17 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Hey Mo !

Don't American teams move from one location to another hundreds of miles away on a yearly basis and no one cares ?

🤣

Yeah, it's really weird but it's normal over there. Also name changes and because of sponsorship their stadium names change too.

I posted a link recently about that btw...can't remember where atm.

12 hours ago, dkw said:

The point is unfortunately the Bridge is holding us back financially, its almost impossible for us to develop it to compete. So the choice is we lose ground as a club on the pitch with the top clubs, dont compete for trophies anymore (other than the domestic cups) or move to somewhere we can build to continue to compete at the top level. Its sh*t we would have to leave the Bridge to do this, but thats the reality.

If a 60,000 stadium helps clubs to compete for trophies ( as you say, other than domestic cups ), then Arsenal, West Ham , Man Utd aren't a good examples, although Hammers did win a European trophy, granted.

Thing is, spending wise, we haven't been left behind .. just wished it had been spent better.

The bigger stadium is a result of PSR.

And a wealthy owner can use his own wealth  to give a club an advantage over those who haven't got that type of owner by building his club a bigger stadium. So where's the fecking fair play in that ?

Basically, I'm selfish, don't want to move away !

Have a good weekend 

Come on you BLUES!

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

Yeah, it's really weird but it's normal over there. Also name changes and because of sponsorship their stadium names change too.

I posted a link recently about that btw...can't remember where atm.

You know over here there are many PL, and other rival league   football clubs in London, and cities have rival,large teams is it same in say, New York and other Cities over there?

If we can only fit a 60’000 seater stadium on the SB site, then do that (I struggle to see us getting 60 thou every week - even before we became also-rans) and whack up the ticket prices.

Most match going football fans are addicts and will complain but cough up. Just as they do when they don’t like the owners - wear a funny coloured scarf and sing some derogatory songs and buy next years season ticket.

19 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

You know over here there are many PL, and other rival league   football clubs in London, and cities have rival,large teams is it same in say, New York and other Cities over there?

Yes and no. There are rivalries, mainly due to losing against them the previous season for example. But nothing like the tribalism here lol.

Over there you also have what I call the fixed supporter that will support their team every season. Then you have the roamers, lol. They will support the team they think will win that season. I'm mostly talking about nfl and baseball, and tbh I haven't been to the states in a while, so my info comes from updates from my American mates.

for "Soccer" no idea. My mates are diehard yanks and only interested in soccer during the World Cup if that. I remember explaining the grp stages to them during 2010.

3 hours ago, Simplymo said:

And we will be back here again in the not too distant future if we only have a 60k seater.

Yes we may be far from silverware atm buy I dont think that matters rgdn this.

60k is nothing when it comes to concerts or other entertainment and other sports. 

I can see an NFL sellout, especially with the connections our owners have. Or baseball or whatever they have else.

End of the day, it's all revenue. We will get more if we have the space. And the stadium design Roman had was good, very good but its still limited. In 10-20 yrs we will be back here again if we don't plan for further ahead from now. 

Yeah, here's my issue. Supposedly the side were currently building and model sticking too see the club perform on the pitch for less money. The wage structure should cap salaries and buying low means we should make money on most transfers or sell the youth. In the meanwhile, revenues increase from tv rights/ sponsorship and all those goodies. Where is all the money going if not back into the club? Cant these avenues far offset the extra 10 million a larger stadium might bring even with corporate over a season?   

Let's not beat about the bush, the plot we occupy is a hallowed land for property developers. More so in 10-20 years time. or even as little as 7 years. Would much rather watch CFC in Chelsea over Richmond, Twickenham or Watford. Even south of the river would be head spinning for a home game. 

Anyhow, looks like we're back to square one with this white elephant. 

 

2 hours ago, bluetrooper said:

Yeah, here's my issue. Supposedly the side were currently building and model sticking too see the club perform on the pitch for less money. The wage structure should cap salaries and buying low means we should make money on most transfers or sell the youth. In the meanwhile, revenues increase from tv rights/ sponsorship and all those goodies. Where is all the money going if not back into the club? Cant these avenues far offset the extra 10 million a larger stadium might bring even with corporate over a season?   

Let's not beat about the bush, the plot we occupy is a hallowed land for property developers. More so in 10-20 years time. or even as little as 7 years. Would much rather watch CFC in Chelsea over Richmond, Twickenham or Watford. Even south of the river would be head spinning for a home game. 

Anyhow, looks like we're back to square one with this white elephant. 

 

I was thinking Stamford Bridge can remain as it is for the chelsea women's squad. 

There was an article that it won't be long  before we can fill the stadium for a woman's game at the speed it's growing now (tbh, it's just an article I read in the guardian, I don't really watch women's football but I'll post the link below)

Also didn't chels split the women from men...maybe we can sell them the old stadium to fund the new one. Lol

Seriously wouldn't put it past them though...

Also they have their own commercial arm now too.

 

Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't want to leave the Bridge.

Its been 8 yrs since they designed the proposed stadium (the cathedral). Technology, materials and techniques have evolved or improved. Also add the 1.2 acres from stoll mansions.

If they can redesign the cathedral or design a 80k capacity stadium then I'd definitely go for that. 80k might be lower than the owners had in mind but to a fan that's an acceptable compromise to stay at the bridge. 

But I think something needs to be done though regardless, we are falling behind everyone else. I fkn hate the spuds and to think their stadium brings in 100mil per year annoys me. Lol.

I also think these owners can put bums on seats wether it's concerts, nfl game, etc and bring in revenue especially from the corporate sector too.

 

So you don't have to read the whole link:

"The spin-off of the women’s team from the men’s into a separate holding company, BlueCo, with the same owners, may be playing a part in that. The better the women’s team does, the more attractive it will be to investors.

Where do they play?

Chelsea did an excellent job at making Kingsmeadow a home for the women’s team. The branding and thought that has gone into the stadium was impressive, but it came just as the Blues were starting to outgrow the ground. Parking is a nightmare, queues are not great, but that is the price of success. Four of the team’s WSL games and all Champions League games will be played at Stamford Bridge this season. This step has been long overdue. The club have struggled to get ticket pricing right though. Solve that, continue to show ambition in increasing the number of games at the main stadium and it will not be long before this side are selling out Stamford Bridge regularly."

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/sep/12/womens-super-league-2024-25-previews-no-4-chelsea

Edited September 14, 20241 yr by Simplymo

You know how ppl moan and say how Roman bought Chelsea and started to change the PL to what it is now. Money being thrown about, foreign players, etc. We'll fk it, its Chelsea, we lead, they follow.

Won't be long before every club follows our highly incentivised minimum wage system or collecting players as stock and commodities. And it won't be long before every fan needs a financial degree if they want to know more about their club than just watching 11 of their men on a pitch kicking a ball.

Football is changing again, it's inevitable and I hate maths. Lol

Rant over...

14 hours ago, Vin1968 said:

Romans architects planned a 60,000 stadium before we purchased stoll 

decent architects can solve this problem.

on a selfish note I got tickets for the massive barrow game,

also got the massive Brighton match

then the huge gent game

i just as well move into the hotel.

Always wondered why the pitch facing side of the hotel wasn’t converted to

executive boxes instead of investment in west view.

 

The costings for that 600000 stadium were enormous, it just wasn't cost effective to build it. The bridge is hemmed in round the footprint, to expand down/out the groundworks alone would be 10's of millions, if not 100's. 

It's ironic that the land the bridge is on is worth a massive amount, but we cant do sod all with it.

15 hours ago, Vin1968 said:

Does the position in the premier league belong to Chelsea.fc

or blue co?

The owners own the playing licence, via the ownership of the club.

15 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

Sadly I can see ways to get round it.

Just a change of name . They did it to Wimbledon by changing their name to MK Dons and moving the club to Milton Keynes. But reading your piece it might be different for us ?

Anyway, how much MORE money does the PL need ? Pure Greed 

Could they call the team BlueCo FC ?

Stop with the ridiculous hyperbole.

9 hours ago, Simplymo said:

You know how ppl moan and say how Roman bought Chelsea and started to change the PL to what it is now. Money being thrown about, foreign players, etc. We'll fk it, its Chelsea, we lead, they follow.

Won't be long before every club follows our highly incentivised minimum wage system or collecting players as stock and commodities. And it won't be long before every fan needs a financial degree if they want to know more about their club than just watching 11 of their men on a pitch kicking a ball.

Football is changing again, it's inevitable and I hate maths. Lol

Rant over...

They already are, Liverpool, West ham and others have signed players to 5 and 6 year contracts, strangely that wasn't a problem to their fans and the media, it's only when we do it it's brought up.

3 hours ago, dkw said:

Stop with the ridiculous hyperbole.

I must have told you a million times, it's not hyperbole

3 hours ago, dkw said:

They already are, Liverpool, West ham and others have signed players to 5 and 6 year contracts, strangely that wasn't a problem to their fans and the media, it's only when we do it it's brought up.

It's a problem for us though.

Our amortisation cost per year is over £200m. .

I wouldn't care about it at all if it wasn't for the fact that we have regressed on the playing side while spending record amounts .

And you know who is to blame for the fiasco? 

The owners.

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13 hours ago, Simplymo said:

You know how ppl moan and say how Roman bought Chelsea and started to change the PL to what it is now. Money being thrown about, foreign players, etc. We'll fk it, its Chelsea, we lead, they follow.

Won't be long before every club follows our highly incentivised minimum wage system or collecting players as stock and commodities. And it won't be long before every fan needs a financial degree if they want to know more about their club than just watching 11 of their men on a pitch kicking a ball.

Football is changing again, it's inevitable and I hate maths. Lol

Rant over...

I'd like to think other clubs will follow the strategy of a team playing in the Conference League, if only to f**k them up !

On 10/09/2024 at 21:20, Boyne said:

The next CPO AGM which is due to take place this coming January could be interesting especially if there is the likelihood of a move from Stamford Bridge and how CPO shareholders will react. 

I'm planning to go so will report back in due course.

Hi Boyne, 

I've just been made aware of the Hammers " save our concessions" protest.

West Ham are doing away with the concession price for youngsters season tickets. From now on they will have to pay the adult price, up from £100 to £750.

Also they want to move existing senior concession season tickets holders out of one of the stands ( away from friends and family) and into a different stand. And stop future senior concessions.

Spurs are going to increase the price of existing senior tickets over the seasons until they are the same price as full price tickets. 

This was all back at the start of the season, so I don't know if it's been scaled back, but there's an online petition on Change.org.

I recall that although our concessions remained, the club statement said it would be under review for the future.

I've always said that with our age demographic, eventually the whole stadium will be paying half price!

Also the info around concessions said the last time the PL published the figures around average age was back in 2013 when it was said to be 41 years old average throughout the League.

Sorry for the long post, but it doesn't seem to have had much publicity that I'm aware of.

 

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Hi Boyne, 

I've just been made aware of the Hammers " save our concessions" protest.

West Ham are doing away with the concession price for youngsters season tickets. From now on they will have to pay the adult price, up from £100 to £750.

Also they want to move existing senior concession season tickets holders out of one of the stands ( away from friends and family) and into a different stand. And stop future senior concessions.

Spurs are going to increase the price of existing senior tickets over the seasons until they are the same price as full price tickets. 

This was all back at the start of the season, so I don't know if it's been scaled back, but there's an online petition on Change.org.

I recall that although our concessions remained, the club statement said it would be under review for the future.

I've always said that with our age demographic, eventually the whole stadium will be paying half price!

Also the info around concessions said the last time the PL published the figures around average age was back in 2013 when it was said to be 41 years old average throughout the League.

Sorry for the long post, but it doesn't seem to have had much publicity that I'm aware of.

 

@The Rising Sun There's a West Ham season ticket holder- and he's supported them for over fifty years - who drinks in my local pub. When I see him next I'll ask him about it. He must pay the OAP rate and sits with younger members of his family so splitting them up won't go down well. That's a hell of a hike in prices for youngsters. Remember when once a youngster turned 14 they had to pay full rate at Chelsea. I think it was about 10 years ago when the club changed the rules so that youngsters paid the full rate when they turned 20. A friend of mine was happy as it meant her son paid the cheaper rate for a few more years. As you said, with our age demographic half the stadium will pay the concessionary rate. Four of the people I go to the games with pay the over 65 rate and a couple of us others including me will join them in a couple of seasons time. I wonder if the club will change the rules so you have to wait until you're bit older to pay the "old gits" rate. A bit like the age for paying out the state pension keeps going up!

I'll have a look at the Chelsea Supporters Trust website to see if there is anything on there about concessionary rates.

19 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Hi Boyne, 

I've just been made aware of the Hammers " save our concessions" protest.

West Ham are doing away with the concession price for youngsters season tickets. From now on they will have to pay the adult price, up from £100 to £750.

Also they want to move existing senior concession season tickets holders out of one of the stands ( away from friends and family) and into a different stand. And stop future senior concessions.

Spurs are going to increase the price of existing senior tickets over the seasons until they are the same price as full price tickets. 

This was all back at the start of the season, so I don't know if it's been scaled back, but there's an online petition on Change.org.

I recall that although our concessions remained, the club statement said it would be under review for the future.

I've always said that with our age demographic, eventually the whole stadium will be paying half price!

Also the info around concessions said the last time the PL published the figures around average age was back in 2013 when it was said to be 41 years old average throughout the League.

Sorry for the long post, but it doesn't seem to have had much publicity that I'm aware of.

 

EDIT...,,,(below)

Looks like the protests are still ongoing..

(From the 'hammers united" site.)

 

At this weekend’s London derby between Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham United, fans of both clubs will put aside local rivalries by coming together to protest at the removal and reduction of concessionary tickets at both clubs.

 

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West Ham Fans’ Petition Hits 20,000

Wednesday 9 October 2024 2 min read

We are pleased to report that the petition, which was launched by West Ham Fans, reached a significant milestone today when the 20,000th person signed their name in support of the campaign against the Club’s inflation busting ticket price rises and withdrawal of concessions.

 

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Ipswich fans join our Save our Concessions Campaign – Balloons Available

Thursday 3 October 2024 < 1 min read

We have had a couple of really constructive meetings with Ipswich Fans Supporting Foodbanks and they will be joining us on Saturday in a show of solidarity in our campaign against inflation busting ticket prices and attacks on concessions

 

 

Join Now

 

Joint Protest this Saturday at Tottenham

West Ham Fans’ Petition Hits 20,000

 

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Slightly off subject but there is a lot of debate among rugby union fans about Twickenham stadium changing its name to the Allianz stadium. Most fans aren't happy. It will be interesting to gauge the reaction if Stamford Bridge is renamed in "honour" of a sponsor. If we do move would the name Stamford Bridge be carried over? I guess it depends where we move to. 

They are slowly decreasing tickets available for standard members, with supporters clubs receiving less than 50% of the tickets asked for, and with tickets for members selling out faster than ever before (the tickets for the Villa game went in 30 minutes, something i haven’t seen in years). Immediately after you’ve got a whole lot of tickets ranging from £180 to £2000, which have increased in proportion. The next step will be to increase the price for concessions to try and reduce the number of season tickets so they can increase the tourist revenue. 

3 minutes ago, RMH said:

They are slowly decreasing tickets available for standard members, with supporters clubs receiving less than 50% of the tickets asked for, and with tickets for members selling out faster than ever before (the tickets for the Villa game went in 30 minutes, something i haven’t seen in years). Immediately after you’ve got a whole lot of tickets ranging from £180 to £2000, which have increased in proportion. The next step will be to increase the price for concessions to try and reduce the number of season tickets so they can increase the tourist revenue. 

Didn't know that about supporters clubs receiving fewer tickets. I'm not sure but I think the club has 25, 000 ST holders. Given that money is tight at the moment for some people increasing the prices for concessions could put people off renewing their STs. I go to the games with ten others  - we're all ST holders - and we rarely spend money in the ground or shop. If five of us stopped us going to the games that could be lots of people using our old seats going to games and spending lots of money. 

38 minutes ago, RMH said:

They are slowly decreasing tickets available for standard members, with supporters clubs receiving less than 50% of the tickets asked for, and with tickets for members selling out faster than ever before (the tickets for the Villa game went in 30 minutes, something i haven’t seen in years). Immediately after you’ve got a whole lot of tickets ranging from £180 to £2000, which have increased in proportion. The next step will be to increase the price for concessions to try and reduce the number of season tickets so they can increase the tourist revenue. 

And I've read about " dynamic pricing".

All of this hits the ordinary fan and doesn't actually bring in loads of extra revenue. But I'm beginning to think it's a way of putting off the regulars and enticing the high spending tourist type fan.. ie." Customers"

 

54 minutes ago, Boyne said:

Slightly off subject but there is a lot of debate among rugby union fans about Twickenham stadium changing its name to the Allianz stadium. Most fans aren't happy. It will be interesting to gauge the reaction if Stamford Bridge is renamed in "honour" of a sponsor. If we do move would the name Stamford Bridge be carried over? I guess it depends where we move to. 

It'll always be "The Bridge" to us I reckon.

It's daft , but I actually love the name, ever since I was a schoolboy, it seemed special to me. Well, the whole place was unique wasn't it, with  those fecking blue cars for the disabled parked behind the goals,.and then after that , bloody motor cars !!

Ticket prices are out of control - not just for football, but for everything. Flights, theme parks, concerts - it’s all gone mad, and people are paying it - so they will continue to rise.

Chelsea will be able to sell a seat with a package wrapped around it (food, drink, programme) for £350-500. The seat on its own would be what - £60-£80?  It’s a no brainer for the club.

7 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

And I've read about " dynamic pricing".

All of this hits the ordinary fan and doesn't actually bring in loads of extra revenue. But I'm beginning to think it's a way of putting off the regulars and enticing the high spending tourist type fan.. ie." Customers"

 

Not sure about or not bringing in extra revenue. if they can get multiple hundreds of pounds for a ticket that would ordinarily be sold for £60-£80, then they will be quids in. Regular fans might buy a Programme and a shirt - but the holidaymaker is more likely to take a trip to the megastore, eat in the stadium, take a stadium tour the day before etc…..

There will be money men who have it all worked out - and if it wasn’t making extra money - then they wouldn’t be doing it.