Roman is paying for this stadium all by himself.

 

Has that actually been confirmed anywhere? He may contribute but I'd be surprised if he's paying the whole £500m+ himself.

Has that actually been confirmed anywhere? He may contribute but I'd be surprised if he's paying the whole £500m+ himself.

 

It doesn't need to be confirmed, Roman will bank roll it or it doesn't get built. 

Has that actually been confirmed anywhere? He may contribute but I'd be surprised if he's paying the whole £500m+ himself.

 

I was told it by one of the consultants. I asked why, when other clubs get so much help, he gave two reasons ..

 

1. The area doesn't need regeneration.

 

2. When Roman comes to the table everyone knows he's minted.

 

Compare this to Spurs and West Ham, both helped enormously by local government, central government, the Mayor and the transport authorities.

 

Our taxes are paying for their moves mate!!!!!!!

 

Now, maybe Roman will bring a partner in but I can't see why or how. He's already spent a lot more than that on trying to make us competitive, he spent £50m on Torres for f**k's sake!

 

Remember, once we have the ground, if we ever have the ground, we will generate more revenue, through naming rights and match day revenues and so on, but none of it goes back to him, it goes into the club's coffers, to help us comply with FFP and help us be self-sustainable.

 

I just can't see how we'd get out of the pickle we're in without a minted owner.

And in terms of the overall shape of the roof, compare my render to the original image CFC created. Now granted, I haven't modelled the detail such as entrances, or stairs. But this was merely an exercise to give an impression of the roof, not to make a detailed model of the building details.

You can see in the original CFC image the cage of buttresses that vary in terms of height to match the changing height of the stands. You can the also see that these buttresses continue over the very top of the external walls to the go over that stands and form the roof. If you look closely, you will notice that the apex of the buttress/roof, curves suggesting there is in fact an outer circle as I have modelled. If it were simply a trick of perspective, then all the lines would curve off into the distance too. Which they do not. The walls etc have straight lines off to their vanishing points. So clearly the roof has a circular apex. You can the see through the buttresses to see a steep change of angle from this apex dropping down to what would be the central tension ring.

If you look carefully, you will even notice the horizontal tie beams between each buttress at the apex of the roof, which forms the outer circle of the roof. And look again, and you will notice how the thicker buttresses go over this tie beam, and the thiner buttresses go under it. I really have tried to only model what I can see and have stayed away from imagining what will be there. Because I know there will be an under side to the roof which will be made up of some polycarbonate material to make it weather tight. But as I can't see it, I didn't model it.

This is the evidence I used to come up with my render.

Also, the brief description of the stadium from the architects themselves added further weight to what I created.

"...The stadium will be wrapped in a cage of slender concrete and brick columns that will rise to a zig-zagging profile, before folding over to form the roof – as if the tangle of struts in Beijing’s Bird’s Nest stadium had been straightened out and neatened up......the area between the facade and the stands will be a dramatic nave-like space, housing a series of muscular spiralling staircases, topped with a roof of flying brick buttresses."

Roof of flying brick buttresses. It seems unlikely therefore that the roof will include additional inner spokes of cables etc beyond the 'spokes' of the brick buttresses. That's how my roof design has ended up as it has.

Wonderful stuff mate. I genuinely think the club should be paying/employing you for these designs.

Your a genius Neilando, great designs.

 

Maybe its just me but those brick columns dont look like they leave much room to exit the ground, especially in an emergency. 

Thanks guys. But, they are not my designs and I take no credit for them. It's just fun trying to make a better representation of the few images and blue prints we have. The genius is those who came up with the original design.

Just so you know these pics are going viral mate

Yes I read that article and I didn't particularly like it. Maybe you can post a link as I've forgotten where it was. For me, he had a sense of entitlement that didn't sit right with me.

 

Roman is paying for this stadium all by himself. That is staggering when you consider it will probably cost nearer £1bn than £500m, all told. That is a sign of his commitment to us, and to his son, whom it seems he will leave the club to when he's old. How many clubs have built grounds since the Taylor Report? How much help have they had? They simply couldn't afford to do it all by themselves. Yes, maybe Fulham Road doesn't need regeneration and maybe we don't require greater transport links but even so, the stadium will improve the neighbourhood, the community, we will be building a walkway from the station to the ground and we will be restoring the bridge on Fulham Road to its former glory. We are going to provide a bit of architecture that has real merit and enhances the area, unlike many of the generic stadiums you see around. All out of Roman's pocket. Yes he can afford it, and in that sense we're lucky, but this will dent a massive hole in his wealth, make no bones about it. At Chelsea, we don't get CPOs to help us expand, unlike other clubs, because the area doesn't need regeneration, we haven't had any help at all with our attempts to move, in fact local government has stood in our way. If it wasn't for Roman we'd be f**ked, we'd be watching all our London rivals move or expand, with lots of help, and we'd be stuck on the same site without any chance to expand, in a ground that has fallen way behind. In an age of FFP, our rivals would grow while we'd fall behind.

 

No help from anybody in our need to move or expand. We're probably unique in that sense. Thank f**k for Roman. In many ways we've been very fortunate to have such a wealthy owner, obviously, but in terms of the stadium issue, we've been very unfortunate, until now, we hope.

 

Why do I say all this? Because if he wants 15000 corporates he can have 15000 corporates as far as I'm concerned, assuming that figure is correct. The ground is there to make money, to help make us competitive, and on average a corporate spectator pays ten times more per game than your non-corporates. That's the figure I was given at the consultation. Ten times more.

 

Right now we have precious few corporates when you compare ourselves to bigger clubs. We get about 5000 in, and the facilities, because of the lack of space, are far inferior to those offered at the Emirates, Old Trafford etc. Also, when West Ham and Tottenham move, they'll have top notch corporate facilities and lots of them. We can't afford to fall behind. Modern stadia are built with this in mind.

 

I say all this because this is where the money is. It's in our interest to get that corporate dollar. That's just the way of the modern game. You ignore the corporate dollar at your peril, sad as that may be.

 

So, right now we "only" have 5000 corporates. An expansion was always going to involve this figure dramatically increasing, to be more in line with other, bigger grounds. What did we expect? If the figure of 15000 is correct, that's a quarter of the new capacity, but that quarter helps keep the other three-quarters paying less, and we still get about 8000 more seats available for general admission, and we know from the consultation that both stands behind the goals will be corporate-free and also that the middle tiers in the East and West won't be exclusively corporate, to avoid the "ring of silence" that exists at Wembley and the Emirates for example.

 

In that article Rolls asked what would happen if demand to watch football decreased? Would we be left with loads of empty corporate seats? The answer is simple. Tickets will become cheaper. It's simple supply-and-demand economics.

 

That's just my take on it. Do we expect Roman to pay for all this, to give us an incredible stadium, to solve our massive stadium issue, and then expect him to bankroll us further by disadvantaging us when it comes to match day revenues, or to ignore the reality of FFP? No he's giving us a bigger ground, hopefully, he's keeping us at SB, hopefully, he's giving us an extra 8000 "cheap" seats, hopefully. 

 

For my money Rolls is being a bit ungrateful. It's not a perfect world. We have to accept reality. We should just be all hoping and praying this comes off.

Of course we should be grateful to Roman for all he has done

However, the upheaval etc for just 7,000 extra ordinary seats is not worth the hassle.

I actually DO care that we are rebuilding our stadium to accommodate people who are probably not real Chelsea fans, just along for the experience, which won't be very good anyway if we have a ring of empty seats around the stadium after half time.

We have got to learn from Arsenals mistake, there is no need to have so many corporate in the new stadium.

I honestly would rather we didn't rebuild.

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Edited July 11, 201511 yr by bjd

Lol my bad

Edited July 11, 201511 yr by bjd

Of course we should be grateful to Roman for all he has done

However, the upheaval etc for just 7,000 extra ordinary seats is not worth the hassle.

I actually DO care that we are rebuilding our stadium to accommodate people who are probably not real Chelsea fans, just along for the experience, which won't be very good anyway if we have a ring of empty seats around the stadium after half time.

We have got to learn from Arsenals mistake, there is no need to have so many corporate in the new stadium.

I honestly would rather we didn't rebuild.

 

I get where you're coming from but it will be worth the hassle in terms of keeping up with the Joneses.

 

How else do we compete when all around us are increasing their match day revenues?

 

We want a stage fit to host great players and a great team.

 

We'd all love it if there were no corporates but we know that's unfeasible so how many would you propose, given the club needs the money that they bring?

 

Edit: Currently we're under 5000 which is precious few compared to grounds which are being built or expanded.

Edited July 11, 201511 yr by Davey Baby

And in terms of the overall shape of the roof, compare my render to the original image CFC created. Now granted, I haven't modelled the detail such as entrances, or stairs. But this was merely an exercise to give an impression of the roof, not to make a detailed model of the building details.

You can see in the original CFC image the cage of buttresses that vary in terms of height to match the changing height of the stands. You can the also see that these buttresses continue over the very top of the external walls to the go over that stands and form the roof. If you look closely, you will notice that the apex of the buttress/roof, curves suggesting there is in fact an outer circle as I have modelled. If it were simply a trick of perspective, then all the lines would curve off into the distance too. Which they do not. The walls etc have straight lines off to their vanishing points. So clearly the roof has a circular apex. You can the see through the buttresses to see a steep change of angle from this apex dropping down to what would be the central tension ring.

If you look carefully, you will even notice the horizontal tie beams between each buttress at the apex of the roof, which forms the outer circle of the roof. And look again, and you will notice how the thicker buttresses go over this tie beam, and the thiner buttresses go under it. I really have tried to only model what I can see and have stayed away from imagining what will be there. Because I know there will be an under side to the roof which will be made up of some polycarbonate material to make it weather tight. But as I can't see it, I didn't model it.

This is the evidence I used to come up with my render.

Also, the brief description of the stadium from the architects themselves added further weight to what I created.

"...The stadium will be wrapped in a cage of slender concrete and brick columns that will rise to a zig-zagging profile, before folding over to form the roof – as if the tangle of struts in Beijing’s Bird’s Nest stadium had been straightened out and neatened up......the area between the facade and the stands will be a dramatic nave-like space, housing a series of muscular spiralling staircases, topped with a roof of flying brick buttresses."

Roof of flying brick buttresses. It seems unlikely therefore that the roof will include additional inner spokes of cables etc beyond the 'spokes' of the brick buttresses. That's how my roof design has ended up as it has.

 

Amazing work mate.

 

Edit: Do you think we will have one of those 4-way screens suspended over the centre spot? I've never been fond of that look.

Edited July 11, 201511 yr by Davey Baby

I get where you're coming from but it will be worth the hassle in terms of keeping up with the Joneses.

How else do we compete when all around us are increasing their match day revenues?

We want a stage fit to host great players and a great team.

We'd all love it if there were no corporates but we know that's unfeasible so how many would you propose, given the club needs the money that they bring?

Edit: Currently we're under 5000 which is precious few compared to grounds which are being built or expanded.

I can't put my finger on a figure , but from that excellent render it looks horribly like the Emirates design with the corporates splitting the stadium in half with a disastrous effect on atmosphere.

With ffp looking like it will not last, and the massive increase in TV revenue, do we really need to cater for the non fans ?

I am honestly not looking forward to this, the Battersea design was miles ahead of this

Edited July 11, 201511 yr by shedupper3

I can't put my finger on a figure , but from your excellent render it looks horribly like the Emirates design with the corporates splitting the stadium in half with a disastrous effect on atmosphere.

With ffp looking like it will not last, and the massive increase in TV revenue, do we really need to cater for the non fans ?

I am honestly not looking forward to this, the Battersea design was miles ahead of this

 

Wish it was my render mate, but it was Neilando's !

 

The stadium will not be split in half, I was assured of that, the consultant told me they didn't want it to be like Wembley or the Emirates in that regard.

 

Regarding Battersea, it's gone for whatever reason and many will be happy we're staying at the Bridge, but there is a lack of space so the architects had no alternative but to go for three tiers all around the ground apparently.

 

Edit: We'd all love a single-tier stand, I'm sure, but that's not an option.

Edited July 11, 201511 yr by Davey Baby

Wish it was my render mate, but it was Neilando's !

 

The stadium will not be split in half, I was assured of that, the consultant told me they didn't want it to be like Wembley or the Emirates in that regard.

 

Regarding Battersea, it's gone for whatever reason and many will be happy we're staying at the Bridge, but there is a lack of space so the architects had no alternative but to go for three tiers all around the ground apparently.

 

Edit: We'd all love a single-tier stand, I'm sure, but that's not an option.[/quote

Ha, yeah sorry. I edited my post.

I hope you are right about about the stadium not being split in half. But that thin middle tier looks like the 15,000 prawn sandwich tier to me !

Anyway, yes, its a brave decision to take, our options were limited, I was hoping for something from the Lille site up the road.

You never know, if I win the lottery I'll be more than happy in that middle tier !

Bjd: thanks. How dya mean they're going viral? That's cool! Will be great if lots of people see them so we get lots of feedback to the club. It is after all our stadium as well as Roman's. Where have the pix been shared?

Bjd: thanks. How dya mean they're going viral? That's cool! Will be great if lots of people see them so we get lots of feedback to the club. It is after all our stadium as well as Roman's. Where have the pix been shared?

Hey mate, just wanted to thank you for an astounding piece of work, truly exceptional, thanks

the Battersea design was miles ahead of this

I think this is a much better design than the Battersea proposal.

 

Also on the corporate issue even though we have Roman we should try and be self sufficient financially, so if we want to compete at the highest level and pay all those wages we need to take a lot of money on match days; either everyone pays up or we have some extremely expensive corporate areas so some seat prices can remain more reasonably priced.

Bjd: thanks. How dya mean they're going viral? That's cool! Will be great if lots of people see them so we get lots of feedback to the club. It is after all our stadium as well as Roman's. Where have the pix been shared?

Well I've seen them retweeted by a few people including the Chelsea Supporters Trust and one of the drawings was on the official site chat room the other day.

Bearing in mind the lack of any detailed drawings so far id expect these pics to be doing the rounds very quickly, even if they are mock ups.

I think this is a much better design than the Battersea proposal.

Also on the corporate issue even though we have Roman we should try and be self sufficient financially, so if we want to compete at the highest level and pay all those wages we need to take a lot of money on match days; either everyone pays up or we have some extremely expensive corporate areas so some seat prices can remain more reasonably priced.

I agree.

Battersea was a pipe dream and one that was realised too little too late and the drawings were rushed out as a bit of damage limitation PR just before the ship was going to sail.

From what we've seen so far the design looks to be unique and full of character and best of all its at Stamford Bridge. If it comes off the club will have played a blinder.

Edited July 11, 201511 yr by bjd

Bjd, wow. The official chat room? That's so cool. Do you have a link?

Bjd: thanks. How dya mean they're going viral? That's cool! Will be great if lots of people see them so we get lots of feedback to the club. It is after all our stadium as well as Roman's. Where have the pix been shared?

Its been shared on twitter mate.

 

Official Chelsea chat page..

http://shed.chelseafc.com/chat/forum_combined_classic.shtml

Edited July 11, 201511 yr by Carshalton Blue

Hi. I have attached a link to a test animation render I made of the model. It is a low res, low detailed model guys. So don't judge me on the low quality, its really just to show different angles for those of you who have asked for such.

When more detailed images are released, I will do a proper model, with details and photorealism. But it is really not worth it right now, as beyond what I have been able to model from the images CFC have released, anything more is purely guess work, and that's not what I want to achieve.

** this is a low resolution render **

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amhA...ature=youtu.be