Why are you concerned about resale ? are you on a % ? can you guarantee we will use the money to get better ?

I just don't like the way we have to sell good players to buy players who might be good, when we could sell our worst players and still buy players who might be good.

That way us fans get to see a better team of players, which will always be improved upon, no more going backwards selling talent and buying dross.

 

7 minutes ago, coco said:

Why are you concerned about resale ? are you on a % ? can you guarantee we will use the money to get better ?

I just don't like the way we have to sell good players to buy players who might be good, when we could sell our worst players and still buy players who might be good.

That way us fans get to see a better team of players, which will always be improved upon, no more going backwards selling talent and buying dross.

 

I wouldn't particularly say i'm bothered about resale but when you have two players with a very similar output of a very similar age on very similar contracts surely you sell the one that would fetch more money? Especially when Pedro seems to fit Sarri's style so well. We aren't going to upgrade that position and keep both of them so which would you sell? Pedro or Willian? 

There's more money in the kitty to help us then improve other positions (ST) then.

 

1 hour ago, enigma said:

But it's not a position which is easy to find a replacement for. Who out there is currently better than Willian for that spot? Very few top players play on the RW right now, and the ones who do already play for big clubs. 

Since we signed Willian Manchester City have signed Sterling, Sane, Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne and Mahrez. I’d take any of those over Willian and it also highlights that the players are out there if you’re willing to give them a chance and most of those players were signed for around £40m... which we spunked on both Bakayoko and Drinkwater who are already surplus to requirements. 

12 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Since we signed Willian Manchester City have signed Sterling, Sane, Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne and Mahrez.

But none of them would of been tempted to come here if city go for them. We have to accept we are not the top draw by any means nowadays, so lets compare Willian with viable options please.

Just now, coco said:

But none of them would of been tempted to come here if city go for them. We have to accept we are not the top draw by any means nowadays, so lets compare Willian with viable options please.

We hurdled City to sign Jorginho. Fred chose Utd over City. 

City aren't a magical force that gets who they want when they want. If we want someone enough we certainly have the ability to get them. 

Just now, RIP Mourinho said:

We hurdled City to sign Jorginho.

One player, that's it, that's all you have to prove your point, one player.

One battle does not win a war.

We could of tempted a player like Mahrez, we could afford him, we even have some of his mates here, we even had London to offer him, but no he chose to go north.

We were in for Stones, Everton dig in for more money, city come in, Stones is gone to city. Another battle lost.

14 minutes ago, coco said:

One player, that's it, that's all you have to prove your point, one player.

Probably one of the few players we've ever gone head to head with them for. Robinho chose City years ago, back then the tables were flipped and you could argue no one would have chose City over us. 

9 minutes ago, coco said:

We could of tempted a player like Mahrez, we could afford him, we even have some of his mates here, we even had London to offer him, but no he chose to go north.

We never made a move for Mahrez so this is just hypothesis. Who's to say he wouldn't have come to us if we'd stuck a bid in.

9 minutes ago, coco said:

We were in for Stones, Everton dig in for more money, city come in, Stones is gone to city. Another battle lost.

Stones went to City purely because they were willing to pay what Everton wanted. Its not like the player chose City over us. 

 

City wanted Kovacic apparently, where has he ended up? 

I'd put my house on the fact that City wanted Kante, just like nearly every team in England that summer. Once again came to Chelsea.

18 minutes ago, coco said:

We could of tempted a player like Mahrez, we could afford him, we even have some of his mates here, we even had London to offer him, but no he chose to go north.

There’s nothing to suggest we were in for Mahrez though. 

By all accounts we look to have handed Willian and Pedro contract extensions rather than signing someone new.

We’ve contented ourselves with Willian’s mediocrity, egotism and dissenting attitude rather than improving the right wing whilst the teams around us have looked to improve and provide quality competition for their attacking positions over the last three plus seasons. 

City had Sterling scoring 23 goals in 46 games last season (0.50) and they went out and signed Mahrez to compete with him.

We had Willian scoring 13 goals in 55 games last season ( 0.23) and we signed no competition and are offering him a new deal as well as just signed Pedro up for a new deal.

Sigh. 

I hope this is certainly an area we look at next summer. 

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Since we signed Willian Manchester City have signed Sterling, Sane, Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne and Mahrez. I’d take any of those over Willian and it also highlights that the players are out there if you’re willing to give them a chance and most of those players were signed for around £40m... which we spunked on both Bakayoko and Drinkwater who are already surplus to requirements. 

How many of those are direct competitors for Willian's right wing position, though.  Silva and Mahrez were both all over the shop at Wemberlee, Sterling looks good in a good team, I'm still not convinced about him in our system, and  De Bruyne wanders across all midfield positions.  We were discussing a RW replacement,so your premise is false!  Go stand in the corner.

15 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Since we signed Willian Manchester City have signed Sterling, Sane, Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne and Mahrez. I’d take any of those over Willian and it also highlights that the players are out there if you’re willing to give them a chance and most of those players were signed for around £40m... which we spunked on both Bakayoko and Drinkwater who are already surplus to requirements. 

They signed for City mainly because of Pep. I don't think any one of those would have wanted to play under Conte tbh. I don't think they would have fitted the system either with the tracking back they would have been required to do. Kdb may have been the exception but we let him go. 

Just now, ForeverCarefree said:

There’s nothing to suggest we were in for Mahrez though. 

By all accounts we look to have handed Willian and Pedro contract extensions rather than signing someone new.

We’ve contented ourselves with Willian’s mediocrity, egotism and dissenting attitude rather than improving the right wing whilst the teams around us have looked to improve and provide quality competition for their attacking positions over the last three plus seasons. 

If you were to believe some rumours he was at the Chelsea harbour hotel a season ago or so ago when he went Awol from Leicester, ready to sign for us. Of course those are rumours and nobody knows the truth there. 

4 minutes ago, enigma said:

Kdb may have been the exception but we let him go. 

I know, if only we kept De Bruyne and Sala.... never mind.

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6 minutes ago, enigma said:

They signed for City mainly because of Pep. I don't think any one of those would have wanted to play under Conte tbh. I don't think they would have fitted the system either with the tracking back they would have been required to do. Kdb may have been the exception but we let him go. 

Good job we don't have Conte anymore. Players will want to come play for Sarri and his style. 

52 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

City wanted Kovacic apparently,

You should work for Skysports, bet you would have plenty of inside info and keep saying things like "our sources understand" 

10 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Good job we don't have Conte anymore. Players will want to come play for Sarri and his style. 

Well yes thats a step in the right direction, now we need to show those new potential players we mean business, and that involves keeping our very best players, like Willian.

49 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

 

We’ve contented ourselves with Willian’s mediocrity, egotism and dissenting attitude

There lies the problem, you just dont like his attitude under Conte, but he's gone, no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

3 minutes ago, coco said:

You should work for Skysports, bet you would have plenty of inside info and keep saying things like "our sources understand" 

Seems you could work for Sky Sports too seeing as you know that every player would choose City over Chelsea 

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Seems you could work for Sky Sports too seeing as you know that every player would choose City over Chelsea 

Come on mate, seriously, do you think we are a bigger draw than city ? if we both went for the same 10 players, how many would we get ? be honest now, i reckon we would be lucky to get one or two, three tops, maybe that will change in the future if Sarri can make us an attractive title challenging option for the best players to consider.

2 minutes ago, coco said:

Come on mate, seriously, do you think we are a bigger draw than city ? if we both went for the same 10 players, how many would we get ? be honest now, i reckon we would be lucky to get one or two, three tops, maybe that will change in the future if Sarri can make us an attractive title challenging option for the best players to consider.

I think you have to look who they're going for. Why would a player choose to go and sit on City's bench when they can likely walk into our team? (depending on the position)

We have the financial firepower as shown with the Kepa move, we have the location, we have Sarri (if he comes good) and we have a winning pedigree. 

If we show a player we're willing to make them a serious part of the team and offer them competitive wages i don't see why we wouldn't be able to get them. 

More to the point though, why should a signing matter about City? They can't sign everyone.

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I think you have to look who they're going for. Why would a player choose to go and sit on City's bench when they can likely walk into our team? (depending on the position)

To be a champion, i said be honest, you seem to forget they are champs and will probably win it for the foreseeable future.

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

we have the location, we have Sarri (if he comes good) and we have a winning pedigree. 

Location didn't stop Tibo leaving, Sarri may not come good, our pedigree is a nice historical fact, but means nothing at the moment. 

City are winning now, champs now, probably winning the cl soon, the best manager, best wages, best quality team mates to surround yourself with.

We have a long way to go before we are going to be as attractive an option as city are now.

It doesnt matter if you agree or not, i know thats true.^

Back to the initial debate, who can we viably bring in to replace Willian, if the window was still open that is. Seeing as it closed Willian has to stay