1 hour ago, Barrettinator said:

Bayern got turned down by Arsenal last summer when they offered 35m for Sanchez. They definitely won't be offering much more now that he's got just 1 year left on his contract and could walk for free next summer. There's nothing stopping us from offering 50m even if Hazard stays (which I strongly believe he will). There have been several reports that we're going to spend a lot this summer. Might be the last big chance we get to splurge in the market before spending on the new stadium starts.

It all depends on Hazard. Usually when Real want a player, they get. Hazard said himself that he will only consider leaving if we win title which we are on our way to doing. You can't blame if he does want to leave. Been here for what 5 years now and won 2 titles and had memorable moments and I don't think fans can begrudge him of a move. I genuinely think he might want to leave. It is easy to say you are happy but when a bid is actually made from Real, it can turn any player's head.

6 minutes ago, STATS said:

It all depends on Hazard. Usually when Real want a player, they get. Hazard said himself that he will only consider leaving if we win title which we are on our way to doing. You can't blame if he does want to leave. Been here for what 5 years now and won 2 titles and had memorable moments and I don't think fans can begrudge him of a move. I genuinely think he might want to leave. It is easy to say you are happy but when a bid is actually made from Real, it can turn any player's head.

No, he never said "title" explicitly. He said he would only consider leaving "on a high note". Who says he won't want to fight for the CL next season (or isn't that the highest note?), especially when the board show him the signings we're going to make this summer? This fear of Real while not without basis is being vastly exaggerated. In recent history, they've lost out on two notable players who they really wanted and placed bids for; Neymar and De Gea. They can't just muscle top clubs out of their own players anymore. Especially not in the PL of today where money isn't a problem for clubs like Chelsea. Unless Hazard actually seriously pushes for a move, which nothing indicates he will do, then this whole story is meaningless. 

Edited March 28, 20179 yr by Barrettinator

2 minutes ago, STATS said:

It all depends on Hazard. Usually when Real want a player, they get.

You mean like when they've wanted Courtois, De Gea and Hazard for the past few seasons?

9 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

No, he never said "title" explicitly. He said he would only consider leaving "on a high note". Who says he won't want to fight for the CL next season (or isn't that the highest note?), especially when the board show him the signings we're going to make this summer? This fear of Real while not without basis is being vastly exaggerated. In recent history, they've lost out on two notable players who they really wanted and placed bids for; Neymar and De Gea. They can't just muscle top clubs out of their own players anymore. Especially not in the PL of today where money isn't a problem for clubs like Chelsea. Unless Hazard actually seriously pushes for a move, which nothing indicates he will do, then this whole story is meaningless. 

You are really wrong. Hazard said this: "I made clear I had no intention of leaving after such a poor year. I didn’t want to go out like that. If I ever leave, it’ll be after winning a championship. You need to go out on a high so that people remember you for the right reasons." He clearly stated after winning a championship. Can you actually show me proof of them bidding for Neymar. They were interested in him but never materialized into anything more IIRC and he went Barca. If one of the two come in for a player, hard to say no.

De Gea would of gone to Real but because of documents not being signed on time, he had to stay. That was another big player, United were about to lose to Real and United were prepared to let him go because he wanted to leave. Pogba would have joined Real as well imo if Real matched United's bid.

We are not a selling club but been ages since a club like Barca or Real have pressed us for our top players. This might be a first for a long while since Robben who did not make same type of impact during his time at Bridge. People are being naive if they are dismissing any chance of a deal happening.

5 minutes ago, Maksimov said:

You mean like when they've wanted Courtois, De Gea and Hazard for the past few seasons?

See above regarding DDG. Courtois they were interested in but they did not actually submit a huge offer for him. Was just rumours and speculation. Hazard too, they never bid for him but now they are showing their intentions.

4 minutes ago, STATS said:

Courtois they were interested in but they did not actually submit a huge offer for him. Was just rumours and speculation. Hazard too, they never bid for him but now they are showing their intentions.

Which means they're not going to get the player. If they still were the financial power house people claim they are, they would offer the kind of sums that would seal the deal. They can't afford to flex their muscles like they did in early '00s. The market has changed in a way that the prices of players have gone up so significantly that Real Madrid can't just fire €uros at other clubs and get what they want. They just can't afford it.

Just now, Maksimov said:

Which means they're not going to get the player. If they still were the financial power house people claim they are, they would offer the kind of sums that would seal the deal. They can't afford to flex their muscles like they did in early '00s. The market has changed in a way that the prices of players have gone up so significantly that Real Madrid can't just fire €uros at other clubs and get what they want. They just can't afford it.

I hope so but then you have their ex-president, Calderon claiming that Real can afford £100m for him.

1 minute ago, STATS said:

You are really wrong. Hazard said this: "I made clear I had no intention of leaving after such a poor year. I didn’t want to go out like that. If I ever leave, it’ll be after winning a championship. You need to go out on a high so that people remember you for the right reasons." He clearly stated after winning a championship. Can you actually show me proof of them bidding for Neymar. They were interested in him but never materialized into anything more IIRC and he went Barca. If one of the two come in for a player, hard to say no.

De Gea would of gone to Real but because of documents not being signed on time, he had to stay. That was another big player, United were about to lose to Real and United were prepared to let him go because he wanted to leave. Pogba would have joined Real as well imo if Real matched United's bid.

We are not a selling club but been ages since a club like Barca or Real have pressed us for our top players. This might be a first for a long while since Robben who did not make same type of impact during his time at Bridge. People are being naive if they are dismissing any chance of a deal happening.

See above regarding DDG. Courtois they were interested in but they did not actually submit a huge offer for him. Was just rumours and speculation. Hazard too, they never bid for him but now they are showing their intentions.

Is the Champions League not a championship or am I missing something?

Also, they DID bid for Neymar. In fact, they offered TWICE what Barca offered Neymar in wages. They also tried to pull off a transfer coup again just before Neymar signed his latest Barca contract. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/10082393/Neymar-joined-Barcelona-and-rejected-Real-Madrid-for-footballing-reasons-not-money-says-Tito-Vilanova.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2163147/barcelona-transfer-news-neymar-was-subject-of-poaching-bid-from-real-madrid-before-signing-new-deal/

http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2013/05/27/4008556/real-madrid-offered-double-barcelonas-bid-for-neymar

And many other sources you can find with a simple Google search.

 

If you REALLY think De Gea's transfer was innocently hampered by a faulty fax machine in this day and age of emails and PDFs, then you're quite naive. Woodward played the long game until the window was shut and eventually won. He wasn't about to lose De Gea to Madrid. That was no coincidence.

 

No one is saying it'll never happen. Just that it most definitely won't happen this summer. Unless Hazard actually puts in a transfer request. Which won't happen either as he's not itching to leave. At the end of the summer, he'll still be in a Chelsea shirt. I can guarantee you that.

Robben situation doesn't count as "selling club" either. We would have loved to keep him but his persistent injuries hampered his Chelsea career and we made the best deal we could get from it. We're in an even better position now than we were in the past.

Didn't we also turn down Barca's 35m bid for Luiz a few years ago? And this is when he wasn't even giving us monster performances. We're not selling Hazard unless he really pushes for the move.

1 minute ago, STATS said:

I hope so but then you have their ex-president, Calderon claiming that Real can afford £100m for him.

He will cost much more than 100m if we're indeed put in a position to sell. We got 60m for f**king Oscar and 50m for Luiz. We're not going to sell Hazard for a mere 100m should that situation ever arise.

1 minute ago, STATS said:

I hope so but then you have their ex-president, Calderon claiming that Real can afford £100m for him.

If Hazard goes it will be for more than £100m

2 minutes ago, STATS said:

I hope so but then you have their ex-president, Calderon claiming that Real can afford £100m for him.

But who says 100 million is enough to seal the deal in the current market? Pogba was a 90 million transfer, yet he wasn't nowhere near a finished product. Hazard is the real deal, so they need to dig a little deeper into their pockets.

1 minute ago, Maksimov said:

But who says 100 million is enough to seal the deal in the current market? Pogba was a 90 million transfer, yet he wasn't nowhere near a finished product. Hazard is the real deal, so they need to dig a little deeper into their pockets.

And they backed out of the Pogba deal because they weren't willing to pay 90m. Real aren't the bullies everyone makes them out to be. Not in today's market at least. They're not going to bully the biggest teams into selling their players.

1 minute ago, Barrettinator said:

And they backed out of the Pogba deal because they weren't willing to pay 90m. Real aren't the bullies everyone makes them out to be. Not in today's market at least. They're not going to bully the biggest teams into selling their players.

Exactly!

26 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

Is the Champions League not a championship or am I missing something?

Also, they DID bid for Neymar. In fact, they offered TWICE what Barca offered Neymar in wages. They also tried to pull off a transfer coup again just before Neymar signed his latest Barca contract. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/10082393/Neymar-joined-Barcelona-and-rejected-Real-Madrid-for-footballing-reasons-not-money-says-Tito-Vilanova.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2163147/barcelona-transfer-news-neymar-was-subject-of-poaching-bid-from-real-madrid-before-signing-new-deal/

http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2013/05/27/4008556/real-madrid-offered-double-barcelonas-bid-for-neymar

And many other sources you can find with a simple Google search.

 

If you REALLY think De Gea's transfer was innocently hampered by a faulty fax machine in this day and age of emails and PDFs, then you're quite naive. Woodward played the long game until the window was shut and eventually won. He wasn't about to lose De Gea to Madrid. That was no coincidence.

 

No one is saying it'll never happen. Just that it most definitely won't happen this summer. Unless Hazard actually puts in a transfer request. Which won't happen either as he's not itching to leave. At the end of the summer, he'll still be in a Chelsea shirt. I can guarantee you that.

Robben situation doesn't count as "selling club" either. We would have loved to keep him but his persistent injuries hampered his Chelsea career and we made the best deal we could get from it. We're in an even better position now than we were in the past.

Didn't we also turn down Barca's 35m bid for Luiz a few years ago? And this is when he wasn't even giving us monster performances. We're not selling Hazard unless he really pushes for the move.

Well they are competing with Barca. If one team goes for one player who does not interest the other La Liga giant, more times they will get their man. Maybe that was a tactic card used by Woodard but DDG wanted the move and I think Hazard might surprise people in summer by stating he wants to leave. What happens from there, I am not sure. Can't remember with Luiz but did he push for the move. I am stating that if Hazard states his desire to leave for pastures new, puts us in whole new predicament. And no by championship, I refer to that as a league title. If it was Champions League he would of stated 'Champions League'.

22 minutes ago, Maksimov said:

But who says 100 million is enough to seal the deal in the current market? Pogba was a 90 million transfer, yet he wasn't nowhere near a finished product. Hazard is the real deal, so they need to dig a little deeper into their pockets.

My point is if they have £100m to spend on him, they prob can stretch that too and they prob will sell Morata or Benzema for a lot of money on top of that.

I pray Hazard is here but knowing how much Zidane admires Hazard, I can see them going all out for him this summer. Hopefully Hazard says he is happy to be here so then we just decide he is not available for any price.

 

Edited March 28, 20179 yr by STATS

Remember that transfer fees are usually amortised now, so 100m is really 'only' 20m/year which is a pindrop compared to Real's revenue.

1 minute ago, STATS said:

Well they are competing with Barca. If one team goes for one player who does not interest the other La Liga giant, more times they will get their man. Maybe that was a tactic card used by Woodard but DDG wanted the move and I think Hazard might surprise people in summer by stating he wants to leave. What happens from there, I am not sure. Can't remember with Luiz but did he push for the move. I am stating that if Hazard states his desire to leave for pastures new, puts us in whole new predicament. And no by championship, I refer to that as a league title. If it was Champions League he would of stated 'Champions League'.

You could as well say "if Barca come calling, who wouldn't want to leave?". I'm sure Luiz would have loved to play for Barca but he didn't put in a request. Many people would argue that Barca are a bigger club than Madrid these days. They have a larger trophy haul anyway. Here's the Luiz one http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/420489/Chelsea-reject-35m-Barcelona-bid-for-David-Luiz

You're not just stating, you're assuming that Hazard wants to leave when there has been no indication of that and in fact, what we've seen is the contrary. This is purely based on this notion that every single kid on the planet wants to play for Madrid and will fall over themselves to do so. Until you see quotes from Hazard or sources from reputable outlets saying Hazard is pushing for the move, it's absurd to think he wants to move right now. This fear of Real Madrid is tiring. 

8 minutes ago, STATS said:

My point is if they have £100m to spend on him, they prob can stretch that too and they prob will sell Morata or Benzema for a lot of money on top of that.

I pray Hazard is here but i

 

That's like saying if Chelsea have 30m to spend on a player, they can stretch it to 70m just because the money is there. That's not necessarily the case. Perez rates Benzema very highly, just ask Madrid fans. Benzema is going nowhere. And no one is going to pay that absurd 70m+ fee for Morata who doesn't even have a full season of being a starting CF under his belt.

5 minutes ago, STATS said:

My point is if they have £100m to spend on him, they prob can stretch that too and they prob will sell Morata or Benzema for a lot of money on top of that.

In the early '00s I would've been confident that they can buy anyone they please, but not in the current market. 100 million will probably not be enough to get the player. Hazard's contract is still valid for a few years and he doesn't have a buy-out clause, so it's gonna take a new world record transfer fee to even get Chelsea interested.

8 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Remember that transfer fees are usually amortised now, so 100m is really 'only' 20m/year which is a pindrop compared to Real's revenue.

If they can't pay it all up front, I don't think Chelsea are interested in making a deal. Chelsea needs to have the funds to buy the replacements right away. Unlike some other clubs, Chelsea is trying to play by the Financial Fair Play rules.

5 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

You could as well say "if Barca come calling, who wouldn't want to leave?". I'm sure Luiz would have loved to play for Barca but he didn't put in a request. Many people would argue that Barca are a bigger club than Madrid these days. They have a larger trophy haul anyway. Here's the Luiz one http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/420489/Chelsea-reject-35m-Barcelona-bid-for-David-Luiz

You're not just stating, you're assuming that Hazard wants to leave when there has been no indication of that and in fact, what we've seen is the contrary. This is purely based on this notion that every single kid on the planet wants to play for Madrid and will fall over themselves to do so. Until you see quotes from Hazard or sources from reputable outlets saying Hazard is pushing for the move, it's absurd to think he wants to move right now. This fear of Real Madrid is tiring. 

That's like saying if Chelsea have 30m to spend on a player, they can stretch it to 70m just because the money is there. That's not necessarily the case. Perez rates Benzema very highly, just ask Madrid fans. Benzema is going nowhere. And no one is going to pay that absurd 70m+ fee for Morata who doesn't even have a full season of being a starting CF under his belt.

Did not realise that about Benzema but they probably will sell Morata. I think Hazard might want to leave because he has been here for 5 years and might want a new challenge. A lot of European players have that dream of playing for one of them. They are two of the biggest clubs in the world. And let's face it, more times a player does not move, it is not down to him saying, no. All top players they have gone for have not come out and stated they do not want to move. Courtois said he is happy here but once again let's wait until a bid is actually put in.

I see reasons why Hazard wants to leave. Arguably the biggest club in the world and he can say he has achieved a lot at Chelsea. Time will tell but I am not as dismissive as you and other's about Real potentially getting him. There is a threat imo.

Well, we do have that giant pile of Chinese cash for Oscar sitting around...as for Hazard I would rather lose him on a free a year later than get a record fee for him. You can't put a price on being seeing as a non-selling club, and I'm sure Roman can always part with one of his smaller yachts to make up the difference.

4 minutes ago, STATS said:

Did not realise that about Benzema but they probably will sell Morata. I think Hazard might want to leave because he has been here for 5 years and might want a new challenge. A lot of European players have that dream of playing for one of them. They are two of the biggest clubs in the world. And let's face it, more times a player does not move, it is not down to him saying, no. All top players they have gone for have not come out and stated they do not want to move. Courtois said he is happy here but once again let's wait until a bid is actually put in.

I see reasons why Hazard wants to leave. Arguably the biggest club in the world and he can say he has achieved a lot at Chelsea. Time will tell but I am not as dismissive as you and other's about Real potentially getting him. There is a threat imo.

Again, there's no evidence that Hazard wants to leave right now. I'm not saying he'll never leave. I'm saying there's absolutely no way it happens this summer. From next year, yes, it becomes likely. Which still doesn't give any assurances that it'll happen. This is like the "Aguero to Madrid" rumour that went on strongly for the past 3 years or so but still hasn't and probably will never materialize. Marca and co were also running strongly with the "Courtois to Madrid" romour until the lad came out and rubbished it for good. But then we know Courtois has a big mouth and is never afraid to talk, which is the opposite of Hazard who hardly says anything controversial if at all he speaks. Are we because of Hazard's nature of not saying much just going to assume "he wants to leave"? Come on mate.

6 minutes ago, bluelion111 said:

Well, we do have that giant pile of Chinese cash for Oscar sitting around...as for Hazard I would rather lose him on a free a year later than get a record fee for him. You can't put a price on being seeing as a non-selling club, and I'm sure Roman can always part with one of his smaller yachts to make up the difference.

He has 3 years left on his contract and will likely get an extension in a matter of weeks that'll take his contract to 2022. No chance we're letting a player like Hazard ever have 1 year left on his contract. That's very dangerous.

Feel good factor at the club I'm sure haz will want to see what conte can do in the CL next year especially with summer signings and the prospect of a haz costa Sanchez front line, if they want haz I think we will draw blood back Bd want bale, if haz gives us another year and we have bale and Sanchez up top with Kante and bakayoko and Kante behind them I wouldn't be heart broken, either way I can almost guarantee he will want to give the CL a go with conte, and if we do sell him we will replace with someone world class 

I don't see them selling Bale. Hazard would be to add to guys like Bale not replace them 

Edited March 28, 20179 yr by Chelsbear

Wanting to go out on top in this case was only a reference to the disaster last season. I'd be surprised if he doesn't want to at least give it another go in the CL and go out on top that way. It's all dependant on him and even if we win the league next season he still may not want to go because he could have unfinished business in Europe with us. 

3 hours ago, Barrettinator said:

Again, there's no evidence that Hazard wants to leave right now. I'm not saying he'll never leave. I'm saying there's absolutely no way it happens this summer. From next year, yes, it becomes likely. Which still doesn't give any assurances that it'll happen. This is like the "Aguero to Madrid" rumour that went on strongly for the past 3 years or so but still hasn't and probably will never materialize. Marca and co were also running strongly with the "Courtois to Madrid" romour until the lad came out and rubbished it for good. But then we know Courtois has a big mouth and is never afraid to talk, which is the opposite of Hazard who hardly says anything controversial if at all he speaks. Are we because of Hazard's nature of not saying much just going to assume "he wants to leave"? Come on mate.

Summer gone, people thought he was going to leave however I think fans and Hazard himself felt he owed us one more stellar season as he was below-par last season and that is why I can this season being likely as he has made up for last season and been standout in a season we are about to regain the PL title. I hope not but if he does leave this summer it would be on a high, winning a title which prob would make him consider a move as he has said this himself. A lot depends on Hazard. If he wants to leave or if he wants to stay, either way I think Real will test our resolve from which Hazard will make an announcement and that will tell a lot. That is true about Aguero however Zidance is a huge fan of Hazard and rates him as third best player in world and he knows Hazard will improve that team. Let's just hope he is here next season.