate academy players to the main squad. Sure, Emenalo has to bear some responsibility but it's not all him, far from it.

Zero influence over the first team is absolute nonsense. He's as much to blame for this issue as any one person at the club is. I dont think hes the only one but he certainly bears some of the responsibility

mmm.

 

let me ask you a direct yes or no question:

 

do you think emenalo being in place as the club's technical director precludes (or has precluded) the first team coach / manager from giving a chance (or chances) to any of the young players the club has produced or signed as teenagers?

 

I think he's symptomatic of the larger issues that do. Feel free to jump on that not being a simple yes or no but neither one of us is given to such brevity or simplicity.

 

Personally I think Emenalo has done a good job. Dont really give two bobs about were he came from or how he got here. Id much rather have him then someone like Ed Woodward.

 

So no academy products brought through in half a decade is a good return? Not entirely his fault but imagine what could be done with all our resources if we had a structure in place to take advantage of them.

 

Just imagine seeing players you've supported at youth level becoming legends for the next generation of supporters. I had that under JT (and Jon Harley, Jody, Mark Nicholls, Paul Hughes, Sammy DB) and it's truly special in sport.

Chalobah to Forest under Billy Davies was a mistake. The loan to Burnley was also a mistake. Basically anything after Watford was either a bad loan or a half-arsed attempt to fix a bad loan. Napoli was just laughable.

 

Delac who cares?

 

Wallace to Inter was stupid but that was the player's fault allegedly.

 

Hazard, Courtois, De Bruyne and Traore aren't Academy products.

 

Christensen, Baker and Solanke are 'wait and sees' because two of them are probably leaving Vitesse to go somewhere else and that is the decisive loan, where we usually f**k up.

 

None of this changes the fact that in Roman's time here (and Emanlo's) we've not developed a single Academy player into a first-team player. It's a problem.

 

Not to interrupt the discussion but the style of some of your posts has started to become a little bit reminiscent of a former poster (or rather a current poster in exile) Davey Baby. Nothing else to it, and it's probably nothing more than a coincidence but just something I observed.

Not to interrupt the discussion but the style of some of your posts has started to become a little bit reminiscent of a former poster (or rather a current poster in exile) Davey Baby. Nothing else to it, and it's probably nothing more than a coincidence but just something I observed.

 

Not that poster either I'm afraid. Think I've just got one of those faces, unfortunately no-one says I remind them of Tom Hardy or Michael Fassbender.

Not to interrupt the discussion but the style of some of your posts has started to become a little bit reminiscent of a former poster (or rather a current poster in exile) Davey Baby. Nothing else to it, and it's probably nothing more than a coincidence but just something I observed.

Your totally wrong he's Blue Daze. Is he patronising yes, insincere yes, condescending yes, does he feel he has to answer every question on this forum yes. Is he the same age as Blue Daze yes, first started watching Chelsea under Hoddle yes. Does he look at your profile every time you answer him yes. Is he a massive Tory yes. There is the evidence for the prosecution.

Your totally wrong he's Blue Daze. Is he patronising yes, insincere yes, condescending yes, does he feel he has to answer every question on this forum yes. Is he the same age as Blue Daze yes, first started watching Chelsea under Hoddle yes. Does he look at your profile every time you answer him yes. Is he a massive Tory yes. There is the evidence for the prosecution.

 

Has this chap ever been online at the same time as Droogba?

Zero influence over the first team is absolute nonsense. He's as much to blame for this issue as any one person at the club is. I dont think hes the only one but he certainly bears some of the responsibility

 

That's not exactly what I wrote, now is it?

I think he's symptomatic of the larger issues that do. Feel free to jump on that not being a simple yes or no but neither one of us is given to such brevity or simplicity.

The question isn't "do you think he is a symptom of larger issues that preclude young players getting picked" so I'll thank you not to answer questions no one is asking.

It's easy. Yes, no or don't know. You can give as much reasoning as you like to support your answer. The question is worded perfectly and is totally fair (I.e. Not leading).

If I am asked a yes or no question I can give an answer. don't suggest I can't. Don't suggest it is simplistic either. It is a closed question but it doesn't stop you from offering as much reasoning as you like.

So I repeat:

Yes, no or don't know:

do you think emenalo being in place as the club's technical director precludes (or has precluded) the first team coach / manager from giving a chance (or chances) to any of the young players the club has produced or signed as teenagers?

Sorry mate but I've given the answer to your question.

 

Now I hope it suffices and it's the only one I'm going to give, not to be obtuse but simply to be honest. 

From that I have to infer that you can't answer. That's fine.

Your specious arguments are therefore completely discredited in my view.

Edited April 24, 201610 yr by g3.7

From that I have to infer that you can't answer. That's fine.

Your specious arguments are therefore completely discredited in my view.

 

You can infer that if you wish. I think what I said covered it pretty well and you're free to read that as you wish.

 

By the way that post above reads better if you finish it with 

 

Nineteen pages in, and the question of who the f**k is Michael Emenalo is as far from a definitive response as it ever were. Hence the appearance of the seemingly unrelated question of who the f**k is ShedEnder91.

 

I can't provide a definitive answer to that one either. All I will say is that there are very,very strong indications here that ShedEnder91 is a bit of a Charlie. That would be Charlie's Uncle Norbert Tompkins.

Nineteen pages in, and the question of who the f**k is Michael Emenalo is as far from a definitive response as it ever were. Hence the appearance of the seemingly unrelated question of who the f**k is ShedEnder91.

 

I can't provide a definitive answer to that one either. All I will say is that there are very,very strong indications here that ShedEnder91 is a bit of a Charlie. That would be Charlie's Uncle Norbert Tompkins.

 

You can call me a c**t straight up if you want. Not sure why you would but why beat around the bush eh mate?

You can call me a c**t straight up if you want. Not sure why you would but why beat around the bush eh mate?

It comes as no surprise that you're not sure why I or anyone else might be put out by the overall manner of your contribution to this forum.

 

Let's just say that the level of condescending arrogance and patronising insincerity permeating so much of your contribution to this site is astounding. Before you ask, I'm not Bertie Smalls either. I don't know or much care if you're this Blue Daze character, but otherwise he's pretty much spot on, even down to the checking of profiles.

And don't call me as your mate either. Ok?

It comes as no surprise that you're not sure why I or anyone else might be put out by the overall manner of your contribution to this forum.

 

Let's just say that the level of condescending arrogance and patronising insincerity permeating so much of your contribution to this site is astounding. Before you ask, I'm not Bertie Smalls either. I don't know or much care if you're this Blue Daze character, but otherwise he's pretty much spot on, even down to the checking of profiles.

And don't call me as your mate either. Ok?

 

Again I don't mean for it to come across like that. I try and respect other people's opinions and if I disagree I try to do that respectfully. If I fail to do that in your opinion then I'm sorry. If you'd like me not to post then say so.

 

Sorry for calling you mate as well. Something of a colloquialism where I'm from.

Again I don't mean for it to come across like that. I try and respect other people's opinions and if I disagree I try to do that respectfully. If I fail to do that in your opinion then I'm sorry. If you'd like me not to post then say so.

 

Sorry for calling you mate as well. Something of a colloquialism where I'm from.

Condescending, patronising, arrogant, massively insincere. I've got to hand it to you.I wouldn't have thought it possible for two short sentences to be so jam packed with bullsh*t.

 

I could elaborate, but  there really is no need.

Condescending, patronising, arrogant, massively insincere. I've got to hand it to you.I wouldn't have thought it possible for two short sentences to be so jam packed with bullsh*t.

 

I could elaborate, but  there really is no need.

 

 

You take offence at me using the word 'mate' so I apologise, then you take offence at me explaining why I used that word. 

 

I'm starting to get the feeling you don't like me.

 

Like I said, if you don't want me to post then ask me. If you think we can co-exist and ignore each other without you calling me rude words and me calling you 'mate' then maybe we should just do that. Surely we can't indulge in internet bickering over this when there's important matters regarding the club to resolve though. 

Edited April 24, 201610 yr by ShedEnder91

The guy has his flaws but jesus does he get a lot of undeserved hate

 

 Leading the club's international and domestic scouting network, and assists in driving the technical programmes of our Academy and international youth network.

That's his job description on the Chelsea website...So lets look at some of the young players we have brought in since he was made technical director in 2011

 

Courtois, Lukaku, De Bruyne, Bamford, Charly Musonda, Christensen, Zouma, Kasey Palmer, Traore, Kenedy

 

Ridiculous amount of talent that we brought in which is partly down to him. Also he oversees our academy which is considered the best in England and one of the best in the world

 

He even had the dignity to offer his resignation when Jose was appointed. Look, I loved Mourinho but this season was an absolute disaster and it was clear it wasn't going to get better, we gave him plenty of time to turn things around. Emenalo received the brunt of the criticism and was basically made a scapegoat for our failings this season..Absolutely ridiculous

 

Like I said, he has his flaws and has made mistakes but he's only human. People need to actually appreciate the good things he has done for our club

Condescending, patronising, arrogant, massively insincere. I've got to hand it to you.I wouldn't have thought it possible for two short sentences to be so jam packed with bullsh*t.

I could elaborate, but there really is no need.

Sorry. None of his posts seem that way to me. Just because he disagrees with someone's opinion doesn't make his posts such.

Your hatred really is uncalled for. Ignore him if you want.