So no academy products brought through in half a decade is a good return? Not entirely his fault but imagine what could be done with all our resources if we had a structure in place to take advantage of them.

Apart from being named manager theres not much he can do. Hes helped secure some fantastic young players, sadly some of them are no longer at the club but thats another story. Lets see what he (and our scouting network) can pull off this summer. Im all gor an upgrade if possible, I just dont see a clear cut option available

Sorry. None of his posts seem that way to me. Just because he disagrees with someone's opinion doesn't make his posts such.

Your hatred really is uncalled for. Ignore him if you want.

People really need to stop taking the internet so seriously. It would be quiet as sh*t around here if everyone thought the same and rarely postef anything conteoversial. A good dust up now and then does wonder for forum traffic. As for Blue Daze, the thought have crossed my mind that they could be the same but they seem to have very different views on youth development so unless he completely changed his stance I doubt it.

That's not exactly what I wrote, now is it?

No you're right. Saying he has zero influence over youngsters playing for us is also nonsense too though. He isnt picking the team but he's involved with every single player transaction.

I've read a lot of disrespect for the ShedEnder91 and i must say, great member. I really enjoy reading your posts and in the past we already had an interesting discussion.

Looking forward to another one!

Don't take it personally, the mood has changed, some guys are coming from Talkchelsea, so you know what you're getting.

They're just looking for a reaction.

Turning to Emenalo:

He must be the happiest guy alive, job security, but not living up to the standard.

The man is no leader, doesn't inspire, just talking sh*t about others and shifting the blame.

That's not the way a leader should be. Ancelotti knew from the beginning that the guy's trouble, but i think according to some, it's all on good ol' Jose.

Emenalo gets a bad wrap in my mind. Something still grates about his appointment and the exit of Ray Wilkins. As it should, that was a disgrace.

But the work he and his team have done has on the whole been excellent. The loan model is a good one. Particularly in an FFP sense. What's missing is that link to the first team. That can only be completed by the manager. It may be the case the club implements a policy that one youth player must be in the matchday squad each week. But short of that, the link must be made by the manager.

The guy has his flaws but jesus does he get a lot of undeserved hate

 

 Leading the club's international and domestic scouting network, and assists in driving the technical programmes of our Academy and international youth network.

That's his job description on the Chelsea website...So lets look at some of the young players we have brought in since he was made technical director in 2011

 

Courtois, Lukaku, De Bruyne, Bamford, Charly Musonda, Christensen, Zouma, Kasey Palmer, Traore, Kenedy

 

Ridiculous amount of talent that we brought in which is partly down to him. Also he oversees our academy which is considered the best in England and one of the best in the world

 

He even had the dignity to offer his resignation when Jose was appointed. Look, I loved Mourinho but this season was an absolute disaster and it was clear it wasn't going to get better, we gave him plenty of time to turn things around. Emenalo received the brunt of the criticism and was basically made a scapegoat for our failings this season..Absolutely ridiculous

 

Like I said, he has his flaws and has made mistakes but he's only human. People need to actually appreciate the good things he has done for our club

 

I wasn't going to respond to this simply because I think it's been covered before, but after Essien19's nice words and reading Martin Samuel in the Mail today I think I might.

 

Firstly, it's a good post. Under Emenalo we have brought in some phenomenal talent. We've also continued bringing in fantastic players into the Academy which is something that's been going on for about a decade now, suggesting this pre-dates Emenalo (indeed Arsesen for all his faults was key in the earlier years).

 

Now to take one of those players - De Bruyne - as an example, one has to ask what can we discern Emenalo's involvement to be. Obviously I can be accused of bashing him because I don't like him, but it has been reported that he was Abramovich's pick and that De Visser was involved too. In fact it's been long acknowledged that De Visser was ahead of the curve when it came to the Belgian market.

 

But so were a lot of people who played Football Manager (pause for laughter). The reason is that the football world is actually quite small and there are no real secrets. Any young player with talent has been scouted by 20 clubs at least and Chelsea has one of the largest scouting networks in the world. That's ignoring that these players aren't just scouted by clubs, they're scouted by agents who sign them up and then spend their days trying to get them a move to a big club.

 

The notion that Emenalo or anyone unearths unknown talent is simply a fairytale in the modern game.

 

So what are we crediting him with here? Signing this talent? OK. Chelsea has some of the best coaches and training resources in the world. If you're a parent of a young kid with talent of course it's going to be an attractive option, and let's not forget that there are financial reasons associated. Chelsea will always be an attractive proposition for young players because we can give them a lot of things. I'm not going to criticise anyone for choosing us based on that because it makes a lot of sense.

 

The issue is that link between Academy/youth player and the first team and that's the tricky part. We can't simply blame Emenalo, nor can we blame the coach. Bringing through young players is a long-term exercise when the Chelsea coach's job is defined by short-term measures. For me the problem is Abramovich whose short-term aims limit what a coach could realistically be expected to do.

 

Even if you want to credit Emenalo with signing this talent I think we need to look at his role going forward. For me, I think expanding it's powers is the way to go. Make the Director of Football position bigger, expand it's scope and allow it to have greater influence on the actual football on the pitch.

 

Roman needs to take a backseat. He isn't a football man at the end of the day and I tend to side with Brian Clough on what people like him know about football. Let the talent (the DoF and the coach) lead the way and just write the cheques for them. Hire a DoF who Conte can work with to forge something unique here, and ideally hire someone who knows this club and this league so that whatever is created embodies the Chelsea Football Club we all grew up loving.

 

That's the dream. What I think we'll get instead is a continuation of what we've been doing for the last decade. We'll be more competitive next year because I think Conte will be a good fit, and because we'll spend so much that competitiveness is almost unavoidable. We'll continue loaning young players out, we might even get lucky enough to develop one into a squad member in 2017-18 but beyond that I think we'll paper over the cracks just enough that no real change has to happen and we could just go through all this again before we've moved into the new stadium.

Edited April 25, 201610 yr by ShedEnder91

No you're right. Saying he has zero influence over youngsters playing for us is also nonsense too though. He isnt picking the team but he's involved with every single player transaction.

 

So how is being involved with player transactions translates into direct influence over team selection?

Edited April 25, 201610 yr by undertow

Here's the link to Martin Samuel's article in the Mail which is a poor attempt at covering my points, but give the guy a chance because he's just starting off and might have a bright future in the business.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3556540/Chelsea-kids-seeing-club-s-flawed-youth-policy-Domingos-Quina-s-West-Ham-shows.html

 

If anyone's too offended to click on Mail articles (not about Kim K's massive hind quarters or how immigrants are reducing the value of your house and how that might cause cancer) then I'll post it but it's a decent piece. It goes in a bit too hard and doesn't seem to mention other youth players who are seemingly unhappy, like Solanke and Aina, but it's not a bad first attempt. 

Yeah it's a good article and shows that you can only dupe youth players for so long before they start to realise.

Apart from being named manager theres not much he can do. Hes helped secure some fantastic young players, sadly some of them are no longer at the club but thats another story. Lets see what he (and our scouting network) can pull off this summer. Im all gor an upgrade if possible, I just dont see a clear cut option available

We signed a string of great youngsters about four or five years ago when we bought in Hazard, Oscar, KDB, Courtois, Lukaku and maybe even Van Ginkle but that recruitment drive just seemed to grind to a halt.

Away from the youth side of things we've made strange investments in the first team we've bought far too many attacking midfielders without actually improving the first team.

We've bought £30m worth of left backs without again improving the first team.

Meanwhile the central midfield has stagnated. Ramires and Mikel were our reserve choices for what four years?

The point I'm trying to make is that as a club we don't appear to have a clear transfer strategy.

Youth buys feel scattergun now, buy enough of them and something will come good.

And the first team buys are puzzling as often as they are decent.

Here's the link to Martin Samuel's article in the Mail which is a poor attempt at covering my points, but give the guy a chance because he's just starting off and might have a bright future in the business.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3556540/Chelsea-kids-seeing-club-s-flawed-youth-policy-Domingos-Quina-s-West-Ham-shows.html

If anyone's too offended to click on Mail articles (not about Kim K's massive hind quarters or how immigrants are reducing the value of your house and how that might cause cancer) then I'll post it but it's a decent piece. It goes in a bit too hard and doesn't seem to mention other youth players who are seemingly unhappy, like Solanke and Aina, but it's not a bad first attempt.

Poor article. Although emanalo didn't cite lamps and Cole as successful projects in that interview. He used there names only to point out the importance of having an English core that understands the spirit of the club, in order to educate the foreign players around them, and bringing though lads from the aced my would be the best way to do this.

I like Samuel usually and there were plenty of things in this subject to get stuck into, but on this occasion he has totally misinterpreted the source information imo.

Poor article. Although emanalo didn't cite lamps and Cole as successful projects in that interview. He used there names only to point out the importance of having an English core that understands the spirit of the club, in order to educate the foreign players around them, and bringing though lads from the aced my would be the best way to do this.

I like Samuel usually and there were plenty of things in this subject to get stuck into, but on this occasion he has totally misinterpreted the source information imo.

 

Good points. I think Samuel's underlying premise is right but the specifics are off. Firstly, Quina isn't a great example. I think in a few months we could see the likes of Aina and Solanke coming to a similar conclusion and one could even say Christensen has made a similar determination. I agree on the Lamps and Cole point you're making too. He's on the right track though.

 

Here's a funny thing though. There's a player in our squad who is actually an Academy graduate (of sorts), an example of us buying young talent and developing them into key first-team players yet no-one has mentioned him. That player is Nemanja Matic.

 

Bought young, played in the youth team, a successful graduate of the Vitesse finishing school who became arguably world-class for a moment there.

 

Why doesn't he get a mention? Because he also represents the short-termist nature of this club where we will flog a promising player before giving him a chance and end up signing him back for FIVE TIMES the amount a couple of years later all to 'win now'.

 

So if we do sign Lukaku in the coming months and people do blame Jose for letting him go before he got a shot, just remind them that this is a Chelsea tradition of sorts and only having to pay double what we let a player go for is not only a bargain, it's progress.

the level of ambition for spurs is below our level of ambition and has been for years. if spurs were seriously ambitious, their board wouldn't have sold modric, bale etc for big fees and instead tried build a future around them. it is easier to play youth when your ambitions are mid table or reaching 5th/6th/7th place. it is only now spurs have had a good season that we're hearing so much about how great their young players are. however we're in a position, and have been for 10+ years where we have an owner who has invested heavily to see us at the top. we have succeeded that and then some, so we have to continue that trend otherwise we're just a club with mid table ambitions. we simply would never have been able to compete on all fronts (in europe and the league) if we relied heavily on youth. however, the time feels right now to introduce youth now because our youth system has been so successful these last few years. it is now or never tbh. 

Edited April 25, 201610 yr by enigma

It's not just about ambition it's about having belief in your academy.

You don't need to throw youth players in at the deep end and play them every week but bulk out the first team with a couple of young lads on the fringes.

There's no reason why Bamford or even Solanke couldn't have been our third choice striker this year but instead we looked short term and bought in a player on a twelve month loan for the second time in three years to fulfill that role.

Same with defence, we sent all our best youth players on loan and ended up with an inferior Didgeridoo being bought.

Same goes for left bank back, £18m spent on Baba and Ake is outperforming him at Watford.

Player recruitment is at odds with youth development.

Condescending, patronising, arrogant, massively insincere. I've got to hand it to you.I wouldn't have thought it possible for two short sentences to be so jam packed with bullsh*t.

 

I could elaborate, but  there really is no need.

Yes you could elaborate on how many times you have been banned from this site Hutch, Tommy Docherty, Lofty, Big Figure and very aptly Fuqqueue.

Yes you could elaborate on how many times you have been banned from this site Hutch, Tommy Docherty, Lofty, Big Figure and very aptly Fuqqueue.

 

 

And you know that because one of YOUR previous incarnations tells you so?

And you know that because one of YOUR previous incarnations tells you so?

It's Mother Superior who spends all her time policing the site. Forever the ex teacher a grammar nazi who's links to Chelsea are tenuious to say the least. Did you go to many Chelsea games when you were a wee bern back in the 1930's ?.

It's Mother Superior who spends all her time policing the site. Forever the ex teacher a grammar nazi whose links to Chelsea are tenuous to say the least. Did you go to many Chelsea games when you were a wee bairn back in the 1930's ?.

 

 

Sorted that for you!

It's Mother Superior who spends all her time policing the site. Forever the ex teacher a grammar nazi who's links to Chelsea are tenuious to say the least. Did you go to many Chelsea games when you were a wee bern back in the 1930's ?.

 

Quite possibly the most pathetic post in the history of this site, and we've seen some bad ones.

 

Mods - please remove this waste of skin and all of his/her other incarnations, they are nothing more than pollution.