As annoying as it is when random youtube video's get dropped (who has the time), I thought this was very good.

tl:dr
- they are not going anywhere
- there are fairly likely to start changing senior personnel - e.g. SDs, manager - fairly soon
- they are fairly likely to have to change the "model" a bit (older players, more control to manager)
- they are very likely to have to sell some players that can be sold for serious profit this summer - and this will hurt (I dunno, pick one of Palmer, James, Estevau... ☹️ f***ing hell)

https://youtu.be/A9u0JWHAKqo?si=qZcCbixmFhifz4kE

So they are not going to change their stance and want us to trust them…….

Feck off you assholes ….

Fancy an FA Cup ticket -v- Leeds for £1705?

Edited April 17Apr 17 by dermott

2 hours ago, dermott said:

Fancy an FA Cup ticket -v- Leeds for £1705?

Absolute f**king disgrace.

4 hours ago, _Ilya_ said:

As annoying as it is when random youtube video's get dropped (who has the time), I thought this was very good.

tl:dr
- they are not going anywhere
- there are fairly likely to start changing senior personnel - e.g. SDs, manager - fairly soon
- they are fairly likely to have to change the "model" a bit (older players, more control to manager)
- they are very likely to have to sell some players that can be sold for serious profit this summer - and this will hurt (I dunno, pick one of Palmer, James, Estevau... ☹️ f***ing hell)

https://youtu.be/A9u0JWHAKqo?si=qZcCbixmFhifz4kE

The bold is literally 90% of what we are asking for.

Get rid of the clowns, get an experienced manager with a say in transfers, and tweak the profile of players we bring in to the first team. Appoint an actual sporting director that knows what they are doing.

Edited April 17Apr 17 by Sconnie Blue

You can get one in the Leeds end for 6 pigeons and a whippet.

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The bold is literally 90% of what we are asking for.

Get rid of the clowns, get an experienced manager with a say in transfers, and tweak the profile of players we bring in to the first team. Appoint an actual sporting director that knows what they are doing.

This has to be the focus of the protest, Blueco ain’t going anywhere soon but the SD’s and manager need to go now.

3 hours ago, dermott said:

Fancy an FA Cup ticket -v- Leeds for £1705?

sh*t like this should be the focus of the protest. We could be the most abject team in the league (bar Tottenham obviously) and there still wouldn't be anything quite as craven as a co-owner of the team scalping his own f**king fans.

1 minute ago, PloKoon13 said:

sh*t like this should be the focus of the protest. We could be the most abject team in the league (bar Tottenham obviously) and there still wouldn't be anything quite as craven as a co-owner of the team scalping his own f**king fans.

Focus of the protest is key. There are myriad complaints, they need to be distilled. BlueCo Out is a waste of time and energy. They’re not going anywhere.

2 hours ago, C3blue said:

This has to be the focus of the protest, Blueco ain’t going anywhere soon but the SD’s and manager need to go now.

Wrong.

There is no money left, it has all been spent and our debt it huge.

Only way forward is BlueCo out.

55 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Wrong.

There is no money left, it has all been spent and our debt it huge.

Only way forward is BlueCo out.

I thought they were locked in for at least 10yrs?

I don’t know about you but I don’t want another 5-6 years of this ‘project’.

It’s the SD’s who have sold the board on this sh*t, they had other ideas before the Brighton twats came in. Didn’t have a problem signing established players and paying wages then.

Our biggest problem is complying with PSR….. don’t worry about the debt as has been explained their pockets are deep and refinancing loans is all part of the game. I couldn’t care less about share prices, share holders, dividends. I just care about what happens on the pitch.

Edited April 17Apr 17 by C3blue

2 hours ago, dermott said:

Focus of the protest is key. There are myriad complaints, they need to be distilled. BlueCo Out is a waste of time and energy. They’re not going anywhere.

Just wait for the inevitable we hate Tottenham chants smh.

49 minutes ago, C3blue said:

I thought they were locked in for at least 10yrs?

I don’t know about you but I don’t want another 5-6 years of this ‘project’.

It’s the SD’s who have sold the board on this sh*t, they had other ideas before the Brighton twats came in. Didn’t have a problem signing established players and paying wages then.

Our biggest problem is complying with PSR….. don’t worry about the debt as has been explained their pockets are deep and refinancing loans is all part of the game. I couldn’t care less about share prices, share holders, dividends. I just care about what happens on the pitch.

Wrong. Watch the various YouTube videos and the Bobby Fairview analysis tweets. There is no money, just massive debt. 750m has to be stumped up in 2027. The PE finance packages that got them the club are closed and cannot be added to. The PE model has to have a set exit point, its part of the investment facility that these pension funds and vehicles invest into.

Make no bones about it, its perilous anyway but fail to get CL and we are staring into the abyss.

No debt is real. Money doesn’t even exist. The whole banking system is a house of cards. Do you think those promissory notes people call cash are actually worth the paper they are written on? If everyone went to the bank to withdraw their savings there is int enough cash in the world to cover it. It’s all bo**ocks, a game. These people know this.

I was under the impression that all so called debt was held in a holding company….. fold it and move on that’s how they usually do it. You can declare your left pocket bankrupt while holding a million in your right pocket that can’t be touched. It happens everyday and means nothing it’s just credits and debits. When you can create your own credits you don’t have to worry about the debits.

As always my concern is the team not the money.

Edited April 17Apr 17 by C3blue

1 hour ago, C3blue said:

No debt is real. Money doesn’t even exist. The whole banking system is a house of cards. Do you think those promissory notes people call cash are actually worth the paper they are written on? If everyone went to the bank to withdraw their savings there is int enough cash in the world to cover it. It’s all bo**ocks, a game. These people know this.

I was under the impression that all so called debt was held in a holding company….. fold it and move on that’s how they usually do it. You can declare your left pocket bankrupt while holding a million in your right pocket that can’t be touched. It happens everyday and means nothing it’s just credits and debits. When you can create your own credits you don’t have to worry about the debits.

As always my concern is the team not the money.

The temptation is to think that these people borrow and repay like we plebs use a credit card or a home loan. They operate at a level of wealth where their banks and lenders need them to grow their investments, not repay their loans. As long as the holding company's debts don't exceed the potential sale value of the club, BlueCo don't care.

That's why, maybe counterintuitively, BlueCo Out is the best and most powerful protest message. Because they are people to whom debt is a temporary inconvenience, criticising their personal capability and competence is more effective. Make their reputation so bad that no one wants to invest in Clearlake in general, and we'll see change or results

27 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

The temptation is to think that these people borrow and repay like we plebs use a credit card or a home loan. They operate at a level of wealth where their banks and lenders need them to grow their investments, not repay their loans. As long as the holding company's debts don't exceed the potential sale value of the club, BlueCo don't care.

That's why, maybe counterintuitively, BlueCo Out is the best and most powerful protest message. Because they are people to whom debt is a temporary inconvenience, criticising their personal capability and competence is more effective. Make their reputation so bad that no one wants to invest in Clearlake in general, and we'll see change or results

Exactly this.

However aren’t Blueco locked in for 10yrs minimum?

I don’t want another 5-6 yrs of this so Blueco out short term is not an option. I hate everything they stand for and how they operate but as a football fan I want immediate change on the pitch and how our first team is being run that means SD’s and manager out before we can even think about those above them.

4 minutes ago, C3blue said:

Exactly this.

However aren’t Blueco locked in for 10yrs minimum?

I don’t want another 5-6 yrs of this so Blueco out short term is not an option. I hate everything they stand for and how they operate but as a football fan I want immediate change on the pitch and how our first team is being run that means SD’s and manager out before we can even think about those above them.

No, they can sell. Previous videos on this thread have shown that.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

No, they can sell. Previous videos on this thread have shown that.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

No, they can sell. Previous videos on this thread have shown that.

I haven’t seen such videos, I’m going from the original terms of the sale. It seems none of those terms have been adhered to so I’ll have to take your word for it. I’m really not one for trailing through finances, the money has been there, it’s been spent just badly.

Still doesn’t change the fact that if we want things to change immediately, I’m talking this summer ready for next season we need this failed ‘project’ to end that means getting rid of the 2 SD clowns and their puppet.

If that happens we might not need Blueco out, the scousers wanted Fenway out till they appointed Klopp and co to run the football side. It could take years to find a buyer even if they were willing to sell. A new SD and manager can be in place next week. That’s all I’m saying.

53 minutes ago, C3blue said:

I haven’t seen such videos, I’m going from the original terms of the sale. It seems none of those terms have been adhered to so I’ll have to take your word for it. I’m really not one for trailing through finances, the money has been there, it’s been spent just badly.

Still doesn’t change the fact that if we want things to change immediately, I’m talking this summer ready for next season we need this failed ‘project’ to end that means getting rid of the 2 SD clowns and their puppet.

If that happens we might not need Blueco out, the scousers wanted Fenway out till they appointed Klopp and co to run the football side. It could take years to find a buyer even if they were willing to sell. A new SD and manager can be in place next week. That’s all I’m saying.

There are far more than just Winstanley and Stewart.

Sam Jewell, Joe Shields and his legion on kinetic mates.

This is a private equity model, there is no changing it, there is only removing BlueCo. Until they are gone the only way we go is down, and become the next Spurs.

@C3blue here is such a video that blueco can sell:

4 hours ago, axman2526 said:

There are far more than just Winstanley and Stewart.

Sam Jewell, Joe Shields and his legion on kinetic mates.

This is a private equity model, there is no changing it, there is only removing BlueCo. Until they are gone the only way we go is down, and become the next Spurs.

The private equity model as you put it has already changed once since they have been here so yes it can change again.

Don’t make the mistake of thinking I am defending Blueco here but I think Blueco out at this stage is a pipe dream.

As for that video and whether or not the selling of an asset is considered an exit or not rather than shares when the shares are generated by the asset may take some legal wrangling I don’t know. I’m certainly not taking Youness’s word for it.

What I do know is you don’t buy something for billions without having a 5-10yr plan and disgruntled fans here and there are water off a ducks back.

My fear is attacking the board as a whole may force them to put their wagons in a circle and unite where as pointing the fingers at those f**king up the football side of things might make them have another rethink.

The SD’s and the manager, those directly responsible for the sh*t I have to sit through every week should be our immediate concern and it’s a battle we can win.

8 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

That's why, maybe counterintuitively, BlueCo Out is the best and most powerful protest message. Because they are people to whom debt is a temporary inconvenience, criticising their personal capability and competence is more effective. Make their reputation so bad that no one wants to invest in Clearlake in general, and we'll see change or results

They also seem like the kind of egotists who wouldn't respond well to attacks on their masculinity. So if someone were to, say, start a rumour that one of them is impotent...

Blue Co. whilst targeting Champions League football may achieve similar returns with Europa or even Conference league football. If they were to win the Europa they would get 25m +. Winning the Conference 15m + whilst achieving round of 16/ quarters in the Champions league 30m+.

I dont believe any of the three above would be enough to sustain their spending, Champions League qualification is only part of the story. The next manager might be targeted with a much better showing than the way we exited the top competition this year.

At least it looks like the penny might have finally dropped that business value isn't more important than winning ...

10 hours ago, C3blue said:

I haven’t seen such videos, I’m going from the original terms of the sale. It seems none of those terms have been adhered to so I’ll have to take your word for it. I’m really not one for trailing through finances, the money has been there, it’s been spent just badly.

Still doesn’t change the fact that if we want things to change immediately, I’m talking this summer ready for next season we need this failed ‘project’ to end that means getting rid of the 2 SD clowns and their puppet.

If that happens we might not need Blueco out, the scousers wanted Fenway out till they appointed Klopp and co to run the football side. It could take years to find a buyer even if they were willing to sell. A new SD and manager can be in place next week. That’s all I’m saying.

That's the point. The money wasn't there, it was borrowed at inflated interest rates. Unlike for us there aren't monthly repayments to be made, the full balance plus interest is due at maturity. Fail to stump up the money and the finance company size the club, break it up and sell it off piecemeal. It is what Ares management are currently doing with Lyon and Botafogo having snatched the clubs from Textor's old company